Death Grip hysteria may end Monday with iOS 4.01 - Page 4

Originally Posted by Ochyming

I thought USA is a free country, where people do what they want!
Does this happens outside USA?

Originally Posted by str1f3

Truth is no one really knows the issue and it's conjecture (even on my part). If the software fix that's coming soon doesn't fix the issue then it is a hardware issue.

The big mistake that Apple made was to tellpeople they're holding it the wrong way.

Originally Posted by noexpectations

This just reminds me that Apple is still a relatively new cell phone manufacturer.

Originally Posted by BartBuzz

If this story is right, and I hope it is, look at all the time spent and wasted on this topic over the past two days.

At least the iPhone haters had their fun. Hopefully, the iPhone faithful will have the last laugh.

Originally Posted by freddych

I dropped by the Apple store to do a little experiment for my own benefit and to check out the iPhone 4. First:

It's beautiful. The screen looks awesome, the interface is snappy, and the camera rocks, even in the fluorescent lighting of the Apple store. Protip: it's really fun to scroll through the camera memory to see all the people who took pictures of themselves.

What I did:

I walked around to the iPhone displays (12 of them) and held each phone deliberately trying to cause the problem. I held the phone in my left hand with the seam directly in my palm. I held each phone there for about a minute, sometimes less if the issue arose faster than that. I did not make any calls, and I relied only on the meter to tell me if the reception went away.

Results:

The signal dropped to one bar on all 12 of the phones. The signal never dropped to "No Signal". Because I did not attempt to make any phone calls, I do not know if this caused the call quality to be bad or diminished at all.

I also asked some people who were beside me to hold the phone in the same way. Sure enough, they saw the bars go away as well.

Conclusions:

There definitely is an issue. Since I only tested phones from one Apple store, it could have just been that this Apple store got a bad batch. An apple employee mentioned that the problem may have been related to a certain build week. Generally, retail employees are full of crap though.

I wouldn't advise you to run back to the store and demand your money back. It is possible that a software update on Monday will fix these woes. However, it is also possible that this is a hardware problem, so if you haven't already ordered one, I'd advise you to hold off, or order one with caution.

Obviously, this wasn't a scientific test. But for me, it was enough evidence for me to hold off on ordering an iPhone 4.

Originally Posted by pteronaut

Wouldn't revert the baseband though.

[Taking Tin Foil Helmet Off]

Could it be that Apple, knowing that an unlock for iOS 4.0 is going to be released within hours of it's official public release, deliberately crippled the baseband in order to draw the unlock out and dissect it, fix the backdoor and release it with the baseband which doesn't have the drop outs, leaving the jailbreak community to wait for a new unlock to be found?

[Putting Tin Foil Helmet Back On]

Originally Posted by chillin

Originally Posted by AppleSauce007

...because so many people have bought the iPhone globally and know that it is a non-issue.
...
All I can say is that I own an iPhone 4 and I don't have the issue, I am extremely satisfied with it and everyone I know who owns one loves it.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by AppleSauce007

...because so many people have bought the iPhone globally and know that it is a non-issue.

It is still amazing to me how Apple can uniquely bring out so much passion out of people for it's products.

Everyone wants one...
Competitors are scared to death...
Bashers are grabbing a straws to find flaws...

All I can say is that I own an iPhone 4 and I don't have the issue, I am extremely satisfied with it and everyone I know who owns one loves it.

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by motrek

Apple itself admits it's an issue and that the problem can be solved by covering the antenna with plastic, i.e., a bumper case or similar.

Every other phone on the market today (including previous gen iPhones) already come with plastic "coverings" for their antennas, i.e., the actual plastic bodies of the phones.

The iPhone 4 has the dubious distinction of being the first cell phone where "some assembly is required."

Originally Posted by slocummedia

THE BUMPERS AREN'T WORKING!!!!!! How loud do I have to shout this? Read other forums... a case or the bumpers "ain't" gonna help you.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

THE BUMPERS AREN'T WORKING!!!!!! How loud do I have to shout this? Read other forums... a case or the bumpers "ain't" gonna help you.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

AppleSauce. You are an idiot. This issue is FRONT PAGE of all major newspapers and even NBC NIGhTLY NEWS took a pretty nasty swipe at Apple's little "problem." It's a big deal applesauce, catch a clue. MORON.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

THE BUMPERS AREN'T WORKING!!!!!! How loud do I have to shout this? Read other forums... a case or the bumpers "ain't" gonna help you.

Originally Posted by brucep

you don't even own an iphone ???

Originally Posted by ncee

Well it took awhile, but I final fixed my problem.

This phone works awesome now.

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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

And another thing I take offense too -- why is the title of this article saying "Death Grip Hysteria". If the problem is real, and people are affected by it, why make it seem like consumers are the ones stirring up trouble? It doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

AppleSauce. You are an idiot. This issue is FRONT PAGE of all major newspapers and even NBC NIGhTLY NEWS took a pretty nasty swipe at Apple's little "problem." It's a big deal applesauce, catch a clue. MORON.

Originally Posted by motrek

Just think about it...

There are insulating seams between the external antennas on the iPhone 4. The antennas are clearly not meant to be connected electrically, otherwise Apple wouldn't have put the seams there.

Skin conducts. It doesn't even have to be "sweaty." The only reason the iPhone's capacitive touchscreen works is because your fingers conduct electricity, and they aren't always sweaty, right?

So, by holding the phone in the most natural, obvious way, you are circumventing the insulation that Apple's engineers put between the antennas.

It's no wonder this is a problem and I don't see how any amount of software patching is going to fix it.

More interesting is why only some people experience the problem, and why others experience it intermittently. Is it possible that Apple put an insulating laminant on some of the antennas and not others? Maybe the signal drop has to do with the interaction between both antennas, e.g., it will only happen if wifi or Bluetooth is enabled/active.

It's a shame that so many people are taking the time to make YouTube videos about the problem and post on message boards, but don't seem curious enough to take a multimeter and measure the conductivity of the steel band, or try bridging the seams with different RF features enabled/disabled, etc. etc.

Originally Posted by dubiousutility

To determine whether this is just a problem with the software measurement of the signal strength, I tested the actual data throughput speed in both unheld and held states. The impact of holding the iPhone in your hand is SEVERE, cutting up/down speeds to a fraction of their unheld potential. Here are the results.



Maybe/hopefully this can be fixed in software, but it's not just about measurement in the UI, nor is it a typical issue that affects all phones.

Originally Posted by alectheking

Yeah, flawless. I dont sit here and bitch about little "issues" which are really non-issues. Mine has worked well beyond my expectations.

Originally Posted by Mandricard

A question:

This loss of signal that is happening (according to this article) has to do with the switching from one spectrum to another on ATT. It seems to be happening in England too. However, not in Germany. Do the carriers in England use the same two parts of the spectrum that ATT does?

Also-- if it is an issue of reporting signal, what does it matter if there is no signal (once one touches the phone)? One still can't make a call, correct?

Also-- while touching it is WiFi data speed affected?



Hope Springs Eternal,

Mandricard
AppleOutsider

Originally Posted by Plagen

Clearly, you don't understand it at all

1. Take a regular multimeter and measure the resistance between the sides of the gap. Guess what, it's already very small, almost a short. Apparently, the resistance of the electrical circuit is already very low, much lower than your hand.

2. No, the capacitive touch screen does not require your fingers to be conductive. Take any thin plastic film, or tape, and touch the screen through it.

You see, somehow I think that Apple engineers understand the issue just a little bit better than all the backseat drivers on this forum.

Originally Posted by MH01

Yeah but he does not need to own a dictionary to know what the word flawless means.

Originally Posted by lowededwookie

This is an interesting point because England got the 1st Gen iPhone but I don't think Germany did. That would mean that England must have something like EDGE whereas Germany and other countries that didn't receive the 1st Gen iPhone don't. As a result they would be using different frequencies.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

AppleSauce. You are an idiot. This issue is FRONT PAGE of all major newspapers and even NBC NIGhTLY NEWS took a pretty nasty swipe at Apple's little "problem." It's a big deal applesauce, catch a clue. MORON.

Originally Posted by brucep

ireland did a 40 post troll whine that rival mactrip and teckstud worst days here

yet he does even not own one
ireland does not own a OIS4 phone so when he comment'S like 8 x ok
but hijacking topic after topic to call out and say look at me i am injure

Originally Posted by AppleSauce007

My God man, this is exactly what I mean when I talk about passion for Apple products. The iPhone 4 has been front page news well before it was ever announced or released. There has always been praises and slanders, so nothing new there. The bottom line is that people are seeing, buying and using the iPhone 4 for themselves and continue to vote with their credit cards.

The indisputable fact remains that after overwhelming pre-orders of the iPhone 4, the huge waiting lines to buy the Apple product are still overflowing across malls and streets all over the world where it has been available for several days.

Evidently even the bashers are passionate as they hopelessly try to tare the bonds between Apple and their fans.

Call me what you want, but the final "Non-Issue" verdict is being passed all over the world with credit cards right now. If the world says it's a "non-Issue", it's a "non-issue". The iPhone 4 will not be redesign and it will remain the most popular smart phone in the world because it's a "non-issue".

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by lowededwookie

Chopper you're a retard. What did Daniel do to you did he run off with your girlfriend/wife?

I like Daniel's articles because unlike your drivel and most tech writers Daniel's articles have research behind them.

Oh and I take the retard comment back... they are infinitely smarter than you.

Originally Posted by ChrisDaMacMan

I'm sorry to say but to all your Americans, having a fit over the "death grip", you are all stupid.

Stop over-reacting to silly little made up problems, silly girls!

Originally Posted by Chopper

Because "Daniel" is a paid PR flack for Apple, and this is not some journalistic endeavor.

It's a pity that Apple Insider doesn't feel it's necessary to declare that its "contributors" are not impartial, but heck, this stuff generates huge numbers of clicks and gosh, it's only the traffic that makes AI viable. And more than that, if you can't work this stuff for yourself, it's really not AppleInsider's job to do it for you.

However, it's worth repeating that nothing written by Daniel Eran Dilger, Slash Lane, Prince McLean and sundry others is unbiased. It's the same well paid Apple-supported rort. And if that's what you're happiest hearing, enjoy.

But it isn't impartial, and is at the least disingenuous. I'd go so far as to say he's actually a liar if I thought that I wouldn't get banned or whatever the punishment is for criticizing the favored contributors.

Whatever, Daniel Prince John Slash is producing too many words to be other than somebody doing this for a living. About time AppleInsider came clean about this.

Originally Posted by TitanTiger

I don't suppose you have any proof of this accusation. I realize that it's par for the course to just throw out unsubstantiated bullshit on forums and call it 'fact', but I'd say more than just your opinion would be in order here. How do you know Daniel isn't simply an Apple user/expert giving his honest opinion on things?

While we're discussing pities, let's discuss the pity that people can declare things about people and make accusations and feel no need to back it up with anything of substance.

Well at least this is opinion and is stated as such.

Banned for criticizing? Nah. But if I could, I'd ban you if you couldn't produce something other than your fat mouth backing up the paid shill accusations.

As soon as you cop to ranting about things you made up in your head as if they were fact and apologize for accusing people with no proof, I'd say the onus might be on them. Until then, they owe you nothing.

Originally Posted by Chopper

It was abundantly clear that my claim was based on "Daniel's" track record as the most prolific Apple apologist/suck-up pseudo "journalist" that this forum or any other except perhaps MacDailyNews has ever witnessed. Show me one of his "articles" that isn't an attack on one of Apple's Enemies du jour, or some overly flattering pump piece that promotes Apple. You can't?

I rest my case.

What astonishes me about your attack on me is that you didn't take the time to consider whether what I wrote might be true. You simply decide it wasn't and went for it. Doesn't that make you wonder about your motives?

If you have the courage of your convictions, then you'll show me where "daniel's" opinions are stated as such. Your claim. I'm waiting.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Why should we give any credence to your wild claims, you still haven't proven you didn't or even denied that you helped Glenn Beck murder that girl.

Originally Posted by Chopper

I assume that's an attempt at humour?

Or do you have some point?

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Both, but apparently the point went right over your head.

BTW, who do you work as a paid PR hack for? Fox News?

Originally Posted by Chopper

You a Lib then?

You tell me who you work for and I'll tell you who I work for.

Readers report that Apple's tech support forums originally confirmed that a iOS 4.0.1 software fix addressing the issue would ship early next week (as early as Monday), before the comments were subsequently taken down along with all the other related discussion about the matter.