Originally Posted by Trajectory
30% is a majority?
Actually per Gallup, it is at 42% which is double the percentage that will call themselves liberal.
Originally Posted by FormerLurker
The short answer is:
There used to be quite a few moderates and liberals posting here regularly, but they've all grown frustrated with the constant repetition of right-wing talking-points and the ignoring of facts contrary to said talking points. As a result, they've either stopped posting, or been banned for being reported for expressing their frustration in a non-approved manner.
This disappearing lib/mod phenomenon has been especially pronounced in the last year or so.
Another factor that seems to affect internet political discussion in general: right-wingers are more obsessed with airing and sharing their political views than most liberals or moderates. This, by the way, is also the single biggest reason for the ratings success of FOX News.
The even shorter answer to your question lies at the premise of this thread which is that liberals presume control and throw a tantrum or quit when they can't have it. Stranger still is to blame their own ACTIONS, on everyone else. Look at all the colorful euphemisms there.
They didn't express their "frustration in a non-approved manner" they went off on people and couldn't tolerate their own ban and then went off on the board mods and operators.
You go into a thread and do something like call someone a racist, wife-beating cunt and then get a ban for that, and then create multiple duplicate accounts to come back and keep doing the same thing, you end up perma-banned.
Such actions do not reflect a slip up related to frustration. They reflect malicious intent.
As for ignoring facts, they don't have the facts on their side and that has become plain enough to them now, especially with the last four years of Democratic Congressional control and last two years of Obama, and that has disillusioned a lot of them.
Here is a fact. The left has gone from "General Betray Us?" to just having the Senate confirm him 99-0 to help save OBAMA'S war in Afghanistan. Here' another fact, the group declaring they were fiscally sane and that $250 billion a year deficits were morally wrong are now having to defending trillion dollar a year deficits. They've gone from Bush can't deal with New Orleans to Obama can't deal with BP and the Gulf.
Most just can't stomach the hypocrisy of defending full reversals of said positions and wisely shut up. Who would want to defend such positions? Also the threads you posted show the group think with regard to Bush and with regard to creating caricatures. Those caricature are fully formed for them now after 8 years of Bush and they certainly have no need to question them now with the Democrats in power. They are just going to keep repeating them to themselves until Democratic loss of control snaps them out of their trance and forces them to come back to reality.
Until then they just keep repeating it. Bush/God/Guns/Gays/Palin/ID/Warmonger/Cheney/Haliburton/Iraq/White People racist/Greedy Rich etc.
Originally Posted by tonton
There's no point in arguing with a brick wall. One thing I'll say about right-wing extremists. They are definitely stubborn to the point of being impervious to reason.
Yes, and that impervious reasoning apparently is going to be either close to a majority or an actual majority this November after two years of Obama. Isn't it amazing how all the people actually living under the control of the Obama government see it differently than you do? You mentioned coming back to California soon. Let's have that beer and we can discuss how California can no longer build infrastructure aka make concrete for public works unless it can be proven carbon neutral and how their is an actual initiative on the ballot to counter-act this law.
Originally Posted by AsLan^
I would agree with that as a general rule. Most people who we might consider left wing in the US are probably center right in the rest of the world.
I mean, if there was a true left wing party single payer healthcare would have been passed through without too much fuss at all, instead we have all these people on both sides of the aisle worrying about moochers, the extra costs associated with unhealthy people, and company profits, completely ignoring the fact that every other first world nation has been able to manage single payer healthcare.
You know I'm not sure what I would call the left in the U.S. except true utopians. I've noted left wing examples through out the world they could follow and they just don't. Even the soviets were willing to exploit natural resources to help the common man. The left in the U.S. just want the common man to die and go away to save the planet. France will build nuclear reactors. The U.S. cannot. Canada will drill for oil and mine for minerals. In the U.S. we can't.
Originally Posted by Camp David
Good point... this nation is indeed center right politically and primarily Christian in religious affiliation. Obama and his far leftist atheist pals comprise the minority. Thus this forum, if expressing a conservative message from time to time, is simply reflecting the majority view.
That and the Democratic Congress and Obama have proven so completely and utterly incompetent on all levels that no one, even someone who agrees with them politically, cares to defend them any more. It may have taken Republilcans 12 years of Congressional control and 6 years of Bush to reach that point but the Democrats have gotten there in record time.