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7/2/10 at 3:58pm
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It also has to go through FCC testing the same as every other phone and they never found a show stopping problem or they would have denied release until it was fixed.

Too funny! The FCC will pass any device if it doesn't emit radiation.
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post #42 of 452
7/2/10 at 3:58pm
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One is a shareholder the other wears jeans and a black top going to Apple events. Not joking.

I didn't know that. Haven't been to MacWorld in many years to witness his clothing choices. If true, it's curious and quite possibly relevant. But whether that is sufficient to prove him to be dishonest and a liar . . . not as sure as you are about it.
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post #43 of 452
7/2/10 at 3:59pm
Wow, talk about selective (ie, biased) interpretations...

"Those grips may also produce sweaty palms from exertion, with the sweat increasing conductivityand possibly the degree of signal loss."

That right there says there is a problem with Apple's design of exposing the antennas to direct contact with skin. No other cell phone has this problem because no other phone allowed such direct contact. Or what, I'm never supposed to use my phone when I'm sweating?

"Using a cover, iPhone 4 performed even better."

Again, evidence that direct contact is bad. Do covers help other cell phones?

But in all fairness, AI is doing the CR article an injustice by only quoting one-sided parts of the CR post, which includes:

"That interference is exacerbated if the phone's antenna is not insulated from human contact. And that seems to be the case with the iPhone's external antenna"

So CR is, in fact, saying that Apple's decision to expose the antenna was a bad one.

It's too bad the CR article quoted only the favorable parts of the AnandTech article and didn't state the significant signal strength the iPhone lost when held certain ways. Far more than any other phone which doesn't have to deal with direct contact.

Is the iPhones increased sensitivity enough to overcome the increased signal loss? This remains to be seen/proven.
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7/2/10 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

I know Android has issues and am very pleased that you are experiencing no problems and enjoying a wonderful iPhone 4. I wish I was you. I on the other hand am not. I'm not stupid and I certainly don't think because someone says the iPhone 4 has a problem that I should expect to experience it necessarily. I have the problem because time after time since my ip4 activated on the 24th June all I have to do is use my phone in a way that feels comfortable and helps my phone from falling out of my hand, that's the same way I held my iPhone 3G that I'd had since a week after it's launch, to get serious signal loss to the point where I can't load internet pages and get "call failed". I can't even make a call if I don't release my hand from the lower part of the left side of the phone before I make the call more often than not. So kindly respect that this for me is a big issue.

There was a person who posted a video of an iPhone 4 which completely cut out as soon as the magic spot was touched. On the other hand, this is an anomaly, as is anything near as extreme. For what it's worth I know at least two dozen people who have one now and all are happier with their experience over their previous iPhones, and I've dropped very few calls now in four states.

I know this does not reflect your own experience, but it does suggest that you may have an iPhone which is actually defective (as must have been the case in that video). I would suggest simply returning it to Apple to get a replacement. The only exception I can imagine is if you're constantly in terrible signal areas where the -10 to -25 dB drop could potentially become a real issue, in which case it may really be bumper or return.
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post #45 of 452
7/2/10 at 3:59pm
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Why would the Dictionary built into mac osx, refer to both 'affect' and 'effect' as BOTH verbs and nouns?

Effect can sometimes be a verb but is usually a noun.
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post #46 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:00pm
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Holey moley, I think this log's been rolled far enough. After all, I'm the aggrieved party and I'm over it. Suggest others get there too.
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post #47 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:00pm
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Can you show that the signal dropped a significant amount or simply that the bar indicator dropped? Is there any evidence that the iPhone 4 drops more calls than previous phones? So far, the evidence says the opposite.

I disagree. I've happily owned a 3G for nearly two years without this issue. And that, my friend, is called evidence. And apparently I am not alone.

As an RF engineer and PROUD, vocal apple-fan, I hate to disagree with most of you. My new iPhone 4 has a reception issue. It's not a display issue, it's a signal strength issue caused by "shorting" the two antennas. Period. Just holding a single finger across that gap I go from 5 bars to Searching... with no cellular connectivity at all - no web pages loading, no e-mail, nothing. That is not a display issue. Try it yourself. We can all drink the koolaid, pretend nothing is wrong, and laud everything else that is great about this phone and Apple, but I'll bet you right now that next spring's iPhone (or January's vPhone) will not have this issue. Will I return mine? No, I'll just hold it differently. But I am dissatisfied with Apple's explanation of this mess. Anyone remember Gateway?
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post #48 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by davidcarswell View Post

oh hell-
i cant even make my connection drop a bar for phone calls or data even using my tongue to bridge the antennae...
go figure.

loving my iphone 4 in san francisco. where i have never had a dropped call(even with my 3g and 3gs)-and SF is notorious for drops-maybe there was a bad batch-but it more and more looking like a user issue. i don't know anyone who has had a problem-8 different people i know personally have increased reception.

-david

hope all your problems iron out!
good luck.


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post #49 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:02pm
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I genuinely do sympathize with you. I have no doubt that you are having these problems.

But something happened to me the other day that got me thinking. I was driving our new car and realized that there was a certain driving position that I was accustomed to using in our old car that I could not achieve in the new one. Same make, but a new year and model. It was just different. I am having to learn to get comfortable with a different geometry of hand, foot, and arm. I like the new car enough that I am willing to undergo the frustration of adjusting to a position that feels somewhat abnormal to me. But I am getting used to it.

The 4 is a new design too. Mine hasn't arrived yet, so I am speculating. Maybe after a period of adjusting to the minuses of this new design, the the plus features will compensate? Just a thought to consider, not meant to minimize you negative experience at all.

I'm quite sure you will love the iP4. Yes, you can hold it differently relatively easily and get no signal issues, indeed better than before, but it can get laborious after a while. You just start feeling like holding it falling into your palm instead of having to prop it up so it doesn't just through gravity sit in your palm, if you hold it in your left hand at least as I think most people do. It's certainly doable and you quickly get into the habit, but I think you get what I'm saying. Clearly though not everyone is having issues and hopefully you won't. My old 3G case completely illuminates any reception problems, but it doesn't fit properly and blocks the flash, 2 other cases made a very noticeable difference and I'm sure case manufacturers will be rushing to make cases that claim to be a full reception fix.

Best of luck to you anyway.

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post #50 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:02pm
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That right there says there is a problem with Apple's design of exposing the antennas to direct contact with skin. No other cell phone has this problem because no other phone allowed such direct contact. Or what, I'm never supposed to use my phone when I'm sweating?

Maybe read up more about it? Apple's antenna design has actually introduced some excellent new advances in the antenna while at the same time introducing a drawback, and that drawback is not sufficient to cause real fuss for most people (especially when combined with the benefits).
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7/2/10 at 4:08pm
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There was a person who posted a video of an iPhone 4 which completely cut out as soon as the magic spot was touched. On the other hand, this is an anomaly, as is anything near as extreme. For what it's worth I know at least two dozen people who have one now and all are happier with their experience over their previous iPhones, and I've dropped very few calls now in four states.

I know this does not reflect your own experience, but it does suggest that you may have an iPhone which is actually defective (as must have been the case in that video). I would suggest simply returning it to Apple to get a replacement. The only exception I can imagine is if you're constantly in terrible signal areas where the -10 to -25 dB drop could potentially become a real issue, in which case it may really be bumper or return.


I'm getting a replacement from Vodafone so I can but hope it works better till I get it next week. I've travelled around with it a fair bit now and have seen dramatic signal loss everywhere whilst holding it so I think that perfectly reasonable reception areas are now out of bounds, at least on the phone I've currently got.

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7/2/10 at 4:08pm
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I'm quite sure you will love the iP4. Yes, you can hold it differently relatively easily and get no signal issues, indeed better than before, but it can get laborious after a while. You just start feeling like holding it falling into your palm instead of having to prop it up so it doesn't just through gravity sit in your palm and at the same time you need to keep your fingers away from the lower left side. certainl;y doable and you quickly get into the habit, but I think you get what I'm saying. Clearly though not everyone is having issues and hopefully you won't. My old 3G case completely illuminates any reception problems, but it doesn't fit properly and blocks the flash, 2 other cases made a very noticeable difference and I'm sure case manufacturers will be rushing to make cases that claim to be a full reception fix.

Best of luck to you anyway.

Being on the outside looking in on this argument is very odd. I am anxious to get the thing in my hand so I can finally get my own experience with it. Will be happy if it is better than my 3G, annoyed if it isn't.
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post #53 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:09pm
I believe Consumer Report more than casual internet bloggers and lawyers. If you are one of the lucky individuals who have bought iPhone 4. Try sell it on eBay. Overseas buyers will gladly buy from you with big premiums. Eager Chinese buyers have paid $2000 for each iPhone 4.
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post #54 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:11pm
After reading a gazillion forum posts about the iPhone4's reception woes, reviews, and user experience I actually decided against purchasing for the following reasons :

a) Apple's PR (issue resolved by changing the bars... I think not)

b) Simply touching the bands of the antenna together is enough to potentially lose a call (according to many who actually own an iPhone4)

c) Cheaper Android High Spec phones now available that dont suffer this problem as badly.

d) Apple not willing to give out bumpers to resolve it and expecting us to pay $30 for them (a rip off basically)



I cant justify this purchase anymore, so am now looking to Motorola Droid X/Incredible or HTC for my new smartphone. I do however still love my iMac, so its not like Apple has lost me as a customer fully... just not for their phones.

This would have been my first iPhone too.
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post #55 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:19pm
That frivolous lawsuit against Apple for "reception issues" is looking more stupid every day. It's a publicity grab by the law firm. And it's probably part of a FUD campaign propelled by Google and/or Microsoft and/or RIM and/or Nokia.

Maybe Apple should just remove the signal strength bar indicator entirely. It would clean up the interface slightly since users would only see "AT&T 3G" or "AT&T E" or "No signal". No confusing, misleading bars.

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post #56 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:19pm
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And I am old enough to remember when Consumer Reports was above paid reviews (blogging in today's vernacular).

They used to only review a category of products and impartially evaluate them, this blog entry just reeks.

Do you know that the law requires (or will require) you to disclose if you have been compensated for your review of a product?

How can you unilaterally sling mud at everyone who writes a review (blogs) without proof?

What does this entry by consumer reports reek of and why?
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post #57 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:20pm
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After reading a gazillion forum posts about the iPhone4's reception woes, reviews, and user experience I actually decided against purchasing for the following reasons :

a) Apple's PR (issue resolved by changing the bars... I think not)

b) Simply touching the bands of the antenna together is enough to potentially lose a call (according to many who actually own an iPhone4)

c) Cheaper Android High Spec phones now available that dont suffer this problem as badly.

d) Apple not willing to give out bumpers to resolve it and expecting us to pay $30 for them (a rip off basically)



I cant justify this purchase anymore, so am now looking to Motorola Droid X/Incredible or HTC for my new smartphone. I do however still love my iMac, so its not like Apple has lost me as a customer fully... just not for their phones.

This would have been my first iPhone too.

That's too bad really. Oh well.
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post #58 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:23pm
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I disagree. I've happily owned a 3G for nearly two years without this issue. And that, my friend, is called evidence. And apparently I am not alone.

As an RF engineer and PROUD, vocal apple-fan, I hate to disagree with most of you. My new iPhone 4 has a reception issue. It's not a display issue, it's a signal strength issue caused by "shorting" the two antennas. Period. Just holding a single finger across that gap I go from 5 bars to Searching... with no cellular connectivity at all - no web pages loading, no e-mail, nothing. That is not a display issue. Try it yourself. We can all drink the koolaid, pretend nothing is wrong, and laud everything else that is great about this phone and Apple, but I'll bet you right now that next spring's iPhone (or January's vPhone) will not have this issue. Will I return mine? No, I'll just hold it differently. But I am dissatisfied with Apple's explanation of this mess. Anyone remember Gateway?

As a fellow engineer you can surely agree that just because you reproduce complete and total communication loss over the radio, doesn't mean everyone else can.

Try switching your unit if you're willing to invest energy?
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post #59 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:26pm
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Being on the outside looking in on this argument is very odd. I am anxious to get the thing in my hand so I can finally get my own experience with it. Will be happy if it is better than my 3G, annoyed if it isn't.

i hold it just like every other iphone i have had-
and i don't find trying to avoid the lower area in question unnatural in any way whatsoever...

i mean - other than this unnatural hold thing - perhaps this is a mal-batch of iphones-but remember - people see what they want to see-and perhaps i am as well and my perception is somehow flawed as well as 8 of my friends...

for the record: i purchased mine at full retail price $599.99+8.75(?)sales tax-on Tuesday Jun 29, 2010 - worth every single penny! best phone i have ever had - no question.

it's all so puzzling eh?
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7/2/10 at 4:26pm
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Wow, talk about selective (ie, biased) interpretations...

"Those grips may also produce sweaty palms from exertion, with the sweat increasing conductivityand possibly the degree of signal loss."

That right there says there is a problem with Apple's design of exposing the antennas to direct contact with skin. No other cell phone has this problem because no other phone allowed such direct contact. Or what, I'm never supposed to use my phone when I'm sweating?

"Using a cover, iPhone 4 performed even better."

Again, evidence that direct contact is bad. Do covers help other cell phones?

But in all fairness, AI is doing the CR article an injustice by only quoting one-sided parts of the CR post, which includes:

"That interference is exacerbated if the phone's antenna is not insulated from human contact. And that seems to be the case with the iPhone's external antenna"

So CR is, in fact, saying that Apple's decision to expose the antenna was a bad one.

It's too bad the CR article quoted only the favorable parts of the AnandTech article and didn't state the significant signal strength the iPhone lost when held certain ways. Far more than any other phone which doesn't have to deal with direct contact.

Is the iPhones increased sensitivity enough to overcome the increased signal loss? This remains to be seen/proven.

Talking about selective interpretations, I think we can both agree that if you can't quote an entire article you should just quote the conclusion. Hence, presented here for unbiased interpretation is CR's bottom line (as they put it):

Bottom line: There's no reason, at least yet, to forgo buying an iPhone 4 over its reception concerns. And even if those do materialize, Apple's Steve Jobs helpfully reminds new iPhone buyers that "you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund."
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7/2/10 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

I know Android has issues and am very pleased that you are experiencing no problems and enjoying a wonderful iPhone 4. I wish I was you. I on the other hand am not. I'm not stupid and I certainly don't think because someone says the iPhone 4 has a problem that I should expect to experience it necessarily. I have the problem because time after time since my ip4 activated on the 24th June all I have to do is use my phone in a way that feels comfortable and helps my phone from falling out of my hand, that's the same way I held my iPhone 3G that I'd had since a week after it's launch, to get serious signal loss to the point where I can't load internet pages and get "call failed". I can't even make a call if I don't release my hand from the lower part of the left side of the phone before I make the call more often than not. So kindly respect that this for me is a big issue.

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!
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7/2/10 at 4:33pm
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I'm getting a replacement from Vodafone so I can but hope it works better till I get it next week. I've travelled around with it a fair bit now and have seen dramatic signal loss everywhere whilst holding it so I think that perfectly reasonable reception areas are now out of bounds, at least on the phone I've currently got.

Are you dropping calls or losing bars?
Big difference between the two.
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7/2/10 at 4:33pm
It isn't an issue because it is the nature of any similarly situated phone. My brother has a Verizon HTC Droid Aris. We just spend some time making that phone lose a bar or two depending on the hand position. Our Mom uses the Motorola Droid, it does the same thing. I can make my iPhone 3GS do the same thing. If people want sleek small smart phones, they have to except where you hold the phone is going to influence the performance of the device.

I guarantee some of Apple's competitors are the ones making this become an "issue." The iPhone 4 is awesome.

Like you said, why sue Apple? Apple has offered to allow the return of the phone for a full refund. I doubt anybody is taking Apple up on that.



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There is no doubt the reception issue is real. It really boils down to who it affects individually. I can reproduce the error about 40% of the time. Even then, it hasn't dropped a call. I even forced it to get down to no bars on EDGE and the voice still connected, didn't drop and was clear. Odd.

I think it's safe to say that for me and me only, it's a non-issue. It's unfortunate for the ones who due suffer it. Return it if it's really that bad.
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7/2/10 at 4:33pm
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I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

damn-you said that so sweet-like! Holler!
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7/2/10 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post

Are you dropping calls or losing bars?
Big difference between the two.

All my calls so far have failed unless I hold it differently, then it's been fine. That said though the only calls I've made on it whilst holding it normally have been from inside my house which has 2 feet thick stone walls and shows between 1 and 2 bars on Vodafone's non 3G network. The manager at Vodafone had 5 bars of 3G coverage and when he made a call, and he certainly didn't look like he was tightly gripping it (I think he probably wanted to see what would happen if he did everything the way he does on his 3GS) the call failed within seconds.

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7/2/10 at 4:42pm
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Um, wrong, troll, "effect" can be a verb also. though your correction was right.

And 'affect' can be a noun as in 'dulled 'affect''.
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7/2/10 at 4:43pm
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I didn't know that. Haven't been to MacWorld in many years to witness his clothing choices. If true, it's curious and quite possibly relevant. But whether that is sufficient to prove him to be dishonest and a liar . . . not as sure as you are about it.

Been reading these boards much?

You should know by now that disagreement is proof positive that the other person is dishonest, a shill, or worse, and his mother dresses him funny.
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7/2/10 at 4:43pm
You better not get the Droid then because my brother and I just spent a half hour experimenting with both model droids (the HTC and Motorola ones) and they both suffer the same problem. Further, why should Apple have to give out a free bumper when for 99 percent of the people out there they are happy iPhone owners and were going to buy a case from somebody, if not Apple, anyway? Have you played with the new iphone, it is the best phone out there bar none.

These people crying are just people looking for a free hand out. Kind of like the people who when Apple lowered the price of it's iPhone after three months people thought Apple owed them something. Apple needlessly caved in that case and gave a $100 credit. I remember when the Nexus One came out, the forums where filled with unhappy users who had to email Google for support.

Apple is a business, but for a business it really goes the extra mile to treat people fairly. I once had Apple fix a five year old Mac for free for me.

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After reading a gazillion forum posts about the iPhone4's reception woes, reviews, and user experience I actually decided against purchasing for the following reasons :

a) Apple's PR (issue resolved by changing the bars... I think not)

b) Simply touching the bands of the antenna together is enough to potentially lose a call (according to many who actually own an iPhone4)

c) Cheaper Android High Spec phones now available that dont suffer this problem as badly.

d) Apple not willing to give out bumpers to resolve it and expecting us to pay $30 for them (a rip off basically)



I cant justify this purchase anymore, so am now looking to Motorola Droid X/Incredible or HTC for my new smartphone. I do however still love my iMac, so its not like Apple has lost me as a customer fully... just not for their phones.

This would have been my first iPhone too.
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7/2/10 at 4:45pm
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There is almost no one suffering. They THINK they are because all of these sites and 'news' sites are saying oh there is this huge issue lets sue APPLE!!!! And they think well I must be having the issue. Then they convince themselves they ARE having the issue. It is funny because I got my phone a day early and I actually get an added bar if I touch all 3 pieces... There is no Scandal. There is no shocking news.. It is all blown out of proportion. What should be blown up is how open the Droid marketplace is and how much information the apps on the marketplace can take from its users like malware.
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This needs to be studied as a textbook case of mass hysteria.
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7/2/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

The fact that you've to do this is a design flaw. Say you've a 3GS and a 4G phone, and you hold both in the same way.

3GS = no drop calls, no drop data
4G = drop calls, slow data (or no data)

How would you characterize this? What if you accidentally bridge the 2 antennas and your call/data drops? Holding it "differently" isn't difficult, but the fact that you've to hold it "differently" for the 4G to work work is a design flaw whereas the 3GS is chugging along merrily. And please don't attack someone by saying "no self-control." You have attributed something that is entirely not the user's fault. In fact, if anything, the iPhone was highly praised for its accessibility for the disabled.
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7/2/10 at 4:47pm
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

Make sure you write all of that in every post on this issue from now on or you'll get called a "primadonnas" too. But hey, you'll deserve it!

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7/2/10 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

Crap.

When will people learn that an attempted cover-up can be worse than the original offense?

Consumer Reports wants to go down with Apple?

Bummer whe facts conflict with your biases, huh?
(Posted from my iPhone 4 in a marginal signal area with now better re option than I've e er had before. )
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post #73 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by singng View Post

I believe Consumer Report more than casual internet bloggers and lawyers

Unfortunately, I'll believe bottom-shelf tabloids before Consumer Reports.
Pro-Apple or not, CR has ZERO credibility.

We'll have to see what National Enquirer runs on this matter.
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post #74 of 452
7/2/10 at 4:56pm
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Too funny! The FCC will pass any device if it doesn't emit radiation.

Your proof?
Thought so n
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post #75 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by Hands Sandon View Post

I'm getting a replacement from Vodafone so I can but hope it works better till I get it next week. I've travelled around with it a fair bit now and have seen dramatic signal loss everywhere whilst holding it so I think that perfectly reasonable reception areas are now out of bounds, at least on the phone I've currently got.

No, you've see bars on a screen that generally indicate signal strength but apparently are inaccurate. You have no idea what the actual signal strength is.
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post #76 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Unfortunately, I'll believe bottom-shelf tabloids before Consumer Reports.
Pro-Apple or not, CR has ZERO credibility.

We'll have to see what National Enquirer runs on this matter.

That an alien had Tom Cruise's baby? I mean, I already knew that, but what does it have to do with the iPhone? Wait, I think I'm finally getting it...
Please don't be insane.
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Please don't be insane.
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post #77 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:04pm
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No, you've see bars on a screen that generally indicate signal strength but apparently are inaccurate. You have no idea what the actual signal strength is.

If I hold the phone the same way I've always done I get no internet or an internet that super super slow, period, sorry if you don't like that. I'm happy for all the people who haven't been able to even reproduce this even when they try, but that unfortunately isn't my experience. And obviously when I hold it "differently" everything is quick.

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"If your enemies cannot find a flaw in your reasoning, they will find it in your reputation".

~ William Hazlitt

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post #78 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

There are several issues that are being folded into one giant mess and the Chicken Littles running around in hysterics aren't helping anyone, much less their own argument.

What you state is find if the only issue was typical attenuation caused by an object impeding RF, like what we see in every single cell phone on the market. The problem comes in when it's more than basic attenuation, but the cellular access completely stopping the instant you touch the "3G-Spot". Since the bars only refresh about every 10 seconds you won't see it right away, but as demonstrated in the video below, it's indicative of a bigger issue which isn't affecting all users and is not proof of a "design flaw".

Note, this video could easily be doctored but I have no reason to believe that it is.
http://vimeo.com/12864890
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #79 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

Oh boy...

First, we'd be rolling in the streets (and likely calling doom) if Android phones needed to be held in a certain way.

Second, this is for the people who apologize for Apple's mirror-screen Macs (after all, it's no big deal if you re-arrange the room and adjust the lighting...).

The bottom line is if we wanted BS we wouldn't buy Apple products. Steve & Co. can do better, and we expect it. This is our little way of reminding them.
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post #80 of 452
7/2/10 at 5:16pm
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Note, this video could easily be doctored but I have no reason to believe that it is.
http://vimeo.com/12864890

So why even say that then?

DaHarder just got banned. Let's crack open the champagne.

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DaHarder just got banned. Let's crack open the champagne.

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