Originally Posted by Camp David
I am not aware of a single religion - outside the Christian faith - that does not incorporate elements of 'worship' or 'praise' as a function of its practice so you'll have to work harder understanding religion. Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and even Taoism incorporate 'worship' or 'praise' and indeed even neopagan religious faiths, Druidism and Witchcraft, involve 'worship' or 'praise' rituals.
Let's take the two with which I have a degree of personal experience: Witchcraft and Islam.
Please give examples of the 'worship' elements. It is possible I missed them....
Also you could give an example from Daoism too.
Originally Posted by Fellowship
Keep in mind I have my ideas as to where society in general has strayed. I happen to suspect that today the average American is more self-centered than ever (exceptions are all over the place mind you) and want things just the way they want it. If they go to Starbucks they want a certain number of pumps exactly of syrup in their latte at a certain temperature etc etc. They want gadgets and people to serve them. Pedicures and iPhones provide a self-centered fulfilment at a given moment in time. This service or that toy can please for a moment.
I agree with this 100% - well...90 maybe...not sure it is a new development, possibly things have been like this a long time. I agree it is now 'acceptable' and risen to the status of a virtue.
This is the major problem in society actually. It is one of the reasons why Islam (say) is aa fast growing religion - because it somehow draws a line between such things like Christianity used to but no longer does... people actually deep down WANT the old certainties and values I think.
If this is true and I think it is easily observable in today's American culture why not then should self-centered (as opposed to selfless) youth and older folks as well for that matter not want the same from Church. Their music the way they want it even if it has nothing to do with our Lord. After all it is all about me! me! me! right?
I agree there....if they do not get it from the Church they will look elsewhere for it. That's fine by me but I can see how you might feel the Church needs to address it...as it does in order to survive.
Essentially the bottom line is that the secular West is in crisis - and by pandering to it and accepting it the Church is in crisis too.
This is where I start to get "sick" if you please. When the selfish culture (youth or old) start to make Church a place to be entertained I think that is selfish, empty and fruitless. Worship and Praise are not for us rather for the Lord.
Well..I can't say about that not being partial to going to Church myself.
I would say though that unless the Church is 'real' and tells the 'truth' then it will die.
Of course our definition of those terms may vary!