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Originally Posted by bangtickboom View Post

I pretty much agree with you here, and I'd love an alternative for most of the things Flash is used for, heck all of them if that's possible without some sort of plugin.

But the thing I don't understand is why you, and many other, assume that everyone else will "be much happier". How do you know if that's true? We simply don't know, so just let the market work things out, give consumers the freedom to choose for themselves. They're already doing that using flash blockers and moving to support HTML5 and/or other things.

People that don't like Flash, or any other plugin for that matter, don't have to see it or use it, there's no force involved whatsoever.

Well, the market will sort it out, and they do have the freedom to choose for themselves: to buy an iPhone or iPad or not, for example. We haven't been discussing the mechanism of how Flash and other plug-ins will be obsoleted, just why or why not it's desirable.
post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by mstone;

Your perspective is far too emotional in my opinion. When I see a page that asks for a plug-in, I don't hate, I just move on. I'd like to see a show of hands from the Flash haters. How many of you have removed the plug-in from your browser? None, because you might what to see something in Flash from time to time. The Internet is like a big city. You may like a quiet peaceful neighborhood but someone else might prefer the neon lights and loud music of the downtown scene. There should be room for everyone to enjoy life, no reason to hate.

Funny you should ask. I removed flash from my browser 2 weeks ago. I figured I should give it a shot. So far so good! Will I keep it off? Probably not. With 8 cores on my desktop I can afford to lose one to adobe bloat.

Ps. I thought your first post was pretty emotional itself, just dripping with glee & spite! Well played!
post #43 of 50
If Adobe offered a tool that would create HTML5/JS content instead of a Flash object, I would buy it on the day of release.
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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

If Adobe offered a tool that would create HTML5/JS content instead of a Flash object, I would buy it on the day of release.

They have other web dev apps, but I agree that it would be in their beat interest to have a complete package.

There is no all-or-nothing scenario here and these fast evolving web solutions are still going to need to support Flash for the excessive number of old systems running old browsers for many years. Adobe is in the best position to offer this complete development platform to meet pretty much every web browser in use today and tomorrow.
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post #45 of 50
There's so much wrong with this article I don't even know where to begin.

It's sickening to see how Apple are trying to steal everything Adobe have accomplished.
post #46 of 50
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Originally Posted by Yawnstretch View Post

There's so much wrong with this article I don't even know where to begin.

It's sickening to see how Apple are trying to steal everything Adobe have accomplished.

Funniest post of the thread.
post #47 of 50
The one problem with any ideas that sproutcore could replace flash is where is the drag and drop IDE for making the apps. Without that your basically asking developers to make there lives hard.

Also anyone thinking that this is bad for adobe could be mistaken. At the moment they can't get on the iPhone and iPad because it doesn't support flash. But adobe doesn't make money from the flash player they get it from the flash IDE. Other people make flash ide's but adobes is the most popular as it's what developers know. So this could be just what adobe needs. They could just add export to sproutcore to the flash IDE and job done. Loads of flash developers now producing for the iPhone.
post #48 of 50
First you have to have a working infrastructure, then you can layer drag and drop on top of it. A well designed infrastructure makes the D-n-D layer straightforward to implement. A poorly designed infrastructure makes it a real bitch.

I'm working on a project with these type of overall late stage goals for 3D interactive content. We already have some D-n-D tools from a related, and working, earlier project and those that worked on that have the psychological scars to back up the need for well designed under the hood first. That's why we are currently ignoring the pretty GUIfied aspects for doing the right things underneath.

If SproutCore ends up all that and a bag of chips, somebody will work up a GUI driven IDE front end. But at the moment it is really only getting started in its serious work.

As for just making a Flash IDE output SproutCore. That's like putting Wii controllers onto an XBox. Sure it can be done by somebody with the proper technical skills, but it still won't work very well because both ends of the hybrid-system were designed with different philosophies.
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post #49 of 50
me.com
thecodeboutique.com
tasks.sproutcore.com
iwork.com
touch.sproutcore.com/hedwig

and some more that I can't find.

This framework is unlike anything else on the web. I can't wait to see what developers will make with sproutcore.
post #50 of 50
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Originally Posted by sparkey109 View Post

Is there a program that if you write something in HTML5 that will convert it to Flash for all those flash and other websites? If that is the case then it seems like to me people could just write it once and convert the other way. I wonder how Adobe would like that?

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Originally Posted by v5v View Post

If Adobe offered a tool that would create HTML5/JS content instead of a Flash object, I would buy it on the day of release.

Adobe offers absolutely nada to create html5, no javascript, certainly flash CS5 has no methods to export to canvas whatsoever. It was written on a blog so it must be true!!

C'mon guys, at least pretend to look into it somewhat...

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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

The one problem with any ideas that sproutcore could replace flash is where is the drag and drop IDE for making the apps. Without that your basically asking developers to make there lives hard.

Also anyone thinking that this is bad for adobe could be mistaken. At the moment they can't get on the iPhone and iPad because it doesn't support flash. But adobe doesn't make money from the flash player they get it from the flash IDE. Other people make flash ide's but adobes is the most popular as it's what developers know. So this could be just what adobe needs. They could just add export to sproutcore to the flash IDE and job done. Loads of flash developers now producing for the iPhone.

Someone gets it.
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