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Rumors of a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone resurfaced again Tuesday, when Bloomberg reported it has been told the handset will arrive in January of 2011.

Citing two people "familiar with the plans," author Amy Thomson wrote that the largest wireless provider in the U.S. will start selling the iPhone in 2011, marking the end of exclusivity for AT&T.

"The device will be available to customers in January, according to the people, who declined to be named because the information isn't public," the report said.

The last mainstream media report on a Verizon iPhone came back in March, when The Wall Street Journal reported that Apple was working on two new phones -- one assumed to be the just-released iPhone 4, while the other was said to be a CDMA iPhone compatible with the Verizon network. That report said such phones were not scheduled to go into mass production until September, and it was "unclear" when the model would become available for sale.

Since its release in 2007, the iPhone has only been available in models compatible with UMTS-GSM networks. In the U.S., only AT&T and T-Mobile operate such networks, and AT&T has been the exclusive carrier of the iPhone stateside since it was first announced.

Earlier this month, Taiwanese industry publication DigiTimes reported that a CDMA iPhone would be assembled and begin shipping to Apple in the fourth quarter of 2010. It said that Pegatron is already producing the hardware in its plants in Shanghai, China.
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Here we go again... a bunch of analysis who have no clue. hear touch phone and CDMA and assume it is an apple product. They really want to help VZ stock
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It's deja-vu all over again
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I guess people are just going to keep predicting this, it's not as if the iPhone isn't a huge success already, baring in mind that most of the planet uses the GSM standard and international sales are starting to outpace US sales why would they make things complicated for people with different types of iPhone?

One type fits all is the Apple way.
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post #5 of 77
I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT UP

seriously, how many times are we gonna hear this? There should be an unspoken rule to never repeat this rumor, and instead wait for it to actually happen.

Oh, and I already know this thread will turn into a cdma vs gsm rant as usual lol
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I'm going to pull off an Angry Bird at the two unnamed sources.
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AI should just create a sub-forum for these articles.
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What the hell is wrong with apple insider?? STOP POSTING ON VERIZON RUMORS!! You've been pulling this crap for the last 2 years and it is terribly annoying.

Apple prides itself on simultaneous data and voice usage, something which is impossible on Verizon at the moment. Apple is NOT going on verizon any time soon, not until 2012 when the 5 year exclusivity agreement between Apple and AT&T is over.
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post #9 of 77
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

I think I speak for everyone when I say SHUT UP

seriously, how many times are we gonna hear this? There should be an unspoken rule to never repeat this rumor, and instead wait for it to actually happen.

Oh, and I already know this thread will turn into a cdma vs gsm rant as usual lol

+1

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LOL We're going to hear as long as the iPhone is popular and it's not on all carriers.

While this Bloomberg article seems strong, and I want this to happen simply because it will boost the stock tremendously, and the date of 6 month after the AT&T release seems reasonable, how many times can Verizon drop a rumour crying wolf before we simply don't care anymore?
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post #11 of 77
I think all of these sites -- AppleInsider, Macrumors, iLounge, Engadget, etc. -- need to just stop posting these rumors.

When Steve busts one out on stage, THEN I'll believe it.
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AI should just create a sub-forum for these articles.

VeriSore: Articles that make you want to scratch your eyes out?
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post #13 of 77
I am curious, if you folks hate these stories so much why do you read them?

I have no idea if this particular rumor is accurate, I will say AT&T recent actions (moving away from unlimited data, early upgrade options) suggest they won't be the exclusive iPhone carrier for long.

I am going out on a limb and say this story is probably true. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone ended up on Verizon sooner than that.

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post #14 of 77
Looks like somebody at Verizon wanted to 1) delay the max exodus to AT&T and 2) temporarily boost the stock price today. Sad that it worked.

Enough of these rumors from UNNAMED SOURCES.
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I question the timing of this story but it does fall in line with what the WSJ has said. These are two of the most respected business sites and are highly accurate. Truth is that while others can call this BS, there is still no explanation as to why AT&T made slew of customers available for an upgrade.
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Don't get mad, guys. This falls into the category of "even a broken clock is right twice a day" (or, if you will, "economists have called 10 of the last three recessions").

In the media business, it is better to predict something and be wrong, than not predict and watch it happen. It will happen some day, and lots of people will take credit for having predicted it!
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Sad thing is there will be a chunk of people with money to burn on launch day in January for AT&T (recenetly raised) ETF's....Sigh...if only some people used their money more wisely.
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Lemme know when the CDMA iPhone crops up in a bar outside of Cupertino.

-Chris
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Don't get mad, guys. This falls into the category of "even a broken clock is right twice a day" (or, if you will, "economists have called 10 of the last three recessions").

In the media business, it is better to predict something and be wrong, than not predict and watch it happen. It will happen some day, and lots of people will take credit for having predicted it!

Good one. I was going to say something like this, but you'd already said it better.
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Lol, it was just confirmed at the last Verizon Sunday meeting that they were not interested in the iPhone anymore and had no current plans of bringing it to their network. They are all about Android phones now. The CDMA Verizon phones are intended for Japan as was officially confirmed months ago... where they have CDMA Networks. Let's also not forget Sprint has CDMA also... iPhone users may want an out from AT&T, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. http://goo.gl/YA99

This topic is getting pretty old. Besides, Apple needs to fix the current iPhone before they try to spread it to other US carriers.
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Lol, it was just confirmed at the last Verizon Sunday meeting that they were not interested in the iPhone anymore and had no current plans of bringing it to their network. They are all about Android phones now. The CDMA Verizon phones are intended for Japan as was officially confirmed months ago... where they have CDMA Networks. Let's also not forget Sprint has CDMA also... iPhone users may want an out from AT&T, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. http://goo.gl/YA99

This topic is getting pretty old. Besides, Apple needs to fix the current iPhone before they try to spread it to other US carriers.

How ironic you pulled that from an article on "droid life"....of course they are going to downplay the iPhone and praise Android. Try another source loser....
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Hey AI, why don't you name your sources! What are you? The National Enquirer? you've gone downhill lately...
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This is so beyond getting old.
If they do get an iPhone great, otherwise I think it has already been said.

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There are too many things that are lining up for this not the be true.

1. WSJ and Bloomberg are usually right on with their Apple Predictions.
2. The early termination fee to 375 by AT&T
3. The early upgrade for many customer on AT&t
4. The manufacturing reports of an CDMA iPhone ramping up around November.


These are just a few, this seems very likely to me now.
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Lol, it was just confirmed at the last Verizon Sunday meeting that they were not interested in the iPhone anymore and had no current plans of bringing it to their network. They are all about Android phones now. The CDMA Verizon phones are intended for Japan as was officially confirmed months ago... where they have CDMA Networks. Let's also not forget Sprint has CDMA also... iPhone users may want an out from AT&T, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. http://goo.gl/YA99

This topic is getting pretty old. Besides, Apple needs to fix the current iPhone before they try to spread it to other US carriers.

Bullshit!!
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Sad thing is there will be a chunk of people with money to burn on launch day in January for AT&T (recenetly raised) ETF's....Sigh...if only some people used their money more wisely.

As opposed to the people who waited in line in the heat for hours only to have a phone marred by signal issues?
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Lol, it was just confirmed at the last Verizon Sunday meeting that they were not interested in the iPhone anymore and had no current plans of bringing it to their network. They are all about Android phones now. The CDMA Verizon phones are intended for Japan as was officially confirmed months ago... where they have CDMA Networks. Let's also not forget Sprint has CDMA also... iPhone users may want an out from AT&T, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. http://goo.gl/YA99

This topic is getting pretty old. Besides, Apple needs to fix the current iPhone before they try to spread it to other US carriers.

China Mobile has 500 Million GSM subscribers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTT_DoCoMo

NTT DoCoMo: 50 million subscribers.

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``DoCoMo was spun off from Nippon Telegraph and Telephone (NTT) in August 1991 to take over the mobile cellular operations. DoCoMo provides 2G (mova) PDC cellular services in 800 MHz and 1.5 GHz bands (total 34 MHz bandwidth), and 3G FOMA W-CDMA services in the 2 GHz (UMTS2100) and 800 MHz(UMTS800(Band VI)) and 1800 MHz(UMTS1800(Band IX)) bands. Its businesses also included PHS (Paldio), paging, and satellite. docomo ended PHS service on January 7, 2008.''

iPhone 4: UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)

I don't see Apple needing to make a W-CDMA model.
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There are too many things that are lining up for this not the be true.

1. WSJ and Bloomberg are usually right on with their Apple Predictions.
2. The early termination fee to 375 by AT&T
3. The early upgrade for many customer on AT&t
4. The manufacturing reports of an CDMA iPhone ramping up around November.


These are just a few, this seems very likely to me now.

The Verizon termination fee makes it a wash.

Apple is not making any CDMA models.

Even NTT DoCoMo's Indian branch is moving to GSM.
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Hey AI, why don't you name your sources! What are you? The National Enquirer? You've gone downhill lately...

Why get so upset because you can't/don't/won't even read the headline?
Their "sources" are Bloomberg.
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The Verizon termination fee makes it a wash. ...

I think his point was that AT&T's increased ETF, combined with offering early upgrades, points to a strategy to prevent churn in the eventuality of a Verizon iPhone appearing.

That Verizon has a similar ETF is irrelevant to his argument.
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I think his point was that AT&T's increased ETF, combined with offering early upgrades, points to a strategy to prevent churn in the eventuality of a Verizon iPhone appearing.

That Verizon has a similar ETF is irrelevant to his argument.

Good for him, but the argument point is a wash. If I move from one to another, I'm bound to an equivalent early termination fee.
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Will this be before or after the Beatles come to iTunes?
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No this time it really really, no really its true. Trust me. NOT.

I don't know, how long can Apple go and not get on Verizon? To me it seems like it would be worthwhile for Apple to get on Verizon sooner than later. But I'm a lowly peon so.... And Steve tends to hold a grudge or at least be very stubborn.
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post #34 of 77
There was no "mass exodus" to AT&T - 77% of the iPhone 4 buyers were upgrading from a 3G or 3GS. Verizon is still growing - and has been for the last 3 years - without the iPhone.

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Looks like somebody at Verizon wanted to 1) delay the max exodus to AT&T and 2) temporarily boost the stock price today. Sad that it worked.

Enough of these rumors from UNNAMED SOURCES.
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Will this be before or after the Beatles come to iTunes?

During.

It will be part of the sweetener for verizon customers. From what I've heard the tracks will only be available via the on phone iTunes for verizon users exclusively for 6 months.

The Jan 2009 launch of verizon/beatles is also a strategic 1, 2 punch against android and google's 4th quarter music sales launch.
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China Mobile has 500 Million GSM subscribers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTT_DoCoMo

NTT DoCoMo: 50 million subscribers.

iPhone 4: UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)

I don't see Apple needing to make a W-CDMA model.

Druble's post makes absolutely no sense and i don't the entire day to tear his apart, but your comment has some fallacies in it.

1) China Mobile is GSM for '2G' but their '3G' network is a home grown network based off of W-CDMA (what all 3G-capable iPhones use) and utilizes the same UMTS as the air interface as W-CDMA (what all 3G-capable iPhones use).

2) The number of GSM '2G' users in China is around 700 million.

3) Just to drive home this point. EVERY 3G-CAPABLE iPHONE USES W-CDMA. IT IS NOT CDMA. IT IS NOT CDMA2000.

4) NTT docomo is the largest carrier in Japan and currently doesn't have the iPhone. SoftBank is the 3rd-largest carrier in Japan and it does have the iPhone. There is a 5th Operating Band for the iPhone 4 that is used primary in Japan on NTT docomo. The iPhone saturation rate for Japanese smartphones already seems high, and it looks like it would be a better fit for Apple than T-Mobile USA's wonky '3G' spectrum so I think we should expect an announcement within 6 months.
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Hey AI, why don't you name your sources!!! What are you? The National Enquirer? You've gone downhill lately...

LOL...

Bloomberg: Apple to offer Verizon CDMA iPhone in January 2011
post #38 of 77
Since apple still has not shipped my iPhone 4 ('till July 15)
I guess I can cancel.
I can do 6 months standing on my head.
post #39 of 77
If true it helps explain why Apple/AT&T let everybody get the subsidized phone for a contract renewal for anybody that who's contract was going to expire this year. Imagine your contract expires in December, and there are numerous credible reports that iPhone is coming to Verizon in 2011, do you think you would renew for 2 more years with AT&T then?

Personally, I think iPhone would show up on T-Mobile before it does on Verizon just because of the GSM vs CDMA challenges.
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Good for him, but the argument point is a wash. If I move from one to another, I'm bound to an equivalent early termination fee.

Right, so, according to his argument, AT&T's now higher ETF, agreed to when one gets the early upgrade, makes it less likely that you will move to Verizon if they get the iPhone. In other words, it's to prevent customer loss to Verizon by making it more expensive to bail.

(And, once again, Verizon's ETF doesn't factor in because you don't pay it to move to them.)
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