Originally Posted by cgrisar
I Was a fine supporter of Apple since the beginning
Bought from them
Mac SE II
Bought their stock at 9
Sold it at 270 after SJ told it's not the phone that's the problem but that the consumer is the problem.
And I owned 25,000,000,000 shares of Microsoft stock and sold it when they released Vista. And I'm the one who told Google to go into search. And Santa Clause asks my opinion on tough 'naughty or nice' cases.
Isn't the Internet wonderful? You can claim anything you wish.
Originally Posted by RationalTroll
Clue: Of course Apple can do whatever they want in their forums. It's about how desperate they look when they're doing it, all the while denying they have a hardware problem.
Do you have proof that there's a hardware problem? Or are you just spewing the same FUD you've heard from elsewhere?
Originally Posted by StLBluesFan
How hard is it to understand? Everything about the iPhone 4 is top-notch, with the exception of one niggling problem that can actually affect, you know, PHONE CALLS. You expect a phone with that kind of problem, albeit the only problem, to receive a recommendation? Fix the problem, it will be retested and no doubt receive CRs highest recommendation.
That is not correct. Both CR and Anand state that the iPhone is better than other phones for phone calls. It's just not as much better if you hold it in a certain way.
Originally Posted by anonymouse
I really wish people who have never read 1984
and have absolutely no idea what the book is about would stop using it as an analogy for anything they don't like. For one thing, it trivializes the issues actually raised in 1984
. But, mostly, in this instance, it utterly and completely mischaracterizes Apple's actions. I know ignorance gives a certain freedom to be a fool, but it would really be best to resist the temptation and talk about what you know, not what you don't.
Yes, but it's a good guide to which posts you can ignore because they're coming from ignorant twits. It's generally easy to sort out the posts from people who don't know what they're talking about, but that's one more clue to make it easier.
Originally Posted by dannybrook
This is the kind of "reporting" that is nothing more than sensational pot stirring.
Dropping the "Recommended" rating is hardly the same thing as doing a 180 and advising consumers not to buy. It is the highest rated phone even with the reception problem taken into account. Can't get any better than that without a Recommended rating. CR chooses not to recommend when, in their opinion, there is a problem that needs to be fixed. If it was a 180, it would be near the bottom of the list. It is merely saying fix the antenna problem even though it is just slightly worse than most other phones.
I'd rather have an iPhone any day, and frankly I imagine most folks put theirs in a case of some sort, thus it will be a non-issue.
That's all true - but it doesn't give the Apple haters ammunition. I think Google, HTC, and RIM are actively stirring up trouble. Look at some of the post profiles of people here.
Originally Posted by Avidfcp
Sorry but a cheap Toyota vs any American auto in the sameprice classis going to get spanked by Toyota. You have to spend $45,000 or more for a decent US auto and even then, your 45,000 is getting you a $25k car.
That's absolute nonsense. My current car is a Lexus. The car before that was a Buick Enclave. Before that, a different Lexus. Before that, an Acura. The Buick is every bit as good a car as the Lexus before and after it (in fact, it was better than the first Lexus I owned). Characterization of the Enclave as a "25 K car" is purely an indication that you don't know what you're talking about.
American car quality has, in general, improved a great deal. Several of the top rated cars are now American and the best American cars are certainly in the same ballpark as Honda or Toyota.
Originally Posted by str1f3
Apple's forums have been known to remove negative topics for any of their products well before this. This has little to do with the CR in particular though it is the point of the article.
That's true. Apple has always tried to limit their support forums to support questions and weed out the whiners and FUDsters. Why is it news (other than the Android fans are up in arms because they're losing one place to spread their FUD)?