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More evidence of a FaceTime-enabled iPod touch appeared Thursday, when parts claimed to be from Apple's forthcoming handheld device surfaced online.

Two alleged iPod touch parts are listed on Alibaba.com, a global online business-to-business trading platform. One seller, Jack Telecom (HK) Co., includes the LCD screen and outside panel. It was listed under the name "lcd with digitizer for ipod touch 4gen."

The second seller, GDS Industry Co., Ltd., listed a product under the name "MP4 touch screen for Ipod touch 4g digitizer." It shows the exact same front panel, but does not include the LCD display.

Both front panels clearly show a hole above the screen, which would likely be used for a forward-facing camera to conduct a FaceTime video chat. Currently, FaceTime is available only on the iPhone 4.

But Apple's open FaceTime standard does not require a mobile signal in order to work. Users can initiate a FaceTime video chat on the iPhone 4 using only Wi-Fi, suggesting the transition to the iPod touch would not be difficult.



The pictures follow a rumor from earlier Thursday, in which U.K. retailer John Lewis said it heard from suppliers that Apple's next-generation iPod touch would include FaceTime capabilities. The retailer said FaceTime calling over Wi-Fi would allow iPod touch users to "communicate with friends at zero cost."

The parts did not give any indication whether other features claimed by John Lewis were true. The company said at its event in London that the new iPod touch would also include a 5 megapixel camera lens with flash, and would also be able to record high-definition video that could be uploaded directly to YouTube.



It also said that the fourth-generation iPod touch would include both an accelerometer and a gyroscope. The gyroscope was added to the iPhone 4, and allows games on the App Store to take advantage of more precise controls.
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This is great. Will they integrate a mic as well? That's missing from the current iPod Touch.

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to use the same body as the iPhone 4?
Or maybe the plan is to always use the body of the cheaper iPhone (3Gs).
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If this is true, Touch will be an even bigger hit with kids. I wonder if they can deploy Facetime (without the full iOS footprint) on Nano?
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If this is true, Touch will be an even bigger hit with kids. I wonder if they can deploy Facetime (without the full iOS footprint) on Nano?

that would require not only a forward facing camera, but wifi would need to be added aswel.
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This story was reported yesterday by another site:

http://technologme.com/new-ipods-com...cro-sims/1463/
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that would require not only a forward facing camera, but wifi would need to be added aswel.

All iPod touches already have WiFi - always have had.

I see all these features as logical steps for the touch. I would like to see a device with all the features of the iPhone 4 minus the phone. An iPod touch has pretty much always been that.
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All iPod touches already have WiFi - always have had.

I see all these features as logical steps for the touch. I would like to see a device with all the features of the iPhone 4 minus the phone. An iPod touch has pretty much always been that.

He's talking about the Nano.

I wonder how all these parts keep leaking out to the public.
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If substantiated and more widely known, this could really slow down current pad sales. I hope they release it quickly. This is why I haven't bought the current model--waiting for first major upgrade.
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post #9 of 37
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He's talking about the Nano.

I think the Nano getting WiFi is likely. Cisco is reportedly adding WiFi (and FaceTime) to the next Flip cameras.

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I wonder how all these parts keep leaking out to the public.

Considering that there are several countries and dozens of companies involved with the components, manufacturing and supply chain Im surprised they keep a much as they do secret.
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I think the Nano getting WiFi is likely. Cisco is reportedly adding WiFi (and FaceTime) to the next Flip cameras. ...

The Flip is quite a bit bigger than the iPhone though, which is again a whole lot bigger than a nano.
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This is great. Will they integrate a mic as well? That's missing from the current iPod Touch.

Wouldn't it be cheaper just to use the same body as the iPhone 4?
Or maybe the plan is to always use the body of the cheaper iPhone (3Gs).

While the two devices are similar, they are not the same. The Touch has a different back (shape and material). They may pull an iPhone and continue selling the previous version (completely different form factor) as the entry level Touch.

I'd venture to guess that the next Touch may end up looking like a smaller iPad. I could easily see them switching to an aluminum back ala iPad.

All I can say for certain is that my son will probably be begging for one.
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post #12 of 37
Thought that little hole was for the ambient light sensor.
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Thought that little hole was for the ambient light sensor.

The ambient light sensor has no hole. It is behind the glass on the current model.
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That will be so nice. I plan to buy one for my daughter and will hold off until the refresh. It would be nice if the refresh were sooner than the typical September timeframe.
post #15 of 37
I'm more interested in the design. Will it be the new ice cream sandwich look of the iPhone 4 but with a stainless steel back? Will it have the new antenna?
post #16 of 37
Surprise... NOT!

To expect the next iPod Touch to be anything less/more than a a 4th Gen iPhone sans phone capabilities is just naive.
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Surprise... NOT!

To expect the next iPod Touch to be anything less/more than a a 4th Gen iPhone sans phone capabilities is just naive.

I think every iPod Touch has had a feature the iPhone didnt have from that year.
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The ambient light sensor has no hole. It is behind the glass on the current model.

If I hold my 2nd Gen Touch to the light I can see a hole in the black area. It's slightly right of centre and near the top.
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If next year's iPad gets a Retina Display and FaceTime, I will so buy one.
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It could be a light sensor.

If they do stick a camera inside I think it would be a backwards facing camera. Otherwise you need two, cause having a camera for facetime only is not a good idea (it will be used once or twice a month at best considering only iphone 4 for now).
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Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post

If next year's iPad gets a Retina Display and FaceTime, I will so buy one.

You aren't alone. Affordable FaceTime device? Wow!

And next year the iPad. Count on it.

(I wondered why they didn't have a forward facing camera on the iPad. Now I know; they're fazing FaceTime on.)
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...they're fazing FaceTime on.)

I meant they're fazing FaceTIme IN.
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I meant they're fazing FaceTIme IN.

You mean "phasing in" not "fazing in" or "on."

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With Facetime enabled on an Ipod, it would require a mike.

So what this really is is the next ipod. An Ipod phone. It is a communication device that does not need the cell phone company's. It is a short cut around them. It will need Wifi only, and that continues to proliferate.

So I think this will be the next generation communication device. With no cell phone bill, and video to boot.

Now, would a cloud computer help with all that?
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

It could be a light sensor.

If they do stick a camera inside I think it would be a backwards facing camera. Otherwise you need two, cause having a camera for facetime only is not a good idea (it will be used once or twice a month at best considering only iphone 4 for now).

Are you kidding me?

The front-facing camera would help people with their Facebook/MySpace/online dating self-portraits and "here's me with my BFF" shots. The front-facing camera would be heavily used. It might not improve the quality of those photos, but at least you don't have to take a shot, flip your camera around to see if you got the composition right three, four, five times in a row.

People are already using their iPhone 4 cameras for this purpose.
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If next year's iPad gets a Retina Display and FaceTime, I will so buy one.

Seems improbable to me. Even if they went with 4x the pixel count like they did going from the 3GS to iPhone 4 display, it still wont be in Retina Display level, but I doubt many will complain about and it will be incredible.

Perhaps more importantly is when will Resolution Independence and IPS displays come to Mac notebooks. IPS has been prohibitively expensive and power hungry, but with iMacs and iPads using them the time is right. And if RI comes to 10.7 then we can start to get higher resolution displays for all machines.
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post #27 of 37
Is there any reason why Apple couldn't introduce Facetime onto the Mac? I believe all Macs now have a built in iSight (except of course the Mini), which I would assume could be used to initiate Facetime calls.

I would have thought it in Apples interest to get Facetime into as many users hands as possible, since it will then be more likely to gain the critical mass needed to make it worth other manufacturers implementing it. I know Apple have made it an open standard, but I assume the likes of say Nokia wouldn't implement it unless it was going into a big enough user base.
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Originally Posted by 801 View Post

With Facetime enabled on an Ipod, it would require a mike.

So what this really is is the next ipod. An Ipod phone. It is a communication device that does not need the cell phone company's. It is a short cut around them. It will need Wifi only, and that continues to proliferate.

So I think this will be the next generation communication device. With no cell phone bill, and video to boot.

Now, would a cloud computer help with all that?

I would LOVE to see this. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile - you are now just ISPs. Good luck charging 20 cents for 140 bytes of bandwidth now.
post #29 of 37
I WANT this
ipod touch face time 4g/7g device
double the memory

add a nano face time phone and my life will be sweet as a ipad and apple pie

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Are you kidding me?

The front-facing camera would help people with their Facebook/MySpace/online dating self-portraits and "here's me with my BFF" shots. The front-facing camera would be heavily used. It might not improve the quality of those photos, but at least you don't have to take a shot, flip your camera around to see if you got the composition right three, four, five times in a row.

People are already using their iPhone 4 cameras for this purpose.

Camwhoring, it's called. Big in Asia and of course many other places. Not meaning people are using it to sell sexual services per se (though I am sure AssTime will be big and is probably already happening, and one notch below that "sexting" is taken to another level), camwhoring is just a term to mean massively narcissistic taking of a huge amount of pictures of yourself and your bff/ bf.

So yeah, front facing camera = unprecedented camwhoring.
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Is there any reason why Apple couldn't introduce Facetime onto the Mac? I believe all Macs now have a built in iSight (except of course the Mini), which I would assume could be used to initiate Facetime calls.

I would have thought it in Apples interest to get Facetime into as many users hands as possible, since it will then be more likely to gain the critical mass needed to make it worth other manufacturers implementing it. I know Apple have made it an open standard, but I assume the likes of say Nokia wouldn't implement it unless it was going into a big enough user base.

I'm sure Apple is working on it as we speak. It might be a 10.7 feature only, to get you to buy 10.7 and also because Apple is evil that way...
post #32 of 37
The camera has me interested. If Apple includes a GPS and keeps the price reasonable, I'll retire my 2-g iPod touch. Otherwise, I'll wait.
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Is it possible Apple will install 3G similar to the iPad on the Touch? That would be great month-to-month 3G, and no long term contract.

That would make it an iPad Mini
post #34 of 37
I have to admit I'm interested to see what they do with the new Touch. I'm going to be in the market for a new iPod soon, since my first generation Touch is starting to fail me (battery is starting to struggle to hold charge), and having bought an iPad, I was thinking that a Nano would be the device of choice now, but if the Touch comes up with something compelling, that might change.
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If next year's iPad gets a Retina Display and FaceTime, I will so buy one.

I don't think the hardware can handle it.

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post #36 of 37
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The camera has me interested. If Apple includes a GPS and keeps the price reasonable, I'll retire my 2-g iPod touch. Otherwise, I'll wait.

Reasonable price, that's the key issue. Personally, I'd love the Facetime iPod - but two cameras, gyroscope, better speaker and microphone, all that will make the iPod significantly more expensive. A large number of iPod users don't care about those features, they just want to play music. Sure, the Nano's great for those folks, but will Apple risk opening an even bigger price gulf between the two? If the iPod Touch is $299+, won't that kill a lot of sales?
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Give me the retina display with built in satellite GPS and that cool compass and I'll be a happy camper.
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