Pornographers next to dump Flash for HTML5 - Page 2

sad sad
all those poor under age girls forced into world wide sex slavery
sad sad

I think you are projecting a little onto SJ's motivation.
I don't know if there is any evidence that he is a prude or that he is trying to control the world's content. I DO think that there is evidence that he is very concerned with managing the general public perception of his own company, however.
I believe he doesn't want porn on the App Store because there are plenty of well organized prudes in the USA who would LOVE to use Apple's high profile to make a point. I can already see the campaign now: "Do your kids have an iPod? Did you know Apple is allowing them to download porn??!?" Apple is not creating the USA's culture, but it does have to be aware of it and avoid antagonizing vocal parts of it if it wants to keep it's market as large as possible!

Apple has never (AFAIK) made a move to restrict what people can access on the web* which is open to everybody on every platform--only what people can access on their store which is tied directly to them. I don't know why this is surprising to people who think about it...

* Excepting the whole Flash issue...


Are you really saying that Apple users are afraid of Apple Inc.?

That's actually a myth.

What are the laws, in Germany, about a store's right to carry or not carry a particular item. Cause in the US, Apple as a store can pick and choose what they carry and is not required to give any reason at all. And that's in their actual stores, the itunes store, app store etc.

I would be curious to know the state of the sitch in other countries.


I would think that you would be more worried about liquid damage


They have parental controls and now require all apps to have an age rating. The trouble is that they allow the developers to set the ratings and that has blown up on them. You mentioned the Ulysses comic. Well there was another one that was banned at the same time. It was a homoerotic soft core porn comic loosely based on The Importance of Being Earnest, complete with 'correct' drawings of bare male buttocks and penises. The publisher of this app went on record saying that originally it was rated 12+ not 17+ because he felt that children need to be educated about homosexuality. He's welcome to that opinion and perhaps it is in line with his European standards. However parents that have turned on parental controls to let the 13 year old buy apps with his online allowance might feel different when Little Johnny downloads said comic unawares, even without being a family that believes that homosexuality is filthy, a sin and those that practice it are damned to hell. THAT fervor is just as bad as Big Bad Apple censoring their store.

So in the end, the only way to deal with the issue is for Apple to set the ratings. Which is again a PR nightmare when someone doesn't like that his/her app is deemed 'adult' and only available in some 'behind the curtain' store visible only to those who have filed some kind of age verification that is more than clicking yes/no. So Apple is doomed no matter what they do.

"Save the cheerleader, save the world."

"Lose the ability to show cheerleaders banging the football team, lose the platform war."

- And you can quote me on this one!

-JetLaw

Again, I don't think that it is trivial to point out that Apple is not using that "Christian/American yardstick" to distance themselves from what they find objectionable--they are using it to distance themselves from what those same Christian/Americans might find objectionable.

Apple is seen as responsible for what is on the App Store--they are not seen as responsible for what is on the Internet. Therefore, they filter their own App Store but not the Internet.

The US is their largest market. Why do people want them to prove some bogus 1st amendment point for little financial gain, but large financial risk?

Then go build your own phone and application store. No one's stopping you.

Every company has a brand and it is important for companies to strengthen the brand so it means something. Apple's brand image includes wholesomeness and, yes, American value. Why should they abandon their core values simply because of a few whiners on AI?


Yep. Flash is dead - it just doesn't know it yet.

At the time that the iPad came out, the following were all given as reasons why Flash was such a critical part of the Internet:

Disney
Farmville
Hulu
YouTube
Porn
Car dealers' web sites

Today, all of them are accessible via the iPhone WITHOUT FLASH. So much for the "you need Flash to access the Intenret" trolls.

I contend that MS' relectance to fully back HD-DVD by including it in every XBOX 360 is what sealed its fate, by allowing Blu-ray player and subsequent content adoption to outgrow HD-DVD at a rapid pace with the inclusion of every PS3. Of course, MS didn't seem to take a direct interest in either platform so perhaps, in retrospect, Toshiba should have fronted the bill for HD-DVD upgrades as standard in every 360.

ahhhhhhhhhh oooook!

The Flash SDK is a brilliant development environment, if Adobe can export to native iPhone apps, why can't they export to compliant HTML5, this would be the best of both worlds. You probably don't know this, but Flash is in all of the cool animated onscreen menus for Sony, Visio, Samsung, SlingMedia, Dell projectors and Crestron has just embraced Flash for all their Touchpanels, they are the biggest automation company in the world. So, don't believe that Flash is going away, its actually growing in other markets. Adobe has talented programmers (Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Illustrator, InDesign, Acrobat Pro, Premiere, After Effects, etc...) I wouldn't count them out of the game just yet.

Is that an iphone in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

That's exactly what they need to do and what I've been proposing for a couple years now. Adobe makes money from selling Flash Profession CSx, if they make it the best way to create multi-platform HTML5 content that will auto-fallback to Flash for the plethora of PCs that won't be supporting modern browsers for many years then they profit.

I usually watch porn at home, where I have wifi.

Not by a long shot.

A. There are still parts of HTML 5 that have not been completed
B. There is still certain things that flash does much better, like hardware acceleration
C. Flash is still used EVERYWHERE
D. HTML 5 hasnt achieved candidate stage for recommendation before W3C
E. The only people preaching up the end of Flash are fanboys who weren't even making said predictions until Steve Jobs adopted HTML 5.

HTML 5 wont really see mass adoption for many years. Thats a fact!

in the end it wasn't porn but the obscene amount of money one player offered the hold-outs that tipped the balance.

I guess you didn't get the memo but all modern mobile OSes, all modern desktop web browsers any website that wants to support a modern desktop web browser or a modern smartphone has adopted HTML5 elements awhile ago.

A. Having parts of HTML5 not being completed is irrelevant to other parts being adopted and well used. This fallacy you pose that it's an all-or-nothing that requires the entire thing to be completed before any of it gets used is simply BS.
B. When did Flash add HW acceleration? Wasn't that with the recent 10.1 and only for Windows? And yet, hasn't the HTML5 video tag has been offering direct HW acceleration for H.264 since it was included with the original(?) version of Safari for iPhone v1.0? Maybe not that long, but they certainly added it to WebKit back in 2007 which beats Flash. Even MS Silverlight beat Flash.
C. Everywhere Flash is used in a browser, HTML is used first.
D. And yet, it's already widely adopted so it doesn't really matter. You act like they are going to scrape everything and say start over.
E. The prediction of Flash falling away for more efficient options was detailed long before Jobs said anything and even before Apple's browser engine was dominating the net. Flash has its uses, but none of them deal with efficiency so this trend toward more smartphones and less dumbphones has made it much harder for Adobe to compete. Frankly, it's too little too late for Flash. Even when they have it available for more than ONE mobile OS on more than ONE phone it'll still run like crap compared to native webcode so it won't be used much, if at all, by most consumers.

Flash isn't expensive for the end users, only those who develop software with it.

I don't even find it bloated, personally.

It's just silly to keep perpetuating that it must be one or the other... Silly!

I was taking your post seriously until I got to the above point. Now I know you are just a Flash fanboy who has no clue what you're talking about.

not ironic at all, it was inevitable.

you forgot about all of the people who didn't like their web browser crashing because it was displaying an ad.

As long as the Americans remain as prudish publicly as they are today, Apple is quite right to not allow porn in the App store. Imagine the outcry of the righteous should there be a bare nipple shown there. And what about the possible fines they would have to pay.
The web is free and HTML5 is the proper solution to provide satisfaction to those who want it. Hypocrisy reigns in the good old USA.

Those vendors have NO intention of giving up their .com addresses. They are simply planning on adding the same site names with a .xxx in addition to their existing sites

Commonly, sites have used RealPlayer and WMV for full content. The WMV stuff doesn't work on the Mac as Flip4Mac doesn't support streaming. The trailers are in Flash but the streaming content hasn't been. I recently saw a switch to SilverLight, which works well on the desktop platforms but a switch to HTML 5 is best as the mobile platforms outnumber by an order of magnitude.

Now that there are around 150 million people with Macs/iPods/iPhones/iPads, it makes sense to add some support when they are likely to have more money than other customers. Digital Playground also take the smart move of allowing DRM free downloads.

Since parental controls prohibit minors from accessing inappropriate content, explain to me again WHY the app store needs to be policed? I mean, besides to calm down the uptight bible-bashing repubs?

I don't understand the surprise at the influence of the pr0n industry on technology. Porn and gambling made the Internet what it is today. Without them, the 'net would just be an obscure means for universities and government institutions to share data.

Its a little known fact that pornography drives technology.

Here are a few examples:

Fire - so you can see naked burds at night
The Wheel - get to naked burds shack quicker
Camera - Pictures of naked burds
Video - Moving pictures of naked burds
Internet - Access to pictures/videos of naked burds
iPhone - Naked burds in your hand

Excellent post, professor. I downloaded a medical app for my iPad, and it had a "naked" man and woman, and you could click on different parts for different diagnoses. Well both man and woman had no genitals. What does a little kid think if they look at this and they see that they have a hole (girls) or a worm (boys) where the models have nothing? "OMG, mommy, I have a terrible disease!". Jeez, there is nothing wrong with the human body.


Why? If your kids are pre-pubescent, porn would bore them to death and they'd look at something else. If they are post-pubescent, well, they're going to find porn somewhere. Didn't you?


And there are well organized prudes who think homosexuality is a sin, but Apple still offers domestic partners benefits, and was publicly opposed to Prop 8 in California (banning gay marriage) to the tune of donating $100,000 to it. I always thought Microsoft pandered to the majority, but that Apple would Think Different.


Why? Said comic is not going to turn Little Johnny gay. Where is the harm in that app?


Exactly. There is a way to control every argument I've heard for why Apple should police content.

It's kind of ironic, apple is fairly strict about it's apps, but with FaceTime, probably has given the porn biz a nice boost via a new medium to work with.

Also recall our glorious supreme court(paraphrase)- 'I don't know how to describe porn, but I know it when I see it'. I'll bet.

It is also good to know via the comments so far, there is no global morality, just regional. Very interesting. That is, if porn is a morality issue?

Or they final get off their asses and fix it?

I must admit, that would be a hell of a "Blow" (some pun intended) to Apple's quest to rid the world of "Flash".

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If Flash is so universal why do I need to use it in Firefox rather than Safari or Chrome for certain sites or applications?

I say screw Flash. I use a flash blocker and if I go to a new site that is Flash dependant they lose my business.

I've no issue with Apple's "walled garden" approach on iOS since they also support the wild-west of the open, standards-based web.

I have no iOS device, no smartphone.

So how do you create a web app that uploads photos to your web site from your iPhone, if Mobile Safari doesn't support it?

A web app is not just an HTML version of an App Store app. There are many things a web app can't do.

They are not equivalent.

That is a valid factor. Yes.

And to someone earlier. Yes. We did run from HD-DVD in part because MS were backing it. It was our opinion that with what we saw as recent failures MS made that we did add that to the equation and postponed our decision afterwhich siding with BLU-RAY. It wasn't a flippant decision. Quite informed. And apparently the correct one.

But do note it was an educated decision. Such as the move to all macs for video editing using FCP. As editing on a PC resulted in a nightmare thanks to Windows and poor performance in editing.

Apple doesn't have a quest to rid the world of Flash. They're perfectly content to let others have Flash on their devices.

Apple's position is quite simply that Flash doesn't work well enough to be on iDevices. If Adobe ever gets around to creating a decent version that runs well on mobile devices, Apple might well support it. Not that Adobe will ever do that, of course.

Easy! To make sure the app content conforms to the parental-controls rating.

Seriously-- one could be very comfortable with portraying sex and the human body to their children, but abhorrent to violence.

If they go to any store and buy content with a rating, they have every right to expect:

1) that the content conforms to accepted rating standards

2) that the rating is correct for a given content.

The above, is pretty easy for stick & stucco stores as they have a hard copy with the industry rating printed on the label (unless someone slips "Debbie Does Dallas" into a "Toy Story 3" case).

For electronic distribution, movies and TV shows [usually] have the industry ratings.

But, individual apps are rated by their developers and this rating needs to be policed or Apple exposes itself [sic] to all sorts of undesirable activities (lawsuits, blacklisting, boycotts, negative PR).

All that said, it is kind of funny that you can access almost any kind of content through YouTube.

I have a 10-year-old grandson who talks constantly, and loudly says (and later repeats) whatever comes into his mind (before his brain has processed it).

I would not want to be around when he tells the world of his impression of the latest Eisenbeck Beer commercial he saw on YT.

... I suppose this is more protecting society from my grandson, than vice versa!

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Do like the NYT and just create a HTML5 website for your newspaper. Problem solved and I like it better. The NYT's site is awesome on the iPad. I don't want an app for that.

I think for some things app's are a waste and people should implement a web solution. i.e. the news and magazine industry.

Apple is a company, not a country. I believe their App store policies are very similar wherever they will be stated (throughout the world). Last I checked Apple can and will do what they please as far as companies can. If you don't like the company for supporting exposed nipples on the phone, blame the company. Better yet, just don't support them by purchasing their products. Don't blame the country.

Imagine my out cry reading your post. Fines who would have to pay for what? Are you smoking bad whacky-weed or just trolling? Idiocy reigns on the forums of AppleInsider.

Why don't you go to Iran, or just about any choice of your middle eastern country and whip out your nipples or jiggly-bits (if you're a guy) and learn what "prudish" actually means compared to the good old USA.

It is their right to do so. Probably the reason you're not calling the shots. See above post.

Are all the weirdo's coming out today?

Would it be safe to call these people the New Pornographers?

And yet apps like iJiggles manage to make it into the App Store:
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewe...3D0,00.asp?p=n