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A new report alleges that Apple's next iPod touch, expected to arrive this September, will have a 5 megapixel camera, capture HD video, feature FaceTime connectivity, and include a gyroscope, like the iPhone 4.

U.K. retailer John Lewis said the information is based on "noises we're hearing from suppliers," according to electricpig.co.uk. Though no mention was specifically made of a forward-facing camera at the company's presentation in London, it did say that FaceTime calling over Wi-Fi would be possible "so you can communicate with friends at zero cost."

The purported details of Apple's new iPod touch were revealed at the John Lewis "Xmas in July" event. The retailer also claimed that the new iPod touch will include a camera flash for improved pictures in the dark, like the iPhone 4. It also said that users would be able to upload their HD videos directly to YouTube from the device, over Wi-Fi.

Finally, John Lewis also said the new iPod touch is expected to include both an accelerometer and a gyroscope. The hardware addition already found in the iPhone 4 allows a new, more precise control method for game titles on the App Store.

The company made no mention whether the iPod touch would receive some of the other additions of the iPhone 4, namely the 640-by-960 pixel Retina Display, or Apple's custom-built A4 processor.



Apple was originally rumored to add a camera to its iPod touch at last year's annual September iPod event, but the feature was allegedly pulled due to bad parts with the camera modules. But the Cupertino, Calif., company did add a video camera to last year's updated iPod nano.
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But will it have a blu-ray player?


Btw, I'm first so suck it.
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There should be at least one model of the iPod touch that is exactly the same as the iPhone except for the actual phone features. Everything else should be identical, including the A4 process, the Retina display, GPS, compass, two cameras, gyroscope, accelerometer, etc.
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Same camera found in the iPhone 4 would be nice.

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post #5 of 77
That's a stretch. I'm hoping for GPS. Just for my running aps if nothing else.
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Can't wait, this might finally be the apple product that I preorder, my 2g is feeling sluggish
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It seems weird that the nano has had a camera all this time and the touch still does not.
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

There should be at least one model of the iPod touch that is exactly the same as the iPhone except for the actual phone features. Everything else should be identical, including the A4 process, the Retina display, GPS, compass, two cameras, gyroscope, accelerometer, etc.

That's interesting, but what would the difference be in price - given what AT&T pays Apple for iPhones?
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Why wouldn't it? Why would apple not allow FaceTime to other things than the iPhone? They're proud of it and I think they want as many as possible to be able to use it. For example, right now I can talk to my wife and buddy only because they have iPhone 4 now if it went to the new touch, tons of people I know could take advantage of it.
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That's interesting, but what would the difference be in price - given what AT&T pays Apple for iPhones?

Something less than the GSM features and licenses cost; it could be a high end iPod (if there's even a market for that). But I'd rather see Apple to sell the phone unlocked ($600) like they are required to do in some EU markets.
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Why wouldn't it? Why would apple not allow FaceTime to other things than the iPhone? They're proud of it and I think they want as many as possible to be able to use it. For example, right now I can talk to my wife and buddy only because the have iPhone 4 not it went to the new touch, tons of people I know could take advantage of it.

Why not add FaceTime to desktop Mac OS X as well? since it is WiFi only anyway - and tons of Macs out there already have built-in camera - would allow video chat with far more folks. Maybe even an option to forward a FaceTime chat request from one device to the other.
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I've always wondered how FaceTime would work to devices that doesn't have telephony, such as computers and iPod touches. How does the initiating device know where to call? I thought that FaceTime uses telephony for discovery and handshaking. Does anyone have a good take on this?
post #13 of 77
Apple has so many sleeper hits it's crazy... think they'll build FaceTime into iTunes soon?
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iPod shuffle will get a camera, can't see it happening for the iPod Touch.
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yeah bring on the video
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I've always wondered how FaceTime would work to devices that doesn't have telephony, such as computers and iPod touches. How does the initiating device know where to call? I thought that FaceTime uses telephony for discovery and handshaking. Does anyone have a good take on this?

interesting info here - http://youshottheinvisibleswordsman....pen-standards/ - doesn't really answer the question - but leads me to believe it should not be too tough a technological terror for the Moffs to create.
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Why not add FaceTime to desktop Mac OS X as well? since it is WiFi only anyway - and tons of Macs out there already have built-in camera - would allow video chat with far more folks. Maybe even an option to forward a FaceTime chat request from one device to the other.

I wonder if they will let this move to being useable with iChat? I was surprised that they didn't do this in the first place. I don't understand the technology behind it right now. Seems much more complicated than it needs to be.

You have some good points too about how it should be used.
post #18 of 77
... the iphone4 is pretty much an ipod if you hold it correctly!
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This rumor is a nice one. If true, this would not only make the iPod touch lot more useful to the buyers, but also become a true communications device. It's strategically important for Apple to remove the operators out of the equation as they go forward.
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... the iphone4 is pretty much an ipod if you hold it correctly!

Nice one! :-)
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I too hope that the Touch moves very close to the iPhone feature set.

Lack of camera and GPS are becoming more and more of a detriment to Touch usefulness as more and more apps make use of those features. A built in microphone and Bluetooth handsfree are essential as well - with a good VOIP app (where are you Skype?) could be extremely disruptive to the cell carriers. Let's hope.

The unsubsidized iPhone is ridiculously overpriced. Yes all those features would raise the price, but to $600? Puhlease.
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No iPod Classic on the presentation slide. Maybe just means no refresh of it.
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As others have said, just give us the iPhone minus the phone. If they really want facetime to take off, this would be a great way to give it a boost.

And it's only a matter of time before iChat connects to facetime, they just wanted to get it working on the phone first.
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A built in microphone and Bluetooth handsfree are essential as well - with a good VOIP app (where are you Skype?) could be extremely disruptive to the cell carriers. Let's hope.

What are you talking about?

Skype has been on the iPhone/iPod touch for a long, long time. There are other third-party apps that also feature Skype functionality (Nimbuzz, fring).

There are probably forty or fifty VoIP apps including a bunch of SIP clients which you can use with whatever SIP provider you choose. I use Acrobits Softphone with Gizmo5 SIP on my iPod touch. With Google Voice and push notifications, this has allowed me to make calls back to the United States from abroad.

Skype/VoIP/SIP functionality has been on iOS devices for ages.

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I agree... Make it an iPhone without the phone part. Wouldn't that just be simpler? I know it would make everyone that buys them happy.
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It would be awesome to see future MacBooks integrate an A4 processor and iOS side-by-side with OSX. The benefit would be an instant-on browsing/App experience for when full OSX is overkill. This could mean ridiculous battery life and further integration with iPhone/iPod.

Since the Touch is likely getting Facetime, it's only a matter of time before we see iOS features spread across Apple's products. And contrary to some worries, I think it could actually help strengthen Mac/OSX with greater innovation spreading to that platform from the touch/mobile device space.
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Well it is all by design. Apple wants you to buy all their devices.

If you have a Mac, get a Mac Book, get an iPad, get an iPhone, get an iPod Touch etc. I have a hard time seeing Apple putting FaceTime on the iPod Touch and see it as an iPhone exclusive for now.

However in a gaming perspective (which is what the iPod Touch is becoming a mobile gaming device) the Retina display, A4 processor, and Gyro all make sense. The Camera, GPS, and FaceTime do not. Remember Steve wants you to buy Apple products. Why make something very similar to another product and risk cannibalizing that market? Remember the iPad? He made every effort to show that it is an in between device for a desktop and laptop. Why? He still wants you to buy Apple desktops and laptops.

All Apple products have specific markets. No one device is going to be the same.
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... the iphone4 is pretty much an ipod if you hold it correctly!

thanks for the morning laugh ~!
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The problem is with the thickness of iPods vs. iPhones. iPods are significantly thinner. This makes it more difficult to install a nice camera. It also makes it more difficult to install a larger battery to power the new Retina Display.

So, if they do include all those items in the next revision, I would see the girth increasing. That's something that has never happened to an iDevice. Not that I'm aware of anyway.
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The problem is with the thickness of iPods vs. iPhones. iPods are significantly thinner. This makes it more difficult to install a nice camera. It also makes it more difficult to install a larger battery to power the new Retina Display.

So, if they do include all those items in the next revision, I would see the girth increasing. That's something that has never happened to an iDevice. Not that I'm aware of anyway.

I am interested to see if they use the iPad design on the new iPod Touch with the aluminum curved backing and the black buttons. I mean they have to get rid of the chrome now, right?
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Hmmm...... I don't see iPod sales and margins decelerating any time soon, if this were to happen. (Ref. the couple of Andy Zaky pieces in AI recently).
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It seems weird that the nano has had a camera all this time and the touch still does not.

I think the Nano only got a camera last year, and its not a good camera. It competes with a simple non-HD version of Flip in the most rudimentary way. The real killer for Flip is that its likely good enough while also being an iPod, which Flip doesnt do.

The Touch not having a camera was a little surprising last year, but its not uncommon for a component to have supply issues. Maybe it was an artificial business reason, but we had reports of certain elements for the camera already being in short supply before the Touch was announced so its possible it was a supply issue combined with a need to make sure the iPhone had supply first.


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Apple has so many sleeper hits it's crazy... think they'll build FaceTime into iTunes soon?

That doesnt sound like a bad idea. Not into iTunes, but using your account as your unique ID for the FaceTime gateway server.


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iPod shuffle will get a camera, can't see it happening for the iPod Touch.

FaceTime Shuffle is Apples version of Chat Roulette?


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The unsubsidized iPhone is ridiculously overpriced. Yes all those features would raise the price, but to $600? Puhlease.

Its really not. If carriers are willing to pay for the privilege to subsidize the iPhone and users are willing to pay for the device and other vendors have to sell a lesser product at the same produce because they cant compete with Apples economy of scale and ecosystem, thats not Apples fault. Thats business; the competition needs to learn to engineer, produce, market and manage themselves better.


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I agree... Make it an iPhone without the phone part. Wouldn't that just be simpler? I know it would make everyone that buys them happy.

That is the iPod Touch. There are no cellular radios. You can use VoIP right now.

If you mean an iPod Touch that has GSM/UMTS radios for data, then that is the iPhone, except you are required by most carriers (maybe all) to get a voice plan. If AT&T offered it a plan like the Data Connect cards I might go for that, though have been $60/month for 5GB and I pay $69 for Unlimited data, so it might not be in my best interest.


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It would be awesome to see future MacBooks integrate an A4 processor and iOS side-by-side with OSX. The benefit would be an instant-on browsing/App experience for when full OSX is overkill. This could mean ridiculous battery life and further integration with iPhone/iPod.

Have you seen iPhone/Touch apps running on an iPad? They are awful. I deleted mine off my iPad right away. I would rather use Safari than the app. For a desktop its even worse, and dont even get me started on an iPhone app on the AppleTV.

Plus, there is already an emulator for testing an app on a Mac before you test it on an iDevice. You wouldnt need an A4 to make this happen.

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Since the Touch is likely getting Facetime, it's only a matter of time before we see iOS features spread across Apple's products. And contrary to some worries, I think it could actually help strengthen Mac/OSX with greater innovation spreading to that platform from the touch/mobile device space.

Note that Apple made FaceTime open immediately. I dont think well see iOS features on Mac OS X since iOS was designed for a smaller output and a completely unique input. Well see the efficient code of iOS on Mac OS X, like they did for QuickTime X, but that is all backend stuff, the front end will be dramatically different per my example.

I cant wait to see how FaceTime works. I think there has to be a gateway server involved. So far it looks like it requires a single call to register the device in some way, but I cant see Apple requiring it to be used only via a phone (plus its easily subverted) when so many different devices are internet capable. There has to be more to this story. I would expect 10.7 would get FaceTime built into iChat, but apps like Adium can add the protocol, too.
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I am interested to see if they use the iPad design on the new iPod Touch with the aluminum curved backing and the black buttons. I mean they have to get rid of the chrome now, right?

The irony is that Apple painted themselves into a corner by making the iPod Touch so thin. Now, it's impossible for them to put any significant technologies into it without making it thicker again. Again, that goes against their grain. It's un-Apple like to make bigger or thicker.
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Considering that the only ipod shown in that slide that already has a camera in is the nano, the slide says 'improved 5m pixel camera'


All speculation anyway, what does John Lewis know?

It's obvious that it's a matter of time before the Touch gets the iPhone features anyway.
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Same camera found in the iPhone 4 would be nice.

First take a look at the camera module on the iPhone 4 teardown picts. Will it cause Apple to make the touch thicker? Probably, which would go against Apple's nature. However, if they want to copy the design of the iPhone with the metal band and all, a thicker touch might be inevitable anyway.

Facetime...whatever, take it or leave it. If it makes the touch more expensive, I say leave it out. But I suspect Apple really wants to push the feature of their devices given they are making whole TV commercials about that one iPhone feature.

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That's a stretch. I'm hoping for GPS. Just for my running aps if nothing else.

Agreed. I'd rather have the GPS than the gyroscope any day. But I'm also curious how responsive the GPS would be if it doesn't have the cell network assistance for faster acquisition.

Apple also needs to up the storage. Not that I need 128 GB, but because I need the 64 GB model to drop to the mid-range to make it affordable.
post #36 of 77
I call BS.

Apple will never allow "an iPhone without the phone" touch. Touch is much more reasonably priced, considering its an unlocked iPhone. iPod is $199 unlocked iPhone 699. Hard to justify when the only difference is a gsm antenna (that only works if you hold it right.)
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I agree... Make it an iPhone without the phone part. Wouldn't that just be simpler? I know it would make everyone that buys them happy.

That is the iPod Touch. There are no cellular radios. You can use VoIP right now.

If you mean an iPod Touch that has GSM/UMTS radios for data, then that is the iPhone, except you are required by most carriers (maybe all) to get a voice plan. If AT&T offered it a plan like the Data Connect cards I might go for that, though have been $60/month for 5GB and I pay $69 for Unlimited data, so it might not be in my best interest.

Wrong... No GPS, no Gyroscope, no camera... It's NOT the iPhone minus the phone. Take out all the features that make the iPhone an actual phone and its 3G network chips, and call it an iPod Touch. Same apps work in either. Right now, some apps work in iPhone but not iPod Touch because they are not the same.
post #38 of 77
Let's see. . . .the touch is still a member of the iPod family, right? Well, Apple, how about finally addressing music playback sound quality? Radical, huh?

Offer better mid-range and bass, and a user-adjustable equalizer. Not exactly exotic stuff by 2010.

Whoever Apple uses to engineer and QA iPod sound quality is clearly not even remotely an audiophile-in-training. Cupertino's been too stubborn about this for too long.
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First take a look at the camera module on the iPhone 4 teardown picts. Will it cause Apple to make the touch thicker? Probably, which would go against Apple's nature. However, if they want to copy the design of the iPhone with the metal band and all, a thicker touch might be inevitable anyway.

Interesting. Does it behoove Apple to follow that same design. I'm not sure it could be mug thinner using that stacked silicon design. And perhaps the cost of the milling process and glass makes it prohibitively expensive at this point.

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Agreed. I'd rather have the GPS than the gyroscope any day. But I'm also curious how responsive the GPS would be if it doesn't have the cell network assistance for faster acquisition.

How much is the GPS chip as quoted by iSuppli. I seem to recall it being about $12. If so, that seems prohibitively expensive for a $199 device.

Additionally, won't people complain about the speed of the satellite-only positioning and lack of use without buying expensive mapping software from the App Store.

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Apple also needs to up the storage. Not that I need 128 GB, but because I need the 64 GB model to drop to the mid-range to make it affordable.

Unfortunatley doubling capacity every year or every two years isn't possible. I think we still have a NAND crunch since Apple and others are still growing too fast.

I wonder if an intermediate solutions, like using 64GB+32GB chips for a total of 96GB are viable and pragmatic.
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I call BS.

Apple will never allow "an iPhone without the phone" touch. Touch is much more reasonably priced, considering its an unlocked iPhone. iPod is $199 unlocked iPhone 699. Hard to justify when the only difference is a gsm antenna (that only works if you hold it right.)

Why? They do it now, sans camera and GSM/GPS radios.

And considering Facetime only works (currently) over Wifi, it should be a no brainer to add it to a new Touch, as long as it adds all the other features of the iPhone 4 (minus the GSM radio, and possibly GPS).

I have zero interest in an iPhone, but might upgrade to a new Touch, if it's the iPhone 4, without the phone part.
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