Originally Posted by ascii
Wouldn't it be funny if everyone thought this was going to damage Apple's reputation and it ended up damaging Consumer Report's?
That's happened already. In March, all we heard was that lack of Flash would cause the iPad to fail. In April, it was 'lack of Flash is a serious deficiency'. By June, it was 'who needs Flash?'.
Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss
Ah, the good old "for instance" proof.
Yes, CR has made mistakes. But the point I'm making here is that some people judge whether they're right or have made an error in their testing by whether they agree with the results.
No, that's simply your bias. Some of us evaluate things more accurately than that. For example, I used to have a Lexus ES330. I liked the car and CR liked the car. But their evaluation of the car was stupid-just like their evaluation of most cars. The more I read CR, the more random their results seem to be. They pick one key feature and let that feature override everything else.
Much like Motor Trend. I love the reviews where a car will be better than the BMW it's being compared to in virtually every criterion, but they'll still give the award to the BMW simply because it's from BMW (they'll use some excuse like 'it's more fun to drive', but it essentially comes down to a massive bias).
Originally Posted by WaltFrench
I'm a long-time CR subscriber. I believe they're truly unbiased and very careful about criteria that they think match their readers' needs, even if the reports are simplified so much you can hardly tell.
I don't think CR is inherently biased. Rather, I think they're simply incompetent. They come up with bogus tests and then act like their test is the only thing that matters - even after the test can be proven to give false results. I think they TRY to be fair, but just don't know how. After all, how many REAL scientists want to be working at CR dumping dirty clothes into a washing machine?
The real problem with CR (and other consumer organizations) is that they see a hot topic and want to jump on board. They did it with SUV roll-overs, and damaged their credibility because of their zeal. Same thing is happening here.
Originally Posted by bsenka
If anything, I was being cautious and giving them the benefit of the doubt. Faking tests is something they've been caught doing.
Suzuki says they had them on tape instructing the testers to make the Samurai roll over no matter what. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-717209.html
Toyota's Prius still had CRs top rating right in the middle of the largest recall in history. It's still listed as their top pick "green car": http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...p-picks-ov.htm
The NHTSA caught them faking child car seat tests and forced them to retract those reports. They've lied about the nutritional value in dog food too: http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/new...fantseats.html
They also try to coerce sites into removing articles critical of their testing procedures: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ts_scores.html
They claim not to accept any other payments/bribes, but have the money from subscribers alone to spend tens of millions of dollars per incident to defend against constant lawsuits? Right.
I don't think they take bribes. I just think it's incompetence - and zeal.
Originally Posted by mobility
dBA you say? How did you measure that? Isn't dBA an acoustic unit, to measure some kind of sound?
No. dB is a measure of signal intensity, typical RELATIVE signal intensity. dBA is a measure of absolute signal intensity. It doesn't matter if the signal is acoustic energy or radio waves.http://www.answers.com/topic/decibel
Originally Posted by ibuzz
I got my iPHone4 yesterday. It is an understatement to say that it is impressive. Best phone I have ever seen. Love the screen, the camera and the quality. I can drop the bars by touching the infamous spot, so I won't do that. Call quality is excellent. Go Apple
To me, that's what it boils down to:
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"
"Then don't do that".
If moving your finger by a couple of mm solves the problem, then it's a pretty minor issue. Everything I've ever purchased had tradeoffs. My new Lexus has one piece of loose material in the door handle that makes a loud click when I push on it with my knee. Eventually, I'll get it fixed, but until then, I just don't push on it with my knee. I could get all fired up about 'lousy build quality' or 'I need a lawyer', but it's a great car and has one minor glitch. It comes down to whether the glass is half full or half empty. I prefer to choose to buy great products, even if they're not perfect (since no product is perfect), and then happily use them even if they have some insignificant glitch.