[quote]Originally posted by FERRO:
<strong>I shed religious piousness a long time ago...
I am a humanist, thats it...</strong><hr></blockquote>
[quote]<strong>I dont believe the world will end (If it ever does) by any other means than the direct stupidity of man...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok, so war, or a biological accident or some doofus mkaing a mistake with anti-matter or such then? So there is really no way to provide a timeline for this argument, could happen tomorrow, could never happen. Ok.
this is what switched me to a humanist...
The same thing right? both are basically uncertainty...</strong><hr></blockquote>
I believe the world is round. I have never been in space to see it for myself but that is what I am taught in school, all pictures on TV show it as such, and my globe on my desk is round. However I have no direct knowledge that this is the case, I take it on faith that I am not being lied to by NASA and other organizations and that it is a fact because of this.
I also have faith that when i sit down in a chair it will hold me up. Sometimes that faith is unfounded and the chair collapses under my weight, but for the most part my faith is well placed.
That is the same type of faith that I have in God. Only I trust God much more implicitly.
[quote]<strong>I belief, faith, I think...
All these religous "believers"
seem to "know"
everything... And get really
when you question their "beliefs"... And they fight and argue with each other both verbally and physically... about what's what... And this can get really out of hand...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Many religious believers are this way. Not all. And yes there is far too much bickering in the church. This division is one main point that keeps people such as yourself from seeing the church as anything but religious factions that do not practice what they preach. This is not all churches, but it is some of the more visible ones, and it is pervasive enough that it can be found almost everywhere.
[quote]<strong>Even thou their "fiath" is based solely in uncertainty/"I belief" mentality...
Until I hear any evidence on god... the whole thing is too be held questionable...
This does not mean I am a cold hearted bast@rd... I am a very nice guy, I just believe that theories should remain theories... and be regarded as such...</strong><hr></blockquote>
All faith is there though. The evidence for God is all around you. But if you choose to not see it in that light I cannot change your mind. He is not going to appear to you tomorrow and shake your hand. (He might, but since an impure human cannot live in his presence it would be a short lived, in human form, pleasure.
Nobody says you are a cold hearted b@st@rd. Least of all me.
[quote]<strong>and a quote:
"Even of what little bit you think you do know, You dont know the half of it..." - The Arrival
Just being a human means you can never know everything... surety is an illusion...
"question everything, rule nothing out..." - Unknown</strong><hr></blockquote>
Those quotes can go both ways. I see them as pushing people to let go of their conceptions of what they think they no and to embrace the possibility (reality) that God is real and he loves them. What do you see in these quotes?
[Edited: Removed this portion... before it might have gotten me into trouble...]
Ok. I would be interested to know what was so horrible, but I can live without seeing it.
[quote]<strong>The day I became a humanist...
I went to church once when I was 20 before I had to leave for a long time... And I am a very respectfull person and give people the "benifit of the doubt"... But I could hardly keep from cracking up "out loud"... I couldnt belive people actually let this garbage thru their "reason" filters...</strong><hr></blockquote>
What garbage? What was said? If it made such a huge impression on you so as to push you away from all religion you must remember some of it. Oh, and what church was it? Just curious...
[quote]<strong>I large group of people sang some "whacked out" almost un-intelligible 2000BC song... not that well, I might add... SO many thee's and thou's its hard to understand a word that was uttered...</strong><hr></blockquote>
2000 BC? Wow, a Chrsitian song from before Christ himself. Now that is prophetic!!!
[quote]<strong>ANd then this idiot preacher started droning on-and-on about the same thing for an hour...(I am talking proffesional circular thought here people) then I guess it was "break time" and everyone got up and went over to the snack counter... after this everybody was paired up into "prayer circles"... </strong><hr></blockquote>
Since it was the same thing for an hour, what was he droning on and on about? This story goes nowhere without a little bit of facts.
This time is called fellowship. It is a time for you to get to know your fellow church member and to help them in their struggles. It is a basic tenet of the church for us to pray for one another and build one another up in Christ. The food helps you to relax and enjoy the toime and not think aobut how hungry you are and how you want to go home and eat. I see nothing here too outlandish.
[quote]<strong>This was heart breaking... And at the same time, I almost had a heart attack luaghing inside...
My stupidity alarm
was going off "left and right"...
these guys were pouring their hearts out in front on me... this was somewhat scary and unbelievably korny... it was like a football huddle... then it was just over and the open the door to let the people(sheep) out...<hr></blockquote></strong>
Heart breaking? Like when you pour out your heart to someone and he is having a heart attack laughing about it inside while his "stupidity alarm" is going off?
BTW, how do you know it just ended there? Did you make any attempt to meet with any of these people after the time of fellowship was over? I go to barbeques with my church members at their homes sometimes. We go out to movies, river rafting, etc. When something happens that causes me real distress I can talk to my pastors about it, or any church memebers and they can comfort me and sometimes even give real help (in your eyes), beyond the prayer that is always present.
[quote]<strong>And that was the day I became a humanist...
If what I saw there was indicative of the majority of what passes for the norm... we are soo screwed... as a species...
I am sorry if I have led off track here i just needed to get some stuff of my chest...</strong><hr></blockquote>
This whole post was somewhat off topic but I wanted to answer you on some things. Most of my answers were genuine curiosity. Others were merely observations. None were meant as an attack on you.