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Keep in mind Daniel Eran is an Apple Shareholder. This seems to effect the stories he writes, and how he writes them.

So what? I am an Apple shareholder too. Big deal.

Some day, you'll climb down from your pathetically cynical and jaded perch, and understand/accept the fact that human beings are actually capable of intellectual honesty.
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So why even say that then?

Because some of us like to be thorough and objective. You should give it a try sometime, you may like it.
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post #83 of 452
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I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

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post #84 of 452
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Originally Posted by mobility View Post

Try switching your unit if you're willing to invest energy?

Haha, you're right. So, either not everyone is owning up to this issue or I really am all alone?
post #85 of 452
C'mon this discussion reached ridicule already.
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Oh boy...

First, we'd be rolling in the streets (and likely calling doom) if Android phones needed to be held in a certain way.

Second, this is for the people who apologize for Apple's mirror-screen Macs (after all, it's no big deal if you re-arrange the room and adjust the lighting...).

The bottom line is if we wanted BS we wouldn't buy Apple products. Steve & Co. can do better, and we expect it. This is our little way of reminding them.

Well, the big way of reminding him is to BUY SOMETHING ELSE! If it bothers and pains you so much that you cannot be in the least accommodating, you have the freedom to go somewhere else that will suit your needs.

The truth is, There could be several issues here that can get confusing, but the bottom line is if you personally can't use it as a phone, don't get it or return it. Many people can be very accommodating by looking at the relatively low number of complaints. If you want to keep the phone - buy a case. Since there are solutions out there this is really a non-issue.
post #87 of 452
No issues yet. Guess I'm still holding it wrong and/or my palms aren't sweaty enough.
post #88 of 452
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

For $700 I personally think the absolute least it could do is work as a phone without me having to pay attention to where I'm making contact with its frame. It's also a matter of preferring Apple to remain as they have been historically - a producer of quality electronics, not a producer of electronics that are just good enough while still being priced at a premium.
post #89 of 452
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Originally Posted by galore View Post

I really understand Steve Job's response MUCH better now.

Can't you just hold it a little bit differently. I mean, it's not SUCH a huge deal to NOT cover that stupid gap.

It's really difficult to "kindly respect" you on this. Maybe if you have a physical condition that makes it impossible for you to hold the phone in a way that makes it work. Do yourself a favor and return the phone if you have so little self control as to not touch the "gap of doom".

Sheesh - some people are just primadonnas. I mean, sure, my IP4 drops bars if I hold it "naturally" (for me). So I just move my pinky and the phone gets awesome connectivity. Is that SO difficult to do?!

You obviously did not read the thread, or are being frivolous. Please look at post #25, and tell me how you would solve the problem of navigating the web on the iPhone.
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I didn't know that. Haven't been to MacWorld in many years to witness his clothing choices. If true, it's curious and quite possibly relevant. But whether that is sufficient to prove him to be dishonest and a liar . . . not as sure as you are about it.

I'd bet we can both agree to call him consistently favorable. Like the CR and anandtech's article, he selectively hand-picked the positive pieces.
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post #91 of 452
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

No issues yet. Guess I'm still holding it wrong and/or my palms aren't sweaty enough.

Or perhaps you have not read the articles that suggest why not everyone will notice an issue.
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post #92 of 452
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

Oh boy...

First, we'd be rolling in the streets (and likely calling doom) if Android phones needed to be held in a certain way.

Second, this is for the people who apologize for Apple's mirror-screen Macs (after all, it's no big deal if you re-arrange the room and adjust the lighting...).

The bottom line is if we wanted BS we wouldn't buy Apple products. Steve & Co. can do better, and we expect it. This is our little way of reminding them.

I honestly don't understand the big backlash against Apple. I mean, I don't like Apple, the company, for various reasons, but I think that the IP4 is absolutely fantastic. I'm glad they decided to roll the dice on this antenna design because it is probably the only solution to achieve the IP4's sleek design.

I prefer form over function, as long as the function part is ok. I don't need face-time, twenty different browsers, an unrestricted marketplace (malware), don't care about megapixels or gigahertzes as long as the pictures are good and the phone isn't sluggish. I don't care if I lose a bar or two if I touch the gap and also don't care if it drops a call in a low-signal scenario, if I touch the gap.

I do care about physical appearance (I'm shallow) and I would never buy a Palm Pre (to plastic-y) or one of those Android variants (never seen one that isn't fat and plastic).

I really liked the first iPhone (glass, aluminum), was so-so about the 3G(s) (plastic) and LOVE the IP4 - feels so solid and, yes, high-end (that's also the main reason I have a current-gen iMac, because I dig that case and the glossy screen - sooooo beautiful. Don't care about the specs - I use it to surf the web, which I could do on a cheap PC but then I would have to deal with a crappy case, a plastic monitor enclosure and a myriad of cables).

Beautiful often equals high maintenance. If the main flaw of the iPhone4 is that I must not touch it in a sensitive spot, then so be it. Call me a stupid Apple fanboy consumer (actually, if there was an HTC that was as thin, sleek and beautiful as the IP4, I'd buy that - I don't have loyalty to Apple - I just like beautiful items). I won't be offended
post #93 of 452
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Because some of us like to be thorough and objective. You should give it a try sometime, you may like it.

What a load of crap. You only said it to be suggestive. To be thorough and objective? Bullshit.
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post #94 of 452
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Or perhaps you have not read the articles that suggest why not everyone will notice an issue.

If I read the article, will I then not be able to make calls?
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I was going to get a bumper anyway for protection....problem solved. Hopefully the IP4 is, indeed, better at transmitting/receiving signals.

However, I think I will wait until the iOS fix is out and see what others see.
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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

and see what others see.

: Really?
: Good luck.
post #97 of 452
Get a Droid Incredible. You'll love it.

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Originally Posted by lewchenko View Post

After reading a gazillion forum posts about the iPhone4's reception woes, reviews, and user experience I actually decided against purchasing for the following reasons :

a) Apple's PR (issue resolved by changing the bars... I think not)

b) Simply touching the bands of the antenna together is enough to potentially lose a call (according to many who actually own an iPhone4)

c) Cheaper Android High Spec phones now available that dont suffer this problem as badly.

d) Apple not willing to give out bumpers to resolve it and expecting us to pay $30 for them (a rip off basically)



I cant justify this purchase anymore, so am now looking to Motorola Droid X/Incredible or HTC for my new smartphone. I do however still love my iMac, so its not like Apple has lost me as a customer fully... just not for their phones.

This would have been my first iPhone too.
post #98 of 452
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What a load of crap. You only said it to be suggestive. To be thorough and objective? Bullshit.

Absolutely. I'm suggesting that RF could be affected and effected with ease by a source not shown on that video because I, unlike you, are being objective by exploring and considering all possible reasons for signal loss instead of jumping to wild conclusions based on hard evidence.

Your entire paranoid argument falls apart because your view of my position on this matter would exclude me from making a post about the 3G Spot issue or posting a video detailing it.

Again, you're falling back into trolling mode with your knee-jerk one-liners calling people drug addicts simply for disagreeing with you yet having no viable argument to back up your statement.
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post #99 of 452
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post

What they said certainly isn't truethat the issue won't result in a loss of a phone callbut it isn't especially likely to cause a loss of a phone call unless it worsens an already terrible signal, or you really do hold it in an unnatural/uncomfortable way for extended periods of time (with the caveat that sweaty hands will worsen any applicable issue). As for news sources, a technical analysis counts for much more than a general report.

If you're having regular problems I'd suggest exchanging your phone.

he does not own a iphone 4
he just whines for days upon days
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post #100 of 452
JUST GOT IPHONE 4. WORKS GREAT. NO ISSUES, NO YELLOW, NO DROPPED CALLS, NO PROXIMITY PROBLEMS. WHATS UP PEOPLE? I WAS WAITING TO BUY BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUPPOSED ISSUES. IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE HONEST REVIEW OF THEIR EXPERIENCES THAN ALL OF THE THEORETICAL CRAP THATS BEING SAID. WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS CAN YOU MAKE CALL, GET TEXTS, INTERNET SEE THE SCREEN, TAKE A PICTURE WHATEVER. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING PHONE TO S#@K YOUR D%*K YOU MIGHT BE DISAPPOINTED.
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Get a Droid Incredible. You'll love it.

In the words of our favorite poster, "Bullshit".
post #102 of 452
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Originally Posted by gdog View Post

JUST GOT IPHONE 4. WORKS GREAT. NO ISSUES, NO YELLOW, NO DROPPED CALLS, NO PROXIMITY PROBLEMS. WHATS UP PEOPLE? I WAS WAITING TO BUY BECAUSE OF ALL THE SUPPOSED ISSUES. IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE HONEST REVIEW OF THEIR EXPERIENCES THAN ALL OF THE THEORETICAL CRAP THATS BEING SAID. WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS CAN YOU MAKE CALL, GET TEXTS, INTERNET SEE THE SCREEN, TAKE A PICTURE WHATEVER. IF YOU ARE EXPECTING PHONE TO S#@K YOUR D%*K YOU MIGHT BE DISAPPOINTED.

You're lying. You're a shareholder.
post #103 of 452
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Originally Posted by Mike Reed View Post

For $700 I personally think the absolute least it could do is work as a phone without me having to pay attention to where I'm making contact with its frame. It's also a matter of preferring Apple to remain as they have been historically - a producer of quality electronics, not a producer of electronics that are just good enough while still being priced at a premium.

Apple products have always needed "special" treatment - Remember the first iPhone would not work with standard headphones because of the weird jack?, or that you could get any screen you wanted on an iMac - as long as it was glossy?

Why did you think this would be any different? I'm not knocking Apple, this is their standard MO, and I have learned that you adjust to Apple's way or don't buy it. Complaints get corrected in the next revision.

That being said, put a case on it or return it. If you want a "better" solution, then dropping calls wasn't the real issue.
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You're lying. You're a shareholder.

Maybe he's lying about being a shareholder.
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If you are expecting phone to s#@k your d%*k you might be disappointed.

I want an app that will build me an island then transform into a f@#king jet and fly me there.

If you don't get that reference check out these videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAOtC9QfXac
BTW, the guy who made those hillarous videos has been suspended from his job at BestBuy and may get fired despite never once mentioning BestBuy.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...deo-on-youtube
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post #107 of 452
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Your experience doesn't mirror mine, so like I said, this is a non-issue for me. I don't use cases or bumpers, so I don't care what they charge for it. What word did I spell wrong?

You used the word "due", as opposed to 'do', in the second to last sentence.

But not to worry, brucep has little room to complain...

'alot' is two words... 'a lot'.

'discusting' should be spelled 'disgusting'.

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post #108 of 452
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Originally Posted by mobility View Post

That's too bad really. Oh well.

My iPhone 4 is the BEST!
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My iPhone 4 is the BEST!

No, my iPhone 4 is the BEST. I know this to be true because if these forums are anything to go by it's the one out of 2+ Million that actually works.
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post #110 of 452
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My iPhone 4 is the BEST!

No! MY iPhone 4 is the best. I fart in your iPhone 4's general direction.
post #111 of 452
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Originally Posted by Marauder View Post

Funny, I am able to reliably reproduce signal drop with a single finger against the band dividing the two antennas...

I cannot replicate the problem on mine... I guess for once I have been lucky.

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post #112 of 452
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post

Everyone can, as long as the signal isn't very strong.

Read this and Apple's press release for an explanation of how the bars reflect actual signal strength. What it boils down to is the iPhone 4 losing around -10 dB in signal more than many other smart phones when held in a certain way, and that drop, combined with what is normal for phones (about another -10 dB), combined with the way Apple represents bars (note that this is not just Apple), results in the bar loss we've seen so many times. On the flip-side, the iPhone 4 holds a signal very well at lower signal strengths. In the end it amounts to a phone which is more reliable than the iPhone 3GS.

Exactly. People don't seem to understand that the phone can be _more_ reliable and have a more erratic signal at the same time.
post #113 of 452
Hmmm, I am an Apple Shareholder too. I have been reading all of this because, well, it will affect my Apple stock. J/K, I think this is all a tempest in a teacup. I read one post that seemed the most sensible of all, that Apple sacrificed some design aspects to create new different design aspects. Meaning the antenna design brings in new features and advantages and yet sacrifices some other design issues such as how it is held with a bare hand. And... so??

Look, everyone has choice, there are issues, yes, and there are ways to solve the problem. One, use a case. Each and every friend of mine that has an iPhone has a case, period. (they all have older versions of the iPhone so not for the current issue but to protect the device) Two, if using a case is so repugnant to you, hold it so you don't cover the antenna. Three, you hate that Apple isn't making your mobile phone experience orgasmically perfect? Choose another brand. Yes, choose another brand. (that old yarn about not being able to please all of the people all of the time is true and Apple is wise in not trying to do the impossible)

For me? I don't have an iPhone and am not ever getting one. I work at my home office so I am tied to one place most of the time and my land line is just fine. When I do leave I have a old stupid LG cell phone that can do the internet and text but I do not know how to do that on this phone so I don't even try. I will be getting an iPad 3G so I can be on the internet and text and when I need to talk on the phone I will use the phone. I personally like them to be separate and not in one device. But that is me, I know my friends, (the ones who all have cases for their iPhones) love them and love that they can do it all in one device So good. There is not one thing ever that is going to be the perfect thing for everyone, so choose accordingly.

*ETA* What I meant about J/K was that as a stock holder I am not worried about this issue, but it is true, I am a stockholder, only wish I had more! (I bought when it was in the high 70's)
post #114 of 452
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

i want an app that will build me an island then transform into a f@#king jet and fly me there.

If you don't get that reference check out these videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl7yd-0pqzg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaotc9qfxac
btw, the guy who made those hillarous videos has been suspended from his job at bestbuy and may get fired despite never once mentioning bestbuy.
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...deo-on-youtube


that VIDEO is funny i must say
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Consumer Reports: ‘iPhone 4’s Supposed Signal Woes Aren’t Unique, and May Not Be Serious’

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Who am I supposed to believe, the sensationalist hacks at Consumer Reports, or the straight-shooters at Gizmodo?

http://daringfireball.net/

Boom!

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Consumer Reports: ‘iPhone 4’s Supposed Signal Woes Aren’t Unique, and May Not Be Serious’



http://daringfireball.net/http://daringfireball.net/

Boom!

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Yeah, 'cause only Gizmodo is reporting it? Right, Gruber. Boom? Give me a break.
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post #117 of 452
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

It isn't an issue because it is the nature of any similarly situated phone. My brother has a Verizon HTC Droid Aris. We just spend some time making that phone lose a bar or two depending on the hand position. Our Mom uses the Motorola Droid, it does the same thing. I can make my iPhone 3GS do the same thing. If people want sleek small smart phones, they have to except where you hold the phone is going to influence the performance of the device.

I guarantee some of Apple's competitors are the ones making this become an "issue." The iPhone 4 is awesome.

Like you said, why sue Apple? Apple has offered to allow the return of the phone for a full refund. I doubt anybody is taking Apple up on that.

This post is bugging me so I have to say something. That's fine and dandy that all phones do this, but the iPhone 4 is the first phone I've ever owned that stops working completely when I hold it very lightly. I cannot load data, or make calls when that little black strip is blocked.
post #118 of 452
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This post is bugging me so I have to say something. That's fine and dandy that all phones do this, but the iPhone 4 is the first phone I've ever owned that stops working completely when I hold it very lightly. I cannot load data, or make calls when that little black strip is blocked.

Your reply is bugging me so I must respond. Boo F&^%ing Hoo. You have 3 options:

1. Hold it differently (which you seem unable to do)
2. Your phone may be defective - return it
3. Put a case on it.

I'm not making light of your problem, I'm saying you have alternatives to complaining about it. Fix it and get on with your life.
post #119 of 452
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This post is bugging me so I have to say something. That's fine and dandy that all phones do this, but the iPhone 4 is the first phone I've ever owned that stops working completely when I hold it very lightly. I cannot load data, or make calls when that little black strip is blocked.

STOP WHINING YOU TROLL!

The above, in capitals, is what twats say, ignore them, they're retards who can't afford iPhones yet.
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