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post #201 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Read your own post again. You just said that it was fixed. Yeah, you weren't saying the same tune before. Funny how a team gets good for 1 season and all of a sudden all of New York & New Jersey are Nets fans. The Nets will get rolled by the Cheaters. Watch it for me and then tell me what you think.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> You're such an idiot. What don't you understand? I was a Nets fan before this year. I've always liked Kittles, Van Horn, Martin (last year and this year) and when Marbury was on the team I liked him. And I'll re-read my post later to see what you're talking about.
post #202 of 280
LOL! Poor, poor Woods! <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

Great game. All though it seemed to me that neither team wanted to win in the 3rd quarter. Ya, know it just came down to who wanted to win more... and who could do it. Plain and simple, bad calls aside on both sides, The Lakers made the big plays down the stretch and the kings didn't. Bibby did all he could but, that wasn't enough. The Kings just couldn't make a shot at the end. Kobe could. Shaq could. Poor Doug Christie. That guy was lucky to hit the rim in the second half. And the Kings FT %. They lost thier nerve.

One of the best series I've seen in a long time. Unfortunately, probably better than the Finals.

Don't get me wrong I like the Nets more than most and I give them 2 wins, but the Lakers win it in 6.

And now a question: (Whiny Woods will love this one )

Has there ever been a better basketball player in the NBA at age 22, than Kobe Bryant?
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post #203 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I am astounded by that well-reasoned response.

I'm starting to think that David Stern fixed this argument to make you look like an idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd be inclined to agree, you cracker.
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post #204 of 280
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Since someone is going to take the trouble to call me "thug life" in every post, I figure they are trying to say that all black people are "thugs" therefore they must be racist. So I say ok then call me thug lie, I'm going to turn it around and call you a cracker etc.

I think the only idiots are people who don't understand the NBA is fixed, especially after Game 6.
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post #205 of 280
You are not all black people, thank God. Me calling you thug life is completely on you, not on the black race.

Call me cracker all day, you won't find me giving a **** or thinking you're racist because of it.

(Sorry if I didn't get scared when you accused me of being a racist, I know that might work on a lot of people but I'm not moved so easily.)

And you still haven't addressed my questions, thug life.
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post #206 of 280
I think this makes more sense:

I think the only idiots are people who understand that the NBA is fixed, especially after Game 6!

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post #207 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by patmcfar8:
<strong>I think this makes more sense:

I think the only idiots are people who understand that the NBA is fixed, especially after Game 6!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep. Makes much more sense.
post #208 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>Since someone is going to take the trouble to call me "thug life" in every post, I figure they are trying to say that all black people are "thugs" therefore they must be racist. So I say ok then call me thug lie, I'm going to turn it around and call you a cracker etc.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, someone calls you thug life means the whole entire race is thugs.
post #209 of 280
Oi. Such venom over a dumb sport? And not even a good one!
post #210 of 280
boyoboy.... I'm in agreement... this is just plain silly . . . you two calling each other names. What's the point? its just a game . . .

I'm sure if there was a "fix" (which, realistically, there probably wasn't) it was probably a demand by the mafiosa that the refs make a certain amount of calls against the Kings or their whole families would die in terrible fires...of course that's all

now... I disagree that it is not a good sport: it is truly poetry in motion with grace under pressure... all the elegance of ballet with the plot development of the great american novel!!!
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post #211 of 280
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I'm not attacking grover, he knows I'm playin.

I don't care what anyone says about game 7 being fair not being fixed the Fakers just winning on that night. Yes it was a lot better officiating but still a lot of nonsense calls going in favor of LA (like Divac's 6th foul...that was BS). Point is, THE SERIES SHOULD'VE BEEN OVER. Come on, let's all do ourselves a favor and admit Game 6 was pure bull-ish. It's crazy not to think so.

Let's rename this thread AI Trash Talking!
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post #212 of 280
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Samaki Walker! Conspiracy!
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post #213 of 280
How was Divac's 6th foul BS?
post #214 of 280
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Wasn't a foul.
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post #215 of 280
It wasn't a foul? It looked like a foul to me.
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post #216 of 280
it looked like a foul, yes ... but it was Divac that was rammed and fouled . . . .
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post #217 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by Shanny:
<strong>It wasn't a foul? It looked like a foul to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Looked like a foul to me too.
post #218 of 280
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Yeah, it wasn't a foul on Vlade. He was the one being rammed over.
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post #219 of 280
Are we talking about the same game? Floppy Divac might as well've been a fullback on that play cuz he sure as hell knocked Kobe away from the rebound with his body. Are you sure you're not posting from some Bizzaro world where everything is opposite of what really is?
That's what I'm guessing.
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post #220 of 280
[quote]like Divac's 6th foul...that was BS<hr></blockquote>

That was a tough one. There was a foul in there, but I could see it going either way. Vlade used his body, yes, but so did Kobe with the way he dove in there.

With 5 fouls Vlade shouldn't have been doing that. Very stupid.
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post #221 of 280
Here's the wonderful thing about officiating. As a ref, you have one, real-time view of the play. You instantly blow your whistle and make the call - right or wrong, you call what you "see".

As fans, we get the live view, endless replays in slow-motion, and 5 different camera angles.

Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. But, over the course of a series the calls usually even out. Unless of course you personally don't like the outcome. Then the "winning" team obviously got ALL of the calls and there is obviously a conspiracy!

Vlade's 6th foul could have been a no-call, but even all of my die-hard Kings fan freinds (and they're everywhere in my area) laugh at the idea that it could have been a foul on Kobe.

One of these guys hates Kobe so much, he prays for him to break his leg before every game... it's scary, he closes his eyes and everything. He's not watching basketball again until next season. No Finals. Not because he thinks that there is a secret conspiricy, but because he hates the Lakers and doesn't want to watch them win another title.

It was a great series and the final outcome was determined by the team with the stronger nerve and skill to hit the shots when they counted. Not the officiating...

Unless of course (again) you didn't like the outcome, then of course it was the refs and the secret conspiricy... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #222 of 280
BTW, I used to love Vlade. When he hit the 3 pointer (for the Lakers) to beat the Bulls in the beginning of the '91 Finals, I was his biggest fan. During the past few years, unfortunately he has started to flop more than anyone else in the NBA. Ever since Rodman retired.

Sometimes Vlade throws his arms up trying to draw a foul, instead of finishing off the play. That is pathetic. Even his own coach had reprimanded him on this. If I was an NBA ref I'd never give him the benefit of the doubt. Kinda like the 'boy who cried wolf'.
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post #223 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by patmcfar8:
<strong>BTW, I used to love Vlade. When he hit the 3 pointer (for the Lakers) to beat the Bulls in the beginning of the '91 Finals, I was his biggest fan. During the past few years, unfortunately he has started to flop more than anyone else in the NBA. Ever since Rodman retired. </strong><hr></blockquote>

He was a flopper in L.A. and Chick used to ride him about it all the time. I bet it was fun for him to be able to do that again this past series. I started watching the Lakers in 1990, and so missed out on all the Showtime years and had to sit through a decade of dismal seasons -- by Laker standards of course -- before the payoff in '00. But I always thought Vlade was just a placeholder until we got a real center. Loved Eddie Jones though. And Sedale Threatt

As for the refs, well everyone out there that hates L.A. -- which is most people who don't live here -- will only see game 6, which was of course very poorly officiated. But they conveniently forget about game 5. Shaq gets 6 fouls in 32 minutes of play -- three of them very questionable -- and a total of 1 free throw in the game. Then as if that's not enough, the Lakers still win if the ball Webber knocked out of bounds at the end is actually called out of bounds on Webber. The only thing consistent is poor officiating, but an objective observer can hardly say the Lakers were handed the series.

Talk of an NBA conspiracy is suspect simply because there would be too many people involved, and someone would eventually leak the secret, totally destroying the sport. A mafia/Vegas fix may be a bit more likely, but if that was the case the refs failed to do their job. Game 5 had SAC favored by 2, and they won by 1. Game 6 had LA favored by 6 and they won by 4. So let's see if any refs turn up missing.

Of course there doesn't have to be a conspiracy for there to be motive. Anyone know if the refs are paid per-game?

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post #224 of 280
ShadyG, welcome to the fray.

Refs get a flat yearly salary. I think the Playoffs might be paid per game though.

You make excellent points. Unfortunately, they will all be lost on those who only see it the way they want to. Whatever makes their team seem better or makes them feel better about how the Lakers keep winning. Sad really...

And now that I think back, Vlade always was a bit of a flopper. I guess what I was trying to say was that he's really perfected it in the last few years. To the point where he uses flopping instead of actually playing sometimes.

You're in the same boat as me man. I loved the Lakers when I was little (the eighties), but really became a fan right at the end of the Magic era. I loved Eddie Jones... he's been ruined in Miami. Sedale Threatt... my god! I haven't thought about that guy in years. He was good. Whatever happened to him? I also liked Cedric Cebalos, Van Exel and Elden Campbell when they were the big 3 in LA.
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post #225 of 280
Yes! Cedric "Lake Havasu" Ceballos. What a chump that guy was.
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post #226 of 280
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I'm boycotting the NBA Finals. The NBA is really starting to turn into some trash. I mean who really wants to watch Wife Beater vs . LA Cheaters. Hope the Faker "fans" are happy when they cheat their way to another title. It's like bandwagon vs. bandwagon. Here you got the Faker bandwagoners who were all former bandwagon Bulls fans against all the people in NY & NJ who have suddenly become die-hard NJ Nets fans.
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post #227 of 280
I'da loved to hear you go toe to toe with Jim Healy. That would've been some grrrrrrrrrreat **** !
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post #228 of 280
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Who's that?
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post #229 of 280
"Cracker" makes me giggle.

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post #230 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by TigerWoods99:
<strong>I'm boycotting the NBA Finals. The NBA is really starting to turn into some trash. I mean who really wants to watch Wife Beater vs . LA Cheaters. Hope the Faker "fans" are happy when they cheat their way to another title. It's like bandwagon vs. bandwagon. Here you got the Faker bandwagoners who were all former bandwagon Bulls fans against all the people in NY & NJ who have suddenly become die-hard NJ Nets fans.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's nice.
post #231 of 280
All I have to say is... any so-called sport where the outcome so often depends on a ref's "interpretation" of some hair-splitting rule is not a sport. Besides, any so-called sport that has no concept of real defense isn't a sport either.

These guys flop and dive more than Dominik Hasek!
post #232 of 280
Laugh. It makes me laugh. Cracker.

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post #233 of 280
"...any so-called sport where the outcome so often depends on a ref's "interpretation" of some hair-splitting rule is not a sport."

What magical world do you live in?

Let's see... that takes care of basketball, football, baseball, hockey, soccer, rugby, etc.

Oh, and any olympic sport where judges give scores to determine the outcome.

What "real" sport does that leave? Bowling?

And one last question: Does anybody like Woods or agree with him on anything?
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post #234 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by patmcfar8:
<strong>

And one last question: Does anybody like Woods or agree with him on anything? </strong><hr></blockquote>

It doesn't seem like it
post #235 of 280
There are only two sports: hockey and soccer. Here are the rules for each:

Hockey: push biscuit in net with stick. Rule 1, sticks on sticks, bodies on bodies. Rule 2, nothing above the shoulders.

Soccer: push fat ball in net with foot. Rule 1, no hands. Rule 2, go after the ball not the player.

Great sport is simple (and pretty stupid when you think about it).
post #236 of 280
I just play along cause its fun . . . and the calls in came six were relenlessly bad . .. but, in truth, probably NOT fixed.


The Finals.... wow, right now its truly boring the Nets are getting clobbered... as my father would say.
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post #237 of 280
4:00 to go, the Nets have made a couple good runs to keep it close.

There are some hockey rules I don't get:
Blue Line, Red Line, offsides, icing... :confused:

I like it when Tiger talks basketball without all the conspiracy theories. I think he knows the game, but the other stuff gets in the way.

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post #238 of 280
[quote]Originally posted by jeffyboy:
<strong>
I like it when Tiger talks basketball without all the conspiracy theories. I think he knows the game, but the other stuff gets in the way.

Jeff</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's true. Unfortunately, the comspiracy theories get in the way too often.
post #239 of 280
it got exciting..... or is that the Lakers just deciding that they need the revenue from a longer series...so they are playing badly
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post #240 of 280
Man, Kobe had a couple crazy dunks in this game! Both times he took off and I thought, no way he throws this down...
:eek:


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