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Originally Posted by shapesNforms View Post

This "review" seems like it's almost a rewritten Apple press release or a paid advertisement, than a review...Maybe if my iPhone 4 wouldn't drop calls every time I hold it "normally" in my left hand, I could deal with the fanboyism displayed in this article a little better...

AppleInsider has degenerated into nothing more than a site spewing pro Apple stories. Regardless of reality. Their hardware comparison with Android was largely fiction, yet fanbois didn't care, Daniel didn't care enough to fix his misstatements.

This site no longer has any useful news. Just made up pro Apple propaganda.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Ireland, get a grip man. Just keep your 3Gs or buy a 3Gs and wait for 4s. Or buy the iPhone 4 and try it out for a week and return it if you don't like it. You clearly don't have any friends so making phone calls should not be a big deal for you.

Thanks for the advice. I'll pass it onto my friends.
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Originally Posted by DerPlanck View Post

Tomorrow: iOS 4.01 Released, Fixes Reception Issue!

Tuesday: iPhone reception: does the patch really fix it? (400 replies from user/kind of a dick Ireland insisting the fix is a fake, though he has no phone nor applied any fix)

You're full of shit man, if there's a software fix Monday or Tuesday I'll be as pleased as the rest of us. We'll see.

I'll insist it's a fake? What the **** are you talking about? I've been a member here several years and am only negative when Apple mess up. Go back and look at my original iPhone review, it's overwhelmingly positive.

You seriously are clueless and because you're only new you don't see the whole picture. I know you think I'm like this when Apple comes out with something new, but I'm not. We have two iPads in the house and I love them. It looks like Apple messed something up, then the said there was no issue and to hold the phone another way or buy a case. None of the long time Mac users here thought that was acceptable, and a whole heap of people that registered in the last month or two, did. Get a clue dude, 'cause currently you have none.
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Originally Posted by thompr View Post

Ireland,

I know you've got a legitimate beef, and you've taken the bit in your teeth and are running with it. Power to you. I'm not fighting you.

Taking a breath for a moment...

The bumper is awesome. You should be using one even if the antenna issue weren't happening.

How Apple solves the antenna issue when there are so many potential solutions is anyone's guess. The bottom line is, though, that since they have so many avenues, they will definitely pick one and the problem will be solved.

I, too, am put off by Steve's statement that we are holding it wrong. That is a ridiculous statement to make while we await true resolution. The one thing I'm not sure of is whether he really made that statement. I've seen it attributed to him, usualy second or third hand. But I've never seen first hand attribution. Have you?

Thompson

That's a fair comment, but it's safe to say it's from Steve, 'cause it came from his e-mail address and both Endadget and Macrumors logged in to confirm, and Apple would have denied it by now.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

It was the exact thing that you did with the Magic Mouse, which you also never owned, and felt wont to bash it in every thread any time anyone ever dared mention the device.

Actually, I did own the Magic Mouse, I have been very clear on this point. The beef I have with the magic mouse is having to explain right-click to even the seasoned computer user with regards to it. "No, you have to keep your index finger up and then right click, if you touch your index finger down even lightly it will register as a left-click.

And no, I'm not SpotOn. My complaints with the iPhone 4 and Magic Mouse are legit.
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Originally Posted by mobility View Post

Give it a rest brother. We got your point. However, I still have better reception with this phone than I did with my 3GS

Yes, we know, not every iPhone 4 has the issue. Some who said did don't however have said even though the bars never changed when they touched that area a simple speedtest confirmed they have the issue. We'll see how this all pans out.
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Originally Posted by chillin View Post

1st Gen
iPhone1,1 - iPhone
iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G

the first two iPhones are considered the same hardware generation due to the hardware being very similar (effectively the same, but for upgraded radio and gps chip)

2nd Gen
iPhone2,1 - iPhone 3GS
new processor, faster, totally new hw platform

3rd Gen
iPhone3,1 - iPhone 4
new processor, totally new hw platform

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iPhone 4 is the 4th iPhone, but it is only the third generation of iPhone

They're having a field day with you over on Macrumors.
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Originally Posted by iReality85 View Post

Ireland, you're comments are like a breath of fresh air around here, most times. I totally agree. The antenna issue is indeed alarming, and despite the fact that I can't even order my white iPhone 4 yet, I may hold off even longer due to this issue. I seriously doubt this is software related. This is part of the structural design of the phone. While it may be nice to own an asthetically pleasing gadget, it is ultimately moot if the gadget can't perform the function it is meant to do. In this case, place a call and keep a signal. I too find Steve's message... how shall I say it, unbecoming? It's clear that Apple and Steve knew of the issue, just look at that photo of Steve presenting Medvedev with an iPhone 4 (the photo was posted in another front page thread)... do you see the way he's holding it? Quite a bit awkward, and he's clearly avoiding holding it on the sides. I too have my money waiting, but I need asurance that the problem will be fixed, not that I have to hold it differently. C'mon Apple.

Thanks for your support. To be fair though, we'll give Apple the benefit of the doubt, perhaps it can be fixed with software. If it can, then great. Still doesn't explain Steve's comment though. If it can't be fixed with software, and it does indeed end up effect a lot of iPhones then this is going to be a big deal for Apple, one they need to tackle head on, rather than avoiding it.

WE'LL SEE..
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Originally Posted by C21Inman View Post

I read in the users forum that turning the Airplane mode off and on would take care of the problem. I turned it off and on 3 or 4 times in a row and my bars and my reception have not diminished yet. Seemed to be the fix for me.

Are you trying to say all these people with the issue have Airplane mode on?
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

The beef I have with the magic mouse is having to explain right-click to even the seasoned computer user with regards to it. "No, you have to keep your index finger up and then right click, if you touch your index finger down even lightly it will register as a left-click.

+1
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BTW, in case y'all haven't heard it yet, (Ireland don't go bonkers just yet)...

THERE ARE NO RECEPTION ISSUES. Stay tuned. Also, there is no spoon.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/27/...ue-stay-tuned/
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+1

Hey guys, stop changing the subject and trolling
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

BTW, in case y'all haven't heard it yet, (Ireland don't go bonkers just yet)...

THERE ARE NO RECEPTION ISSUES. Stay tuned. Also, there is no spoon.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/27/...ue-stay-tuned/

We'll have to wait a week to find out what this means, perhaps sooner.
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post #294 of 338
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

I've been a member here several years and am only negative when Apple mess up.

Apple sold a gazillion Magic Mice. Virtually no one who bought one has been displeased. They did not "mess up" with the Magic Mouse. Not for investors, not for users. Yet you were definitely negative.
post #295 of 338
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My complaints with the iPhone 4 and Magic Mouse are legit.

Your complaints about the Magic Mouse are not legit according to 99.999 percent of Magic Mouse users.

Legit, in your case, is relative.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Apple sold a gazillion Magic Mice. Virtually no one who bought one has been displeased. They did not "mess up" with the Magic Mouse. Not for investors, not for users. Yet you were definitely negative.

They kind of did mess up with the Magic Mouse.

While it works well when new, it's almost impossible to clean the ball, so that after a while, it doesn't work. The first one we had took me almost an hour to clean with the proper solvent. After that one time, I gave up. The next two also lost the use of the ball, and were never cleaned, as it's just too much work, and doesn't last very long until it needs to be cleaned again. i've heard from a lot of people about this.

Sometimes Apple is too concerned with esthetics. If they put a ring around the ball so that it could be removed for cleaning, that would have solved the problem.

If it were a $10 mouse, it would have been one thing we might have been able to live with. But it wasn't.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

They kind of did mess up with the Magic Mouse.

While it works well when new, it's almost impossible to clean the ball, so that after a while, it doesn't work. The first one we had took me almost an hour to clean with the proper solvent. After that one time, I gave up. The next two also lost the use of the ball, and were never cleaned, as it's just too much work, and doesn't last very long until it needs to be cleaned again. i've heard from a lot of people about this.

Sometimes Apple is too concerned with esthetics. If they put a ring around the ball so that it could be removed for cleaning, that would have solved the problem.

If it were a $10 mouse, it would have been one thing we might have been able to live with. But it wasn't.

LOL... fail. Of course it's impossible to clean the ball.
post #298 of 338
Hurry out and buy a case to cover up that beautiful luxurious 4G so you never see it again?

Blah!

Or put another way, "It's like a beautiful old Leica Camera. With a friggin' rubber bumper!"

No thanks. Good design deserves to be seen and handled. I sent my 3GS to ColorWare because I wanted a color choice but still wanted to see the phone, not a case. What's the point of something being thin, elegant and made of great materials, if you're just going to crate it up?
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Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post

Hurry out and buy a case to cover up that beautiful luxurious 4G so you never see it again?

Blah!

Or put another way, "It's like a beautiful old Leica Camera. With a friggin' rubber bumper!"

No thanks. Good design deserves to be seen and handled. I sent my 3GS to ColorWare because I wanted a color choice but still wanted to see the phone, not a case. What's the point of something being thin, elegant and made of great materials, if you're just going to crate it up?

My daughter, wife and I bought skins for our 3G's, and will likely buy bumpers, or skins for our new 4's when we get them later this summer.

I'm not obsessive about the looks, but am concerned about the phone slipping out of my hand. I see lots of people dropping their phones and mp3 players with disastrous results.
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LOL... fail. Of course it's impossible to clean the ball.

Not the ball that needs cleaning, actually, but the rollers. It is possible to clean, if you're dextrous enough to crack the bezel off without destroying it, and willing to use adhesives. But yes, a piss-poor design. Great interface, but short-lived. Not everything Apple does is insanely great. But enough is.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

They kind of did mess up with the Magic Mouse.

While it works well when new, it's almost impossible to clean the ball...

Isn't the magic mouse the multitouch one without the ball?

I do agree that the one with the little ball can be problematic to maintain though.
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Not the ball that needs cleaning, actually, but the rollers. It is possible to clean, if you're dextrous enough to crack the bezel off without destroying it, and willing to use adhesives. But yes, a piss-poor design. Great interface, but short-lived. Not everything Apple does is insanely great. But enough is.

Since I have three unused ones here, and the subject has been revived, I may take one down to the shop and see about removing some plastic around the ball. If that can be done without otherwise damaging it, it may be a way to get the darn thing working again.

I said the ball, because without taking the entire thing apart, the only thing that you can get at with the solvent is the ball, which then carries it down inside to the rollers. Then the dirt comes up on the surface of the ball from which it can be removed. But it's a very long process. You do end up with a mouse that's still in one piece.
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Originally Posted by Bancho View Post

Isn't the magic mouse the multitouch one without the ball?

I do agree that the one with the little ball can be problematic to maintain though.

No. The ball model is the Magic Mouse.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No. The ball model is the Magic Mouse.

¿Que?
http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/
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No. The ball model is the Magic Mouse.

The ball mouse is the Mighty Mouse. I recall because it was an old favorite cartoon of mine.
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Ok. I went down to my shop. I selected a very narrow carbide cutter for one of my Dremels. The one with the foot pedal and the flex shaft.

Using the Dremel at SLOW speed, I carefully cut a very narrow amount from around the ball, holding the ball down with the thumb holding the mouse. It takes about ten minutes if you go carefully, so as to avoid nicking the ball. If you go slowly, at low speed, you're less likely to damage the ball with the cutter.

The idea is to cut just enough away so that with a small jeweler's screwdriver, you can pry the ball out of the hole. You can also use a flat screwdriver from an eyeglass repair kit, or anything narrow, flat, and thin.

This way, when you finish cleaning, the ball will "pop" back in so that you won't lose it later.

The plastic is razor thin at the edges, but gets thicker as you move away. I removed about 3/64 around the ball. Try to keep the cutter as vertical as possible.

Turn the mouse over and smack it to get the small pieces of plastic to fall out. Remove any small strings of plastic still connected to the rim of the hole with tweezers. Then smooth down the plastic burr around the top of the hole with something hard, such as the screwdriver. Also inside, where it touches the ball, so it will turn smoothly.

I then used a Q-tip with glass cleaner to clean the four TINY (I mean that!) rollers and shafts. There was quite a bit of gunk there. It took a few minutes of doing that for them to completely clean out.

Then pop the ball back in.

It Works! scrolls up and down and back and forth again. You may have to press just a tiny bit more on the ball, as the plastic helps to hold it tight to the rollers. It depends on how much plastic you've removed.

The whole thing took less than 20 minutes, but now you can pop the ball out in about 15 seconds for cleaning, and the mouse is still intact. You can feel the slight opening around the ball, but it's not a big deal.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

¿Que?
http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

Oops! We're talking about the Mighty mouse. When I read Magic mouse, it didn't compute.

Thanks for the correction.
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Originally Posted by nht View Post

The ball mouse is the Mighty Mouse. I recall because it was an old favorite cartoon of mine.

Yeah, Sol already let me know. It was a slip. I thought I read Mighty Mouse, as that's what we're talking about. Ever since my eye operations, I occasionally seem to do that. It's very annoying.
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Originally Posted by nht View Post

The ball mouse is the Mighty Mouse. I recall because it was an old favorite cartoon of mine.

OK! Just to clarify!

The Magic Mouse has no balls!

The Mighty Mouse has just 1 ball, but it has rollers!

... just trying' to help!

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Yeah, Sol already let me know. It was a slip. I thought I read Mighty Mouse, as that's what we're talking about. Ever since my eye operations, I occasionally seem to do that. It's very annoying.

Eye operations? That could explain how you might have misread what I wrote. But I'm not sure how you could have forgotten Ireland's whole hyperspaz of multiple redundant posts thrashing and ridiculing the Magic Mouse and those of us who actually like it, and not realized from context that that was what I was talking about. But also, how can your eye operations make you type the word "magic" on your keyboard instead of "mighty" in your initial response? Obviously, you had read the word "magic" correctly.
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Apple sold a gazillion Magic Mice. Virtually no one who bought one has been displeased. They did not "mess up" with the Magic Mouse. Not for investors, not for users. Yet you were definitely negative.

They didn't sell "a gazillion". 'A gazillion' isn't even a number. Your second point is bullshit.

You just want me to not be honest with my feelings about it. If you take Apple Keyboards for example: I think they are the best keyboards on the market, in terms of looks, design and for typing. I have not one bad thing to say about them. I even think they are worth the price.

Having to explain right-click to someone with the Magic Mouse, and I had had to a few times, tells you there's a design issue with it. Not to mention tracking is slow and how effective those swipe-guestures are highly dependent on your desks surface. If it's too shiny then the mouse keeps moving, and the action isn't even comfortable when it works correctly. About the only thing I like about the magic mouse is scrolling. Everyone knows Apple don't make the best mice, yet you have trouble with this. And you especially have trouble with me saying it. You say I'm: "definitely negative".

You obviously want me to be positive about something I don't like. That's just not going to happen. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt they would fix the right-click issue, where they would add some sort of intelligent pressure sensitivity mechanism under the shell so when someone legitimately decided to right-click they wouldn't be punished for not lifting their index finger. I hate to break it to you, but that's bad design. However you slice it it's a bad design. And when you have to explain that to someone, like I've had to a few times, it's not just bad design conceptually, but also in practice. I love me iMac, I love my Apple keyboard, and I love my Logitech MX Revolution.
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They didn't sell "a gazillion". 'A gazillion' isn't even a number.

:sigh: You honestly can't infer what he means by the use of the gazillion? Perhaps it's just a US phrase, but it's quite common this side of the pond.
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Eye operations? That could explain how you might have misread what I wrote. But I'm not sure how you could have forgotten Ireland's whole hyperspaz of multiple redundant posts thrashing and ridiculing the Magic Mouse and those of us who actually like it, and not realized from context that that was what I was talking about. But also, how can your eye operations make you type the word "magic" on your keyboard instead of "mighty" in your initial response? Obviously, you had read the word "magic" correctly.

It's complicated to explain that. My psych. degree was in 1974, so my explanations aren't as precise as they should be, but the eye is actually part of the brain. It's not just an organ connected to it. We were talking about the dirty ball of the Mighty Mouse. I read Magic Mouse as Mighty mouse, but when I typed it, the subliminal recognition of the word Magic is what my fingers typed.

I did say Mighty Mouse in my post explaining how I fixed it.

There's no point in belaboring it. I said I made a mistake. No, I haven't read this entire thread.
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:sigh: You honestly can't infer what he means by the use of the gazillion? Perhaps it's just a US phrase, but it's quite common this side of the pond.

Yeah. Anyway, let's get back on topic guys. I'm sick of having to defend my opinion of the Magic Mouse.
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It's complicated to explain that. My psych. degree was in 1974, so my explanations aren't as precise as they should be, but the eye is actually part of the brain. It's not just an organ connected to it. We were talking about the dirty ball of the Mighty Mouse. I read Magic Mouse as Mighty mouse, but when I typed it, the subliminal recognition of the word Magic is what my fingers typed.

I did say Mighty Mouse in my post explaining how I fixed it.

There's no point in belaboring it. I said I made a mistake. No, I haven't read this entire thread.

Understood. Sorry for the questioning attitude, I didn't mean to sound standoffish.
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Understood. Sorry for the questioning attitude, I didn't mean to sound standoffish.

It's ok.
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Since we seem to be straying OT, I thought I 'd offer up something.

Especially since @melgross, a photography expert is here.


I let my 14-year-old granddaughter play with the iPhone 4 and asked her to shoot a video.

Here's what she came up with:

http://web.me.com/dicklacara/ForWeb/IMG_0317.mov

Be patient, it's my MobileMe site.

Anyway, I know you can do this carousel effect with any camera, but it is very easy and natural with the iPhone 4.

... wish she'd gone a little slower, tho... getting dizzy(er)...

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They didn't sell "a gazillion". 'A gazillion' isn't even a number. Your second point is bullshit.

You just want me to not be honest with my feelings about it. If you take Apple Keyboards for example: I think they are the best keyboards on the market, in terms of looks, design and for typing. I have not one bad thing to say about them. I even think they are worth the price.

Having to explain right-click to someone with the Magic Mouse, and I had had to a few times, tells you there's a design issue with it. Not to mention tracking is slow and how effective those swipe-guestures are highly dependent on your desks surface. If it's too shiny then the mouse keeps moving, and the action isn't even comfortable when it works correctly. About the only thing I like about the magic mouse is scrolling. Everyone knows Apple don't make the best mice, yet you have trouble with this. And you especially have trouble with me saying it. You say I'm: "definitely negative".

You obviously want me to be positive about something I don't like. That's just not going to happen. I even gave them the benefit of the doubt they would fix the right-click issue, where they would add some sort of intelligent pressure sensitivity mechanism under the shell so when someone legitimately decided to right-click they wouldn't be punished for not lifting their index finger. I hate to break it to you, but that's bad design. However you slice it it's a bad design. And when you have to explain that to someone, like I've had to a few times, it's not just bad design conceptually, but also in practice. I love me iMac, I love my Apple keyboard, and I love my Logitech MX Revolution.

You know what I hate? Those twist-to-open ball-point pens. You know the ones... they're commonly made by premium pen manufacturers like Cross and Waterman. It really seems like I cannot write out a single sentence without the pen starting to close half way or worse. But I won't ridicule people who enjoy using them because they don't experience that problem.

That's also the first and last time I will post my opinion on that subject. I don't feel the need to troll pen forums to express my opinion.

You see, it's not about being positive about something you don't like. It's about refraining from being redundantly negative, as if your life depends on winning the argument against someone who has a differing viewpoint. This is exactly what SpotOn was doing.

You don't need to comment about the iPhone antenna issue in every thread about the iPhone, even those threads, like this one, that have nothing to do with the antenna issue. You don't need to comment about how much the Magic Mouse sucks on every thread about the Magic Mouse and in many threads that weren't even about the Magic Mouse to begin with. Yet you do. That's why you're being labeled a troll.

By the way, the twisty ball pens are not for everyone. Neither are Magic Mice. But neither of them are flawed designs. The Mighty Mouse and the puck mouse were flawed designs.
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Yeah. Anyway, let's get back on topic guys. I'm sick of having to defend my opinion of the Magic Mouse.

Woah, I don't own a Magic Mouse so I never questioned your opinion of it.
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Since we seem to be straying OT, I thought I 'd offer up something.

Especially since @melgross, a photography expert is here.


I let my 14-year-old granddaughter play with the iPhone 4 and asked her to shoot a video.

Here's what she came up with:

http://web.me.com/dicklacara/ForWeb/IMG_0317.mov

Be patient, it's my MobileMe site.

Anyway, I know you can do this carousel effect with any camera, but it is very easy and natural with the iPhone 4.

... wish she'd gone a little slower, tho... getting dizzy(er)...

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That's very good, and she's gorgeous.
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