Death Grip hysteria may end Monday with iOS 4.01 - Page 5

Originally Posted by tschunde

WTF!!!?!?!?!! APPLE is worse than the "Dritte Reich" concerning information policy!
"SIEG HEIL HERR JOBS"

Originally Posted by tschunde

WTF!!!?!?!?!! APPLE is worse than the "Dritte Reich" concerning information policy!
"SIEG HEIL HERR JOBS" FUCK YOU APPLE YOU BUNCH OF ASSHOLES!
They fucked the SUPERDRIVE and the WLAN of my old MBP and instead of admitting that they made a fault they just deleted the digital traces by killing discussion threads and removing any information about the defect update files pretending that there never were fatal updates which severely fucked up the firmware of components!

CENSORSHIP is one of the worst things in the world and APPLE you SUCK!

Originally Posted by AppleSauce007

My God man, this is exactly what I mean when I talk about passion for Apple products. The iPhone 4 has been front page news well before it was ever announced or released. There has always been praises and slanders, so nothing new there. The bottom line is that people are seeing, buying and using the iPhone 4 for themselves and continue to vote with their credit cards.

The indisputable fact remains that after overwhelming pre-orders of the iPhone 4, the huge waiting lines to buy the Apple product are still overflowing across malls and streets all over the world where it has been available for several days.

Evidently even the bashers are passionate as they hopelessly try to tare the bonds between Apple and their fans.

Call me what you want, but the final "Non-Issue" verdict is being passed all over the world with credit cards right now. If the world says it's a "non-Issue", it's a "non-issue". The iPhone 4 will not be redesign and it will remain the most popular smart phone in the world because it's a "non-issue".

Time will tell.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

Well said, I totally agree. Certain people seem to be making a blogging career out of wanting Apple to have a major problem don't they? I have to think they will be very disappointed when this blows over and sales are through the roof.

Originally Posted by Chopper

It was abundantly clear that my claim was based on "Daniel's" track record as the most prolific Apple apologist/suck-up pseudo "journalist" that this forum or any other except perhaps MacDailyNews has ever witnessed. Show me one of his "articles" that isn't an attack on one of Apple's Enemies du jour, or some overly flattering pump piece that promotes Apple. You can't?

I rest my case.

What astonishes me about your attack on me is that you didn't take the time to consider whether what I wrote might be true. You simply decide it wasn't and went for it. Doesn't that make you wonder about your motives?

If you have the courage of your convictions, then you'll show me where "daniel's" opinions are stated as such. Your claim. I'm waiting.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

No, I'm curious about your association with Glenn Beck. It goes right to the heart of the matter.

Well, you admit to being a paid PR hack, and you're here trying to discredit AI. It's disingenuous of you not to come clean on your motives. It certainly looks like you have something to hide, perhaps some financial gain at stake. You really need to admit to your bias, let us know what positions you have in Apple stock or the stock of competitors. You really need to be honest here and just admit what you are up to.

Originally Posted by digitalclips

Are you sure? I truly believed and assumed he did since he almost single handedly insulted anyone with one saying it worked fine! Surely you are mistaken, he would not base all his vitriol and attacks on hearsay and media that was itself feeding of blogs ... that would be a feed-back loop of massive proportions!

Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

OK, I try to make this as cordial as possible.

1) Reception problems be they hardware or software: It's clear that a number of people are having reception issues with the iPhone. Is it hardware, is it software? We don't know. However, it's a problem nonetheless for many people. Holding the iPhone in the same mannor as any other smartphone results in dropped bars, and for others, dropped calls and loss of internet connection/speed drops.

It is not acceptable to tell a customer that "You are holding it wrong" when it is the natural way that most people would hold their smartphone -- especially when Apple's promos show people holding the phone in the exact same way.

2) People complaining about their phone not working as advertised: A customer buys a product, it doesn't work as advertised, so they go to online forums to state their case and tell people that it is not working -- that seems perfectly logical to me. However, you have people here telling them to basically "stop causing trouble" and "stop defaming Apple".

I'm sorry, if the phone is having issues, why wouldn't you try to bring attention to that fact instead of shutting up and keeping quiet? What's the point of being passive about the matter? You buy a $200 or $300 device and you can't use it properly without holding it unnaturally? That's a big problem that needs to be addressed.

I even went to the Apple Store in Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh, NC to purchase a Bumper to try to alleviate the problem, but they were out of stock. I talked to a genius there about the reception problems and he acknowledged that customers were having problems. He had no answer as to how it would be fixed and said basically "Apple hasn't told us anything yet, so we don't have anything new to tell you at this moment".

3) If iPhone 4 sales numbers are through the roof, that means that this is a "non-issues": Again, this sounds ridiculous to me. The iPhone 4 is so popular that many people would buy them despite what problems it may have. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not have any problems at all. Some people may buy an iPhone 4, discover a reception problem, then change their habits to hold the phone in a different, unnatural way. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not care one way or the other.

But one thing still remains -- if there is an underlying problem with the phone that causes reception issues, blockbuster sales numbers do not change the fact that there is indeed a problem at hand.

4) "You can't talk bad about Apple, shut up! Stop being a crybaby. All that matters are sales numbers: When I hear comments like these, I can't help but think are you guys regular customers, or PR people for Apple or Apple shareholders. What regular customer do you know of that cares how many phones or computers some company sells? Most only care that the product that they receive works. I don't understand the need for people on these forums to stick up for Apple even if a problem has been detected.

It's almost as if some people here seem to think that any negativity towards Apple is going to affect their AAPL share prices. Here's a heads up, regular consumers don't give a crap about your share prices; they care about having a device that works.

Originally Posted by anonymouse

Godwin's law validated yet again.

Originally Posted by macnyc

Hate trolls?
Stop reading g3pro comments.

Originally Posted by brucep

in a week all this will be old hat

Originally Posted by solipsism

But it's always validated after Cretin's Law, which states, "the faster and larger an online discussion grows, the probability of a civilized conversation based on the original topic approaches 0."

Originally Posted by TitanTiger

I'm not sure I'm understanding your question and I've got a vacation to get to.

Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

OK, I try to make this as cordial as possible.

1) Reception problems be they hardware or software: It's clear that a number of people are having reception issues with the iPhone. Is it hardware, is it software? We don't know. However, it's a problem nonetheless for many people. Holding the iPhone in the same mannor as any other smartphone results in dropped bars, and for others, dropped calls and loss of internet connection/speed drops.

It is not acceptable to tell a customer that "You are holding it wrong" when it is the natural way that most people would hold their smartphone -- especially when Apple's promos show people holding the phone in the exact same way.

2) People complaining about their phone not working as advertised: A customer buys a product, it doesn't work as advertised, so they go to online forums to state their case and tell people that it is not working -- that seems perfectly logical to me. However, you have people here telling them to basically "stop causing trouble" and "stop defaming Apple".

I'm sorry, if the phone is having issues, why wouldn't you try to bring attention to that fact instead of shutting up and keeping quiet? What's the point of being passive about the matter? You buy a $200 or $300 device and you can't use it properly without holding it unnaturally? That's a big problem that needs to be addressed.

I even went to the Apple Store in Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh, NC to purchase a Bumper to try to alleviate the problem, but they were out of stock. I talked to a genius there about the reception problems and he acknowledged that customers were having problems. He had no answer as to how it would be fixed and said basically "Apple hasn't told us anything yet, so we don't have anything new to tell you at this moment".

3) If iPhone 4 sales numbers are through the roof, that means that this is a "non-issues": Again, this sounds ridiculous to me. The iPhone 4 is so popular that many people would buy them despite what problems it may have. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not have any problems at all. Some people may buy an iPhone 4, discover a reception problem, then change their habits to hold the phone in a different, unnatural way. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not care one way or the other.

But one thing still remains -- if there is an underlying problem with the phone that causes reception issues, blockbuster sales numbers do not change the fact that there is indeed a problem at hand.

4) "You can't talk bad about Apple, shut up! Stop being a crybaby. All that matters are sales numbers: When I hear comments like these, I can't help but think are you guys regular customers, or PR people for Apple or Apple shareholders. What regular customer do you know of that cares how many phones or computers some company sells? Most only care that the product that they receive works. I don't understand the need for people on these forums to stick up for Apple even if a problem has been detected.

It's almost as if some people here seem to think that any negativity towards Apple is going to affect their AAPL share prices. Here's a heads up, regular consumers don't give a crap about your share prices; they care about having a device that works.

Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

A customer buys a product, it doesn't work as advertised, so they go to online forums to state their case and tell people that it is not working -- that seems perfectly logical to me. However, you have people here telling them to basically "stop causing trouble" and "stop defaming Apple".

"You can't talk bad about Apple, shut up! Stop being a crybaby."

Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

OK, I try to make this as cordial as possible.

1) Reception problems be they hardware or software: It's clear that a number of people are having reception issues with the iPhone. Is it hardware, is it software? We don't know. However, it's a problem nonetheless for many people. Holding the iPhone in the same mannor as any other smartphone results in dropped bars, and for others, dropped calls and loss of internet connection/speed drops.

It is not acceptable to tell a customer that "You are holding it wrong" when it is the natural way that most people would hold their smartphone -- especially when Apple's promos show people holding the phone in the exact same way.

2) People complaining about their phone not working as advertised: A customer buys a product, it doesn't work as advertised, so they go to online forums to state their case and tell people that it is not working -- that seems perfectly logical to me. However, you have people here telling them to basically "stop causing trouble" and "stop defaming Apple".

I'm sorry, if the phone is having issues, why wouldn't you try to bring attention to that fact instead of shutting up and keeping quiet? What's the point of being passive about the matter? You buy a $200 or $300 device and you can't use it properly without holding it unnaturally? That's a big problem that needs to be addressed.

I even went to the Apple Store in Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh, NC to purchase a Bumper to try to alleviate the problem, but they were out of stock. I talked to a genius there about the reception problems and he acknowledged that customers were having problems. He had no answer as to how it would be fixed and said basically "Apple hasn't told us anything yet, so we don't have anything new to tell you at this moment".

3) If iPhone 4 sales numbers are through the roof, that means that this is a "non-issues": Again, this sounds ridiculous to me. The iPhone 4 is so popular that many people would buy them despite what problems it may have. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not have any problems at all. Some people may buy an iPhone 4, discover a reception problem, then change their habits to hold the phone in a different, unnatural way. Some people will buy an iPhone 4 and not care one way or the other.

But one thing still remains -- if there is an underlying problem with the phone that causes reception issues, blockbuster sales numbers do not change the fact that there is indeed a problem at hand.

4) "You can't talk bad about Apple, shut up! Stop being a crybaby. All that matters are sales numbers: When I hear comments like these, I can't help but think are you guys regular customers, or PR people for Apple or Apple shareholders. What regular customer do you know of that cares how many phones or computers some company sells? Most only care that the product that they receive works. I don't understand the need for people on these forums to stick up for Apple even if a problem has been detected.

It's almost as if some people here seem to think that any negativity towards Apple is going to affect their AAPL share prices. Here's a heads up, regular consumers don't give a crap about your share prices; they care about having a device that works.

Originally Posted by geekdad

You can't just say you are holding it wrong when Steve in his keynote does the exact same thing. If this were any other company but Apple they would get a very public media bashing from everyone!

Originally Posted by solipsism

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Theories are not fact!
The only ones being called out are the ones trolling the forums making exaggerated hyperbolisms with absolute claims of worst-case-scenerio reasons, despite not owning and likely never even seeing the device in person. That is the only defense I've seen, and it has nothing to do with Apple but with defending logic and reason in the face of irrational unjustifiable assertions.

Originally Posted by island hermit

If this was any other company than Apple nobody would give a rat's ass.

Originally Posted by island hermit

Exactly.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by leesmith

I don't think the problem is the new antenna on the iPhone 4. I have a 3GS upgraded to iOS4 and I can replicate the exact same problem. I never had this happen with iPhone OS 3.x. Then again, I wasn't purposely trying to cause the problem either.

Originally Posted by tawilson

Surely it's bad management to admit to ANYTHING without taking the time properly evaluate the situation. Blindly agreeing with some random people would arguably be a sign of very poor management and decision making skills. What COMPETENT manager would back themselves into a corner without the means of walking out of that corner?

It needs to be looked at carefully, not have totally flailing around with un-coordinated responses leading to no clear message being given.

Originally Posted by geekdad

BUT my new iPhone 4 looses signal from FULL signal to SEARCHING if I hold my phone wrong!!!!!!
Give me a break!!!!! How can anyone defend that! If I HOLD it wrong! C'mon give me a break...

My iPhone 3Gs worked flawlessly no matter how I held it.

And to think I waited 4 hours in 100 degree Arizona heat to get this design flaw.

Originally Posted by RaduGrama

I hope they fix the broken bluetooth in 4.0.1 as well... Can't connect to my car any longer and it seems that there's a lot of people out there experiencing the same issue.

Originally Posted by Chopper

Glenn Beck? Perhaps that's an American thing. You should explain.

Disingenuous? Hardly. I've already outed myself as being in the business.

I'm not discrediting AI at all. AI isn't Daniel Eran Dilger and his aliases.

I am pointing out that DED isn't an unbiased source of info though. Actually, if anyone here has paid some real attention to what he says and the inflammatory language he uses to say it, it would be really obvious to them. But hey... best you look at a few of his pieces and then tell me you disagree.

So you're wrong. My motives are exactly the same as yours - I feel the desire to express my opinions on a blog. I hold no Apple stock at this time although I have had in the past. Frankly, I don't have enough spare dineros to hold much of a holding in any stocks right now. But I own a beachfront cabin on a nice bay. (OK. It's a share. I don't own the whole thing).

I posted here after lurking for some years because this time Apple has fücked up and I can't believe that there are a core of people who are defending it. Like somehow it's OK to design some crummy unApple piece of kit and pretend that it's ok. It's not.

So I add my voice to the Apple customers who want to express the view that if there's a design fault in the iP4, Apple needs to come clean and fix it. Really fix it. Not apply some bandaid.

And of course to point out that DED is as much a journalist as I am. Which is to say, not.

But you needn't believe me. I'll remind people from time to time though.

I hold no Apple stock at this time although I have had in the past. Frankly, I don't have enough spare dineros to hold much of a holding in any stocks right now.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I have seen no poster here or elsewhere defend Jobs comment.


How easy we forget. Apparently you don't remember last year and the two years before that with the iPhone reception issues. There is a long standing joke about the iPhone can do anything but make a phone call, but now you are claiming that 3GS (or 3Gs) have had no reception issues! That isn't just a claim that the previous iPhones were "flawless, but that AT&T and other carriers had no reception issues that could affect the iPhone's reception. You may want to rewrite that sentence because we both know it's not true.


You had me going there at the beginning of your post. I thought you were trying to be objective, but then moved into falsehoods about previous iPhones not have reception issues despite clear evidence (even in this forum) that they do have signal attenuation when an object blocks the signal, but then move into the same trollish absolutism that it must be a design flaw and therefore a defect of all iPhone 4s, despite no such proof, and completely discounting the possibility that it could be a manufacturing issue. Seriously, shame on you.

Originally Posted by mr O

I am confused. How come none of the reviewers - David Pogue, Walt Mossberg, … - weren't having these issues?

Untill iPhone 5 we'll have to make pinched phone calls. It's yet another way to distinguish ourselves from the "others" making grabbed phone calls.

(1) The Pinch = using your Thumb, Index and Middle Finger (very feminine & sophisticated)
(2) The Grab = using your Hand (very masculine and android)
…
(3) The Earplugs = handsfree phone calls
(4) The Bumper = if you can't help but to grab your phone (like a REAL man). Agree, Apple should give one for free, or 30$ for a six pack with different colors.

Originally Posted by solipsism

I don't recall reading a single post where someone was bashed because they detailed their own experience with a broken iPhone. There are even posters who have tested all the phones in an Apple Store and found all of them having the same issue. Despite being anecdotal, they were stated civilly and tested in a more or less scientific way that furthers the obvious fact that there are iPhone 4s with reception problems.


Again, I don't recall any civilized posters with reception problems being called "crybabies" or anything similar. If you have a problem, you return it. I certainly wouldn't put up that that issue. Knowing that there are iPhone 4s without this issue I wouldn't be satisfied with simply waiting for the SW fix rumoured for this Monday. I'd get a replacement phone, plain and simple.

Theories are not fact!
The only ones being called out are the ones trolling the forums making exaggerated hyperbolisms with absolute claims of worst-case-scenerio reasons, despite not owning and likely never even seeing the device in person. That is the only defense I've seen, and it has nothing to do with Apple but with defending logic and reason in the face of irrational unjustifiable assertions.

Originally Posted by BartBuzz

At least the iPhone haters had their fun. Hopefully, the iPhone faithful will have the last laugh.

Originally Posted by TomMcIn

Unfortunately a number of under achievers are superb whiners. If they had ever achieved anything in their life, they would be holding it up as the way to to things right. None have.

Until they solve the problem, the whiners will get their chance to demonstrate their prowess at complaining about the achievements of others.

Originally Posted by alectheking

Yeah, flawless. I dont sit here and bitch about little "issues" which are really non-issues. Mine has worked well beyond my expectations.

Originally Posted by ChrisDaMacMan

I'm sorry to say but to all your Americans, having a fit over the "death grip", you are all stupid.

Stop over-reacting to silly little made up problems, silly girls!

Originally Posted by Mazda 3s

Just in this thread. I could go dig through the other threads as well, but I'm tired and hot from running errands.

Originally Posted by slocummedia

This issue is FRONT PAGE of all major newspapers...

Originally Posted by geekdad

I am the biggest Apple supported there is. I brag about how great the Apple experience is and how they are the best products on the market. I have 2 iMacs a Macbook Pro a Macbook a iPad and 2 iPhones in my household right now.
BUT my new iPhone 4 looses signal from FULL signal to SEARCHING if I hold my phone wrong!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Park Seward

Wrong. The LA Times has no such story on the front page.

http://www.latimes.com/includes/sectionfronts/A1.pdf

Originally Posted by joe in miami

Mossberg did mention it. He also said it didn't affect the call quality: - June 20, 2010-

"Yet, in some places where the signal was relatively weak, the iPhone 4 showed no bars, or fewer bars than its predecessor. Apple says that this is a bug it plans to fix, and that it has to do with the way the bars are presented, not the actual ability to make a call. And, in fact, in nearly all of these cases, the iPhone 4 was able to place calls despite the lack of bars. However, on at least six occasions during my tests, the new iPhone was either reporting "no service" or searching for a network while the old one, held in my other hand, was showing at least a couple of bars. Neither Apple nor AT&T could explain this."

Originally Posted by justflybob

You're assuming that anyone outside of LA LA Land thinks the LA Times is a major newspaper.