Originally Posted by Chopper
I was responding to jragosta's reply to me, but anyway...
You posted to an open forum... every post is fair game!
This is not a court of law so the rules of evidence clearly don't need to meet such stringent criteria as a reasonable basis to form an opinion. Note that I don't expect everybody to agree with that opinion, nor necessarily to disagree with is. It is after all what contributing to a forum is all about. So let's agree that what you believe is no more valid than what I believe, nor any less so.
This is an open forum where people are on their own to choose what to believe and what to disbelieve.
Hopefully it is a court of common sense, where each can offer opinions, often supported by facts or citations for reference and participate in reasoned discussions/
The posters reporting the issue are by definition those with a phone that is either giving problems or is not, and they are letting us know which. That is reporting.
That's a pretty broad assumption, especial from someone who has less than days 5 experience on this forum:
Tell me how you know
that "The posters reporting the issue are by definition those with a phone" is a valid logical assumption.
Since I have no knowledge of your history, ability, biases-- I naturally treat your opinions with some skepticism-- I don't know you, yet, and I don't need to treat your unsupported options and assertion with equal weight as those who have a reasoned track record (whether I agree with it or not!).
Who are you? Why are you making [mostly] negative posts to an Apple forum? Do you have an agenda?
Back up your assertions with some substantiation, then we can have a reasoned discussion.
Those who don't have a phone are discussing the validity of the claims and reports of others and forming opinions on the basis of what they're reading, here and elsewhere.
The strawman about stories being repeated ad infinitum and counted as individual cases is clearly fallacious - I'd like to see where you get that from.
No strawman-- show me 100 unique reports-- I haven't been able to find them, just recycled cluster links.
And you demand that the evidence be quantifiable before you'll accept it. You're asking for proof. The evidence is there but you choose to reject it as unreliable. Don't confuse that with there being none.
There is no evidence, just oft repeated assertions. I believe that some people are experiencing problems-- that's expected. But, does it rise to the level of a valid issue (abnormal number of failures for this class of device)? There are no facts that support that there are-- only assertions that "many" people are experiencing the problem.
With a binary numbering system of "few" and "many", "many" has no meaning!
My observation is that AppleInsider has a core of people whose kneejerk reaction is to attack anybody who disparages Apple, deserved or otherwise. There's a paranoia about newcomers having opinions that are unsupportive of Apple, yet most of the newer posters here who have expressed their disappointment at Apple on this issue seem to be rational and measured.
That's not been the case with a significant numbers of Apple's defenders.
My observation is that are a predictable number of people with an agenda that join AI to disparage Apple-- centered around an Apple product or position announcement... prove me wrong Chronster!