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Apple is finding an unlikely ally in its efforts to support HTML5 in preference to Adobe Flash as the platform for dynamic web content: pornographers.

According to a report by ConceivablyTech, leading adult film studio Digital Playground has announced its intentions to make the leap to HTML5, based in part upon needing to target HTML5 to reach Apple's iPhone users.

Digital Playground began offering its content to iPhone users two years ago. Because Apple has a policy of not carrying pornography in its own curated App Store, the only option available to to the studio was to use the iPhone's open, unrestricted web platform.

Adobe had failed to release a suitable version of Flash for the iPhone and other mobile platforms, so Digital Playground targeted HTML5 as its mobile delivery platform. Adobe is now nearing the official release of its Flash player for Android, but Ali Joone, the founder and director of Digital Playground, "indicated that it is rather irrelevant to him whether Android will support Flash or not," according to the report.

"Mobile browsers run HTML 5 very well," Joone said. "Flash brings everything to a crawl and has an impact on battery life. With HTML 5, there is no reason to show our content in Flash."

Digital Playground continues to use Flash to target desktop users, but Joone noted that his company plans to make the shift there, too. "We are waiting for browsers to catch up. As soon as they are ready, we will move everything to HTML 5, noting it was just a matter of time until Flash disappears. Its the next passing of the torch.

The power of Apple's mobile platform to shift content producers toward open standards is based on dollars. Digital Playground's founder reported, "We were surprised how loyal iPhone and especially iPad owners are. 70% of our customers are returning customers. They spend a lot of money.

Joone added that people like to watch adult content on mobile devices for the sense of personal space. First there was the TV. Then there was the PC, which is now shared by the entire family and its not personal anymore. The phone is very personal to us, which is why our content works on this platform.
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I guess it's good to see everyone up for the change.

I don't see why this would be a surprise to anyone - I would assume they have lots of paying customers and they, like the FCC, want equal access for everyone! Lol
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They did made the VHS win over Beta back in the 80's
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I know a lot of people here feel that 'adult content' is dirty stuff and like to point out they don't watch it. I think that's not the point in a free society and despite being a big Apple fan I do not approve their policy on policing the App store content, so I wellcome this news.
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They also tipped the war of Blu ray vs HDDVD.
This is very good news for supporters of HTML5 over flash
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Originally Posted by MacApfel View Post

I know a lot of people here feel that 'adult content' is dirty stuff and like to point out they don't watch it. I think that's not the point in a free society and despite being a big Apple fan I do not approve their policy on policing the App store content, so I wellcome this news.

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.
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Oh, how ironic.
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Lawd, I cant WAIT!
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They also tipped the war of Blu ray vs HDDVD.
This is very good news for supporters of HTML5 over flash

Actually, the porn industry was very supportive of HDDVD.
For this reason many people thought that HDDVD would win the format war especially since the porn industry tipped the balance in the format war between DVD and DIVX (not to be confused with 'DivX').
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I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed.

Policing the app store for apps that are potentially harmful from a security standpoint I agree with. I also agree with weeding out apps that are poorly coded/crash/cause memory leaks since they ruin the user experience. Avoiding identity theft/personal information compromise issues should be tantamount.

Subjective policing is not the best idea however. I'd prefer to see better categorization and controls that each user (or company if the computer/device being used is company provisioned) can specify based on their own needs/standards.

On a positive note, this shows that if a company wants their content to be available to the widest audience, they'll find a way to make it happen. In this case, it's a win of sorts for HTML5.
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post #11 of 140
Not sure why this is news... There is already iPhone and even iPad optimized porn on the net.
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Good. Flash is reaching the end of it's useful life. Adobe will do everything possible to keep Flash on life support for years to come, but, I think we are finally seeing the beginning of the end of Flash. And I say good riddance to the buggy, bloated, expensive software.
post #13 of 140
Okay, now there is a compelling reason to buy an iPad.

Stoya will look awesome on Apple's media tablet!
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.

You do have a point and for the real pornography I can agree with you. However, e.g. in Germany regular newspaper have to make changes so that they get their app approved by Apple. This is too much. Newspapers call this 'they have to make the Iran version for the App store.' The whole problem is that when Apple started this kind of policing they are the ones drawing the line - something that - in case of newspapers - is the job of the government/society.
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And AT&T thinks data usage is up now? If millions of iPad and iPhone users can get porn on their devices via HTML5, well... let's just say I'm glad I'm grandfathered into the unlimited data plan.
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I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

The problem is that in a global environment standards differ widely from country to country and even region to region. Apple has already received lots of negative press for banning a comic book version of Ulysses since it portrayed nudity. They finally re-instated it after getting bashed over the decision. This reminds me of a rather embarrassing gaffe that AOL made a dozen or so years ago when they were still a wildly popular on-line service. They had a reputation for blocking anything even slightly risque in order to maintain their service as family friendly, so one day they went and blocked all use of the word "breast". The only problem is they forgot that they hosted an entire forum devoted to survivors of breast cancer. They got a TON of bad publicity over it, including articles quoting women who said they now had to refer to themselves as survivors of "hooter cancer" if they didn't want their posts rejected by AOL.

Here's a link to an article about it: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-12-...member-profile

I also have a First Aid app on my iPhone that I bought from the App Store. It provides a nice database of helpful information in the event of an emergency, like how to respond properly to choking, various types of injuries, etc. Given Apple's past behavior it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to ban this app if it was updated to include information on breast cancer and how to perform a breast self-exam.

Apple shouldn't be playing censor, especially since there's no clear direction from them as to how they make their decisions. They should simply implement parental controls in the App Store and leave it up to parents to police their kids. You can already get porn on your iPhone by uploading videos through iTunes or simply using Safari, and as this article points out HTML5 is just going to make it more prevalent. So there's absolutely no reason they should be acting as an unwanted censor.
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oop, the porn industry goes with HTML5. that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin!

gee, now parents will have to wonder what junior could be doing with his ipad underneath his blanket. hey, no need for a flash light, and the pictures move too! how cool is that?

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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.

I couldn't agree with more
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.

I think the suitability of Apples approach is dependent on the ability to set restrictions on iOS as to which websites can be viewed. There seems to be little point in not allowing porn in the app store (at least, little point on protecting kids grounds, though I accept there are other reasons Apple may not want porn there), if kids with iPads can then goto whichever website they like.

I'd welcome input from others here - I have no idea how parental restrictions work on the iPad, given no kids have cause to use mine, so whilst I'll look tonight to satisfy my curiosity, I wonder if others have found iOS helpful in this area.
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Great, now we can finally mark the beginning of the end for Flash.
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I know a lot of people here feel that 'adult content' is dirty stuff and like to point out they don't watch it. I think that's not the point in a free society and despite being a big Apple fan I do not approve their policy on policing the App store content, so I wellcome this news.

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post #22 of 140
Here they come, trying to ram html5 down our throats, as well as other download inputs.
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I love all the creative euphemisms!
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Originally Posted by iLoveStuff View Post

Here they come, trying to ram html5 down our throats, as well as other download inputs.

The porn industry is known for ramming things down throats.
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.

You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.


So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.

With 3 grandchildren (10, 11, 14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.

Say that a Parent wanted to set some global parental-control settings for a device with separate, optional passwords for each level (a high-level password would include all lower levels)

All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.

-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube

Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.

Once a password was accepted, the device would remain "qualified" at that level until the device times out or the user logs out,

That way Apple (or anyone else) need not be concerned (or responsible) for policing the user habits of the consumer.

IMO, Apple could force this to happen and everyone would benefit!

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er, ah... let's see if I have this right: You will be able to watch flashers... you just won't be able to watch them using Flash!
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er, ah... let's see if I have this right: You will be able to watch flashers... you just won't be able to watch them using Flash!

If it has anything to do with full moons/mooning - then I'll pass.
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You can get a Walled Garden app like NetFlix or StreamToMe that will provide access to R and X-rated material. Also, As you mentioned via the web with a browser.


So a parent cannot "really" prevent access to inappropriate material.

With 3 grandchildren (10, 11,14) 7 Macs, 2 iPads, 6 iPhones it would be nice if a standard existed and is enforced for this content.

I with you on this. Having seen a .xxx top level domain is now to happen, it would be nice if that was introduced along with some system (I know not what!) to get rid of all pornographic material on other domains, so that there would be an easy way for parents, grandparents etc. to ensure unsuitable content could be blocked.

The problem is the web is by design free, and whilst I'm sure a lot of the porn industry would probably be happy to find a way to stop minors viewing their content, an awful lot of people see putting porn on a site as a way to get advertising clicks.
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I think the suitability of Apples approach is dependent on the ability to set restrictions on iOS as to which websites can be viewed. There seems to be little point in not allowing porn in the app store (at least, little point on protecting kids grounds, though I accept there are other reasons Apple may not want porn there), if kids with iPads can then goto whichever website they like.

I'd welcome input from others here - I have no idea how parental restrictions work on the iPad, given no kids have cause to use mine, so whilst I'll look tonight to satisfy my curiosity, I wonder if others have found iOS helpful in this area.

Parental controls, while welcomed, is still a band-aid. It's easy to say that it's up to the parents to monitor what their kids do but the reality is that it's just one extra task that will burden them and eventually fall through the cracks over time.

Filtering on the HTTP side is a much easier method to prevent access to subjective material. It can be utilized by both residential and corporate folks.

It's always a fine-line when decided what to allow on the App store and what should be banned. For what it's worth, Apple does (IMHO) better than anyone else and parents / corporations can be relatively assured that questionable content can be prevented from being installed via the App store. HTTP can be addressed based on where the access is coming from.

In the case of porn, if someone really, really wanted to see it and those critics be damned... then they can simply load the movie(s) into their iPhone via iTunes. I think in general, this issue is moot. It's the best compromise I believe given the environment of trying to please the most folks.
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All content in an app or streamed over the Internet would include parental-guidance encoding, (possibly on a separate track) e.g.

-- G
-- PG
-- PG13
-- X
-- No Rating or encoding
-- YouTube

Then every app (including browsers) on the device would conform to the parental-guidance settings for the device.

The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.
post #31 of 140
Yes! Finally... I can't wait...

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There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.

And thank the maker for that! If it were up to Apple the whole internet would be Disneyfied. Can you imagine a world where "culture" would be what Jobs and his friends dictate? I'm not a big fan of prawn but I'm even less of a fan of censorship. It seems that Steve has a case of the Bono's; he feels he is so great that only he can decide what is good for the world.

Apple users are a lot like Singaporeans. Most are so happy with the things they have that they won't criticise anything the great leader decides for fear of losing what they have, no matter what restrictions are posed upon them.
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The Internet spans beyond the borders of the USA, and standards of content vary widely across the globe. There is content that would be PG in the US because of no nudity, but would rate an R in other countries due to depiction of violence for example. There is no way to have a global standard in technology when we lack a standard culturally.

If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.

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If you go to IMDB you often see the different ratings for different countries. These could be incorporated into the content and the device and settings could use Location Services to determ which ratings apply according to where the content is being viewed.

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Those ratings aren't just made up, the content owner has to pay the local censors office to view the content and rate it, which means restricting all videos from certain countries until someone rates them, which for most videos no one will.
post #35 of 140
Good news. But the best news is the idea all internet porn to have a .xxx suffix instead of .com. I hope it gets passed and adopted.

This will allow parents, libraries and businesses to block porn.

Don't get me wrong, I dig porn just as much as the next guy. But I wouldn't want my children exposed to it.

I do find it intrusive, time wasting to some degree and I can see why it can be addicting.

Me personally I avoid it. Just like I avoid casinos, slot machines, MacDonald's/fast food, Soft drinks/coca-cola, cigars, pipes, grass, red meat, processed food, etc.

But I don't avoid beer, bourbon or coffee, to name a few!

Cheers!
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oop, the porn industry goes with HTML5. that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin!

gee, now parents will have to wonder what junior could be doing with his ipad underneath his blanket. hey, no need for a flash light, and the pictures move too! how cool is that?


God, I love naked women!
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

I disagree. Policing the app-store is exactly what's needed. The app store should appeal to the largest percentage of users which includes adults, kids, companies, and personal users.

Porn on the website-side (HTML5) is a perfect compromise.

If you're joe-consumer on your own private internet connection, or 3G, you can pleasure yourself to your heart's content.

If the user is using a corporate network then the firewall's policy can restrict content on the HTML5 side.

Both sides - for the most part - are satisfied.

You may not like it, perhaps even I may not like it but I will gladly take Apple's walled-garden approach versus the competitions weed-lawn anytime. People have enough things on their plate to do without having to worry about what apps might be available to the younger minds.

I agree for the most part if we are talking about "porn." The trouble is Apple has banned and removed a lot of apps that couldn't remotely be described as "porn" at all.

Apple has removed all the apps it considers "too sexy" including bikini apps and all kinds of apps from other countries where what they portray is as normal and common as any other material.

Apple removed an "upskirt" app for instance when all it contained were pictures of women in skirts that you could "blow up" by touching the screen. It's hard to defend such a trivial app, but it's clearly *not* pornography at all and completely harmless. Apple also won't allow any kind of nudity even in apps that have no sexual content or purpose, (medical apps, art apps etc.), and that is just ridiculous.

When you add to that, the absolute hypocrisy of Apple letting in the Playboy app as well as hundreds of movies, songs, and TV shows with absolutely horrific content ... well it just makes no sense at all.

Apple is using a very Christian, and very American yardstick to measure for what they think is "objectionable." No one wants to see kiddy porn, but most of the rest of the world left behind America's Disney-esque concepts of what's "moral" many years ago.
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Originally Posted by Fernando View Post

Actually, the porn industry was very supportive of HDDVD.
For this reason many people thought that HDDVD would win the format war especially since the porn industry tipped the balance in the format war between DVD and DIVX (not to be confused with 'DivX').

I work in the porn industry and we always backed BluRay. We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it (HD-DVD). I am fairly certain. At least the 20+ companies I was in regular contact with were behind BR. I am a DVD author and was told to get ready to start BR authoring which has now begun. It is possible that in the very beginning before BR (that is if timeline allows it) that they were behind HD-DVD where BR had yet arrived. But I was told to get ready at the moment SONY released the first batch of PS3's

-David.
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We knew HD-DVD would lose because Microsoft was backing it

Really? I mean talk about throwing in that extra little bit of cheesiness for effect. So MS and Intel decided they liked HD DVD, and that sealed the fate of HD DVD. That's really amazing. Hey, I wonder what else we can predict when Microsoft shows interest in something. I'm all for some good ol MS bashing, but this was such a stretch it just was a facepalm moment for me when I read it.
post #40 of 140
Here to hoping this puts an end to Flash. The Flash streaming just about killed our network with the World Cup. Each user getting their own flash stream. Not able to split it or cache it. Just a nightmare waiting to happen for the next big event (9/11, MJ, World Cup 2014)...Be glad to see it out the door just as I was when the html blink tags faded into the forgotten html tag junk pile in the backyard.

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