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I've recently been very into the alt.country music scene. Wilco, Son Volt, Uncle Tupelo (the previous two's daddy), Hank III, a little Mojo Nixon and Ryan Adams thrown in for good measure.

Who am I Missing? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
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post #2 of 33
Steve Earle, Kieran Kane, The Backsliders
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post #3 of 33
Groverat...is there ANYTHING you don't listen too :o
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I've recently been very into the alt.country music scene. Wilco, Son Volt, Uncle Tupelo (the previous two's daddy), Hank III, a little Mojo Nixon and Ryan Adams thrown in for good measure.

Who am I Missing? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most of those guys, to me at least, are more roots rock, but I won't quibble w/ classification. How about some of the guys who've been around for a while, like Robert Earle Keen, and the dearly departed Townes Van Zandt? What are your parameters for inclusion? I'll be more helpful w/ more guidance.

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post #5 of 33
I got into this scene back when I first heard Uncle Tupelo in the early 90's. Old 97's, Jayhawks and Bottle Rockets might interest you. Check out The Waco Brothers at: <a href="http://www.bloodshotrecords.com/" target="_blank">Bloodshot Records</a>. Also take a look at The Handsome Family <a href="http://www.carrottoprecords.com/artists/handsome/index.html" target="_blank">Carrot Top Records</a>.
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post #6 of 33
Don't forget the Derailers! Also, there's some of the older, pre "Car Wheels..." Lucinda Williams stuff.
post #7 of 33
I can't believe I forgot The Derailers. I love thier version of Raspberry Beret. I define the category in iTunes now as Americana. I keep expanding the definition. It now includes Steve Earle, Robert Earl Keen, Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Townes Van Zandt, Lucinda, Emmylou, Junior Brown, Billy Joe Shaver and is still growing.
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post #8 of 33
Actually, that is the best kind of music going right now. Why? It's more rock than rock, and often more country than country. At least in how modern Top 40 radio defines "rock" and "country".



I can't tell you the last time I actually heard a country song on a country station! I think pedal steels have been outlawed from Hot New Country 94.7FM or whatever...



You also have people like Iris Dement, Gillian Welch and Rosie Flores who are really good too.
post #9 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Actually, that is the best kind of music going right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now that's music to my ears.

There are a whole bunch of good artists on Bloodshot... Alejandro Escovedo (who we opened for once! Woo!). Neko Case. Sally Timms (we cover one of hers). Even Jerry Garcia was doing some very cool stuff outside of the Dead not long before he died.

The Backsliders... would that be Bo Ramsey and the Backsliders, or another group with the same name?

I don't know if Split Lip Rayfield or Jon Wayne qualify as alt country - they're more cowpunk - but I'll add them anyway.
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post #10 of 33
pscates, you keep reminding me of everyone I forget. Those ladies are in my playlists as well as Kasey Chambers. Have you heard of The Fountains? I think they might be from San Diego. I tracked down a CD of theirs just to get the song "Talks American". We'd be really remiss if we didn't mention Gram Parsons, the guy who is probably the real father of this genre.


A few more obscure ones:
Steam Donkeys
The Rivermen

Finally, I'd like to recommend everyone to find a really good AAA radio station. Mine is WCBE (a NPR station) in Columbus. Despite the impression my list above gives, I have very diverse musical taste and its mostly due to these guys. This is where I first heard Uncle Tupelo and most of the other bands listed. My favorite DJ's have left the station, but the music is still the great mix.

PS- Sorry, I meant to mention the other bands at Bloodshot. It's my current favorite label.

[ 04-25-2002: Message edited by: murk ]</p>
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post #11 of 33
I don't want to expand your list too much, but I think there might be a couple of mainstream artists that still hold true to real country or at least play in its tradition. I'm thinking of Dwight Yoakam and Allison Kraus and Union Station. Of course, AKUS is more Bluegrass than rootsy like the bulk of your list. And there's always Lyle Lovett.
You should get on the internet and listen to "Roots and Branches" on WETS out of Johnson City, TN. Its thick w/ Bluegrass, Americana, and Old Time music.

How about the Mavericks? Maybe a little pop-y.
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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
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Now that's music to my ears.

There are a whole bunch of good artists on Bloodshot... Alejandro Escovedo (who we opened for once! Woo!). Neko Case. Sally Timms (we cover one of hers). Even Jerry Garcia was doing some very cool stuff outside of the Dead not long before he died.

The Backsliders... would that be Bo Ramsey and the Backsliders, or another group with the same name?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://www.gumbopages.com/music/backsliders.html" target="_blank">The Backsliders</a> I'm talking about are from North Carolina. Bo Ramsey isn't a member. I'm not really that familiar with Bo Ramsey's stuff. There's an Aussie band that goes by that name too but I have no idea what they sound like. Go <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/dds/track.asp?rid=146&listen" target="_blank">here</a> to listen to the guys I'm talking about.

You're right about Jerry Garcia too. He was totally into the whole roots thing.

[ 04-25-2002: Message edited by: roger_ramjet ]</p>
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post #13 of 33
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Wow, I was expecting maybe 1 reply from pscates, you guys are all over it.

I'm not a genre purist usually, so rockabilly, cowpunk, psychobilly, etc... would all generally fall under the alt.country classification. If it sounds good and isn't straight country (which I know all about already ) then fire away with names and recommended songs.

I have all the suggestions in a list and I will be looking them up soon. (As a side note, my oldest brother is a Jimmy Dale Gilmore fanatic.)

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[quote]Groverat...is there ANYTHING you don't listen too<hr></blockquote>

I have 30g of mp3s, that's 7,200 files. If that tells you anything. (A large portion of that is from my 120+ CDs being ripped...)

I can't think of a genre I don't like, but there are definitely tons of "artists" I hate. I even like pop pablum if it's well made and not shoved in my face on television.

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post #14 of 33
Murk, good catch with Kasey Chambers. I saw her at SXSW last spring and she was incredible. Good debut CD, too. Good set of pipes on her.

[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Wow, I was expecting maybe 1 reply from pscates, you guys are all over it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I've been tending that way for some years now. Iowa will do that to you. Although, the town I came from (Northampton, MA) has also been doing alt.country for years. If you can find a CD by the Blood Oranges, that's NoHo alt country from 1990 (it's also a decent CD).

[quote]<strong>I'm not a genre purist usually, so rockabilly, cowpunk, psychobilly, etc... would all generally fall under the alt.country classification. If it sounds good and isn't straight country (which I know all about already ) then fire away with names and recommended songs.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Going old school, you have Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys, Big Sandy and his Fly-Right Boys, pretty much anything Doc Watson ever touched. There's a bluegrass compilation called "O Sister!" in answer to the "O Brother!" soundtrack, which has all female singers. That's worth checking out. It's got several tracks by the Carter Family, who are definitely worth a listen.

I'm missing the name of a legendary high-octane rockabilly act. From Texas, I believe. Damn.

I might as well mention some local acts (some of whom are a lot bigger than local now: Bo Ramsey, for one, co-produced and played on Lucinda Williams' latest album):

<a href="http://www.boramsey.com/" target="_blank">Bo Ramsey</a>, <a href="http://www.trailer-records.com/artists/brown.shtml" target="_blank">Greg Brown</a>, <a href="http://www.trailer-records.com/artists/zollo.shtml" target="_blank">Dave Zollo</a>, <a href="http://www.mikeandamyfinders.com/" target="_blank">Mike and Amy Finders</a>, and *cough* my own band, the <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/mayflies" target="_blank">Mayflies of Johnson County</a> [link to our EP; site pending].

There are more, but that's off the top of my head. How about more links! It's good to hear about another Backsliders. What else is out there?

[quote]<strong>I can't think of a genre I don't like, but there are definitely tons of "artists" I hate. I even like pop pablum if it's well made and not shoved in my face on television.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here here! That's pretty much me, too.
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post #15 of 33
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[quote]I'm missing the name of a legendary high-octane rockabilly act. From Texas, I believe. Damn.<hr></blockquote>

I believe you are referring to my spiritual advisor, The Reverend Horton Heat.

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post #16 of 33
There's <a href="http://www.dalewatson.com/" target="_blank">Dale Watson</a> also.

Check out <a href="http://www.nodepression.net/" target="_blank">No Depression's website</a>. They'll probably have TONS of reviews, recommendations, etc.

Of course, something tells me you probably already have...

post #17 of 33
Ok, if you're going to throw doc watson into the clambake, I'll suggest Jerry Douglas.
You must hear his version of "Hey Joe" on his album "Slide Rule."

Goin' to Merlefest this weekend! (merlefest.org) Are you jealous?

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Hadn't seen that before, p, thanks for the link.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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I believe you are referring to my spiritual advisor, The Reverend Horton Heat.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes!!!

An old band of mine was asked to open for him at 1st Avenue in Mpls, but we had to decline. I've regretted that for years.
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post #20 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>[I might as well mention some local acts (some of whom are a lot bigger than local now: Bo Ramsey, for one, co-produced and played on Lucinda Williams' latest album):

Bo Ramsey, Greg Brown, Dave Zollo, Mike and Amy Finders, and *cough* my own band, the Mayflies of Johnson County [link to our EP; site pending].</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're a member of the Mayflies, Amorph? That's weird. I haven't seen you guys, but I've definitely heard a lot about you.

Mike and Amy Finders are awesome! A great addition to I.C. scene. I would definitely recommend their new CD for you alt.country fans. I think they're better than a lot of bands with national recognition. Of course someone like Greg Brown doesn't need my endorsement.
post #21 of 33
[quote]Originally posted by Thoth2:
<strong>Goin' to Merlefest this weekend! (merlefest.org) Are you jealous?

Thoth</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ohmigosh, I used to go to that! When I lived in Tennessee (before I moved to SoCal), I went to that (formerly called the Merle Watson Memorial Bluegrass Festival). I went four times in five years. We always stayed at that Days Inn directly across from the grounds!



I had a BLAST there. I'd go with my dad and girlfriend and we'd have a great weekend.

I met (and got autographs from) Bill Monroe, Emmylou Harris, Marty Stuart, Carl Jackson, Vince Gill, Mark O'Connor, Jerry Douglas, Tony Rice and Sam Bush!

The coolest thing ever? About 2-3 years before Vince Gill really struck it big, he, along with Mark O'Connor, Jerry Douglas, Emory Gordy, Jr. and Carl Jackson played with Emmylou as her Angel Band. OHMIGOSH! They were SO on that day! Incredible, kick-ass acoustic/bluegrass versions of "Luxury Liner", "From Boulder to Birmingham", "Amarillo", "Blue Kentucky Girl", etc.

The following year, she was there with her Nash Ramblers, playing a more revved-up acoustic country (Jon Randall, Sam Bush, Roy Huskey, Jr., Al Perkins).

I knew who Vince Gill was and I saw him walking out amongst the vendors and booths, hours before their set. Remember, he hadn't struck it big yet (this was a good two years before "When I Call Your Name"), but I recognized him from Nashville Network, early CMT, Rodney Crowell's band, etc. Plus, he'd had some albums out...just no major hits.

I walked up to him and said "you're my favorite guitarist EVER!" and he was like "Really?!?".



My dad took a picture of me and Vince Gill standing there (still have it). He's wearing a black Roy Orbison T-shirt and he seemed genuinely shocked that someone knew and approached him. He was really nice and stood there and talked to us for about 10 minutes. Said he was having a blast and that he loves playing with Emmylou every chance he gets. We talked about guitars and amps too.



Two years later, BAM...he was HUGE. And the hits haven't stopped. I've met him twice since then.

Merlefest is a BLAST! I rode a shuttle bus with Bela Fleck and David Grissom one afternoon. Cool stuff: little mini-clinics, tons of campsite/parking lot jamming, etc.

I haven't been in 8 years. I hear it's gotten HUGE! I went the first year, actually, and it was quite small and laidback.

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post #22 of 33
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Wow, amorph, you guys are good! I was pleasantly surprised.

What do you play? Guitar? Drums? Vocal Chords?

My <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ftmband" target="_blank">friends</a> are also selling a CD at CDBaby.com, they certainly aren't anything approaching the genre of this thread, but it's a small world.

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What I really like about countryish music is how raw it sounds. You get a few instruments together, pick an emotion and it seems like it's all very natural. The highest highs and the lowest lows, kind of thing.

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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
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Ohmigosh, I used to go to that! When I lived in Tennessee (before I moved to SoCal), I went to that (formerly called the Merle Watson Memorial Bluegrass Festival). I went four times in five years. We always stayed at that Days Inn directly across from the grounds!



I had a BLAST there. I'd go with my dad and girlfriend and we'd have a great weekend.

I met (and got autographs from) Bill Monroe, Emmylou Harris, Marty Stuart, Carl Jackson, Vince Gill, Mark O'Connor, Jerry Douglas, Tony Rice and Sam Bush!

The coolest thing ever? About 2-3 years before Vince Gill really struck it big, he, along with Mark O'Connor, Jerry Douglas, Emory Gordy, Jr. and Carl Jackson played with Emmylou as her Angel Band. OHMIGOSH! They were SO on that day! Incredible, kick-ass acoustic/bluegrass versions of "Luxury Liner", "From Boulder to Birmingham", "Amarillo", "Blue Kentucky Girl", etc.

The following year, she was there with her Nash Ramblers, playing a more revved-up acoustic country (Jon Randall, Sam Bush, Roy Huskey, Jr., Al Perkins).

I knew who Vince Gill was and I saw him walking out hours before their set. Remember, he hadn't struck it big yet (this was a good two years before "When I Call Your Name"), but I recognized him from Nashville Network, early CMT, Rodney Crowell's band, etc. Plus, he'd had some albums out...just no major hits.

I walked up to him and said "you're my favorite guitarist EVER!" and my dad took a picture of me and Vince Gill standing there. He's wearing a black Roy Orbison T-shirt and he seemed genuinely shocked that someone knew and approached him.

Two years later, BAM...he was HUGE. And the hits haven't stopped. I've met him twice since then.

Merlefest is a BLAST! I road a shuttle bus with Bela Fleck and David Grissom one afternoon. Cool stuff: little mini-clinics, tons of campsite/parking lot jamming, etc.

I haven't been in 8 years. I hear it's gotten HUGE! I went the first year, actually, and it was quite small and laidback.</strong><hr></blockquote>

As if I wasn't already dying w/ anticipation. Vince is a great player - I lover his version of "High Lonesome sound" (that's the name I think).
Anyway, I'm going to see AKUS, Allison Brown, Jerry Douglas, Sam Bush (a repeat offender apparently) and to discover some new faves.
I'm not going to be part of the pickin' tent this year, but maybe next year.
I'll make sure to ride the bus and see if I meet some famous people!
I'll post a report on Monday.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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Wow, amorph, you guys are good! I was pleasantly surprised.

What do you play? Guitar? Drums? Vocal Chords?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Aw, thanks. I'm the drummer.

[quote]Originally posted by Simple Ranger:
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You're a member of the Mayflies, Amorph? That's weird. I haven't seen you guys, but I've definitely heard a lot about you. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Glad to hear it.

We're in the latter stages of recording a new, full-length CD, so gigs are a bit scarce right now. I should have a site up in the next few days, and there'll be a [link to a] calendar.

We'll be at the California Clipper in Chicago on June 14th. That's not our next gig, but it's the only one substantial enough to mention here.

Oh, and Mike and Amy will be on our CD! They've agreed to do guest vocals on a Neil Young song, "One of These Days." I agree, they're amazing.

[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
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The coolest thing ever? About 2-3 years before Vince Gill really struck it big, he, along with Mark O'Connor, Jerry Douglas, Emory Gordy, Jr. and Carl Jackson played with Emmylou as her Angel Band. OHMIGOSH! They were SO on that day! Incredible, kick-ass acoustic/bluegrass versions of "Luxury Liner", "From Boulder to Birmingham", "Amarillo", "Blue Kentucky Girl", etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Daaaaamn. That's a band. :eek: Any recordings? I've gotta hear that. Emmylou has such a beautiful voice.

Speaking of Mark O'Connor, even though it's really pushing the bounds of the genre here, I have to put a plug in for Appalachia Waltz. It's better than the reviews said it was.

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post #25 of 33
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I am also hell-bent on getting my girlfriend to appreciate the music of her heritage. Born and raised in a &lt;14,000 person town and hates country music because she thinks it's all Tim McGraw and Little Texas. *sigh*

I've been warming her up to the theory with a little folk-rocking stuff, but God help me there will be a day we'll both be jamming to Emmylou in the car!
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>I am also hell-bent on getting my girlfriend to appreciate the music of her heritage. Born and raised in a &lt;14,000 person town and hates country music because she thinks it's all Tim McGraw and Little Texas. *sigh*

I've been warming her up to the theory with a little folk-rocking stuff, but God help me there will be a day we'll both be jamming to Emmylou in the car!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, here's a thought. Rent the movie "the Songcatcher." Its enough of a chick movie that she'll get suckered into the music, and as a music lover, you'll appreciate the movie for the story of music's role in the life of simple people.

Amorph: I'm not sure, but I think Merlefest has rules similar to Austin City limits about recording. Like, there are none allowed. Teluride has some recordings though and heavy hitters go there.

It is my understanding that there are bands of that strength every night at the "midnight jam" at Merlefest. You ought to get in your car and drive to Statesville, NC!!!
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Yeah, I seem to recall a pretty strict "no recording" policy at Wilkesboro. But I'm sure lots of people did.
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[quote]Originally posted by Thoth2:
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Amorph: I'm not sure, but I think Merlefest has rules similar to Austin City limits about recording. Like, there are none allowed. Teluride has some recordings though and heavy hitters go there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No surprise, really. I'm just interested in any recordings by that lineup, no matter where they were (including the studio).

[quote]<strong>It is my understanding that there are bands of that strength every night at the "midnight jam" at Merlefest. You ought to get in your car and drive to Statesville, NC!!!
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Love to, but at this short notice it's not gonna happen.

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post #29 of 33
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Why no recording? That's pretty weak, music is meant to be heard.

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I don't know if this will make the purists' stomachs turn, but Ryan Adams' Gold is fantastic.

Grab "Touch, Feel and Lose" and "When The Stars Go Blue" off Audiogalaxy if you've got broadband. (Also grab "Answering Bell" and see if you can guess the background singer)

I won't be buying many CDs for a month or so, I'm dirt poor right now and I've bought 4 in the last month that I really couldn't afford. Yikes.

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alternative country is my favorite genre right now and 80% of what I listen to every day.

WFUV 90.7 is mostly alternative country and has the best mix of music of any station I have heard. It's Fordham U's stations it just plain simply rocks

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FYI, Merlefest is broadcasting live on XM Satelite Radio. THe festival started weds, so its going on right now for you to listen to if you have such capability. If you hear someone screaming "WOOOOHOOOOOO!" That's probably me. Or some other redneck.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:

<strong>Wow, amorph, you guys are good! </strong><hr></blockquote>

Ditto that! Thats good stuff!

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post #33 of 33
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Thanks to my good friend Mr. Intarweb I am now swimming around in a beautiful playlist of 20+ hours of alt.country/rockabilly/psychobilly/rootsrock/folkrock/blahblah

Hooray for my favorite radio station!
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