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A Microsoft executive has said that the iPhone 4 could become Apple's version of the maligned Windows Vista operating system -- implying the product could be a misfire that will leave a bad taste in the mouth of consumers.

Microsoft Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner gave the keynote speech at his company's Worldwide Partner Conference this week, and commented on the iPhone 4 antenna issue that has gained a considerable amount of media attention this week, following a change of opinion on the handset by Consumer Reports. The comments were reported Wednesday by Gregg Keizer of Computerworld.

"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm OK with that," Turner was quoted as saying.

Earlier, he took another jab at Apple, saying that when the multitouch Windows Phone 7 launches later this year on mobile devices, users will "not have to worry about how you're holding it to make a phone call." He said that Microsoft's forthcoming mobile operating system, along with the bad publicity being experienced by Apple, are evidence that Microsoft can still be a force in the mobile phone market.

"We're back in the game," Turner reportedly said. "And this game is not over."

This week's event is not the first time Turner has made disparaging remarks about Apple in public. Last year, he bragged that Microsoft received a phone call from Apple's legal department over the company's "Laptop Hunters" advertisements. Apple reportedly called to complain that the advertisement showed an outdated, higher price for a MacBook Pro. Microsoft later quietly changed the advertisement.

Microsoft is not the only company that's poked fun at the iPhone 4. Earlier this month, Verizon ran a full page ad in The New York Times for Motorola's new Droid X smartphone. "Most importantly, it comes with a double antenna design," the ad read. "The kind that allows you to hold the phone any way you like and use it just about anywhere to make crystal clear calls. You have a voice. And you deserve to be heard."
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Always nice to see big companies make fun over their failures while making fun of others.
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I thought you had to actually have a product to be "in the game".


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"We're back in the game," Turner reportedly said. "And this game is not over."
post #4 of 113
When people line up for Windows phones, then he can talk. Until then, he's just embarrassing himself...and MS.
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Microsoft is *literally* defining The New Dictionary Of Product Failures.

*Vista is the new term for a serious stumble.

Dude, be careful. You don't wanna Vista this project.

*Kin is the new term for major fvckup.

OMFG! This is one unmitigated Kin.
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post #6 of 113
When MS decides to make phone hardware, are they going to put a red ring of lights on it?
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A Microsoft executive has said that the iPhone 4 could become Apple's version of the maligned Windows Vista operating system -- implying the product could be a misfire that will leave a bad taste in the mouth of consumers.

Or maybe Microsoft's Kin?

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What a Shame !!! he mentioned Vista !!!

I've got a bumper case to fix it; What did MS had to fix on Vista? Patch after Patch... and total lost at the End including all the hardware costs.

Compare to Apple? I haven't lose a penny. I sold fist iphone to upgrade 3g and had left over, sold 3g to upgrade to 3gs had left over now keeping 3gs and having iphone 4 fresh is priceless but no one want my Vista that is worthless...

Now, use Mac after 10 year using Window. And My Window 7 at home act as a DVD Player.

Shame, I'm sorry to say...
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At least MS admits Vista was a failure and complete crap. But...it's way to early to call the iPhone 4 Apple's Vista. Honestly, IF it's a defect, so what? Just pick up any Android smartphone and notice all the defects: OS with total lack of polish, plastic crap hardware, horrible touch screen, not an iPod, you call that an app market(?), battery life of a non-alkaline 9 volt... Now that's defective!
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A Microsoft executive has said that the iPhone 4 could become Apple's version of the maligned Windows Vista operating system -- implying the product could be a misfire that will leave a bad taste in the mouth of consumers."

Well, if we needed to have more proof that this whole issue is being hyped way out of proportion, I think we just got it.

Ask yourself; who gains from trying to make this molehill of an issue into a mountain? Well, DUH!

Meanwhile, Apple will speak with deeds when the "fix" comes out. And that will be that.
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They still don't understand that there is a bit of a difference between producing a phone or merely an OS. They won't have any influence on flaws of the phones on which their OS is installed.
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"We're back in the game," Turner reportedly said. "And this game is not over."

And then he said:

"Yeah. We put in our B team to trick 'em. Yeah. Make 'em overconfident. This way, we can sneak up on 'em, and beat 'em. We're tricky like that, see?"
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I'd hardly say that the iPhone 4 antenae problem is on the same level as the Vista problem. As one person said, it can be fixed with a simple non-conductive coating or adding the "bumper".

All Apple should do is give out free "bumpers" to existing owners who have a problem, if that fixes it. Apple can then fix future iPhone 4's by adding the non-conductive coating.

Apple, however is going to become the butt of all jokes.
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M$ has 2 problems with it's phone:
1- software - it doesn't have W7 mobile ready
2- hardware - it has no hardware of it's own

so... even if they come up with the software part, they can't be certain the hardware works properly, since they don't make it
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Microsoft is *literally* defining The New Dictionary Of Product Failures.

*Vista is the new term for a serious stumble.

Dude, be careful. You don't wanna Vista this project.

*Kin is the new term for major fvckup.

OMFG! This is one unmitigated Kin.

And XBox is shorthand for 100% failure rate. As in the Minnesota T-Wolves have gone XBox ever since they traded KG away.
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...As one person said, it can be fixed with a simple non-conductive coating or adding the "bumper".

I have to admit, though, I'm pretty surprised that the antenna "issue", no matter how impactful, slipped through product testing. Given that reception is one of the primary concerns of 3G/3GS owners (warranted or not, whether AT&T's fault or design), I expected Apple would have that aspect sewn up.
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post #17 of 113
apple's detractors are pulling out all the stops to make this an issue.
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Too funny! MS is so far behind the game in both Computer AND mobile OSes it sad! I just got my iPhone 4 a couple days ago. I tried to drop the bars with the so called "Death Grip", and it just isn't like people are saying. I've covered as much of the metal band as possible with my hands and it drops 2 bars at most. Vista is a F-up of gargantuan proportions!
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Company takes a dig at another company. Big deal. This is like schoolyard gossip.
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At least MS admits Vista was a failure and complete crap. But...it's way to early to call the iPhone 4 Apple's Vista. Honestly, IF it's a defect, so what? Just pick up any Android smartphone and notice all the defects: OS with total lack of polish, plastic crap hardware, horrible touch screen, not an iPod, you call that an app market(?), battery life of a non-alkaline 9 volt... Now that's defective!

Sorry, I have to disagree. In the court of public opinion, the iPhone 4 is already a Vista. EVERYONE "knows" the iPhone 4 is problematic, regardless of whether or not it actually is. Apple has already lost the battle for "common knowledge" on the product; it is permanently tainted in the cultural vernacular. Not everyone knows that Android phones have issues, but even technically-ignorant grandmothers have heard of the iPhone 4's problems.

I honestly don't know if a recall would help or hurt, but the only way Apple can fruly fix things is to move on and release the iPhone 5. That's what it took for Microsoft with Vista, Ford with the Edsel, Disney with EuroDisney, McDonald's with the Arch Deluxe, etc.
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For years, Microsoft had to deal with the "Get a Mac" TV ads which were much more of a public attack on Vista then this one comment would be from Microsoft about the iPhone. But to say it will be Apple's Vista...a little to soon to say that...But the bigger issue is going to be how bad the iPhone brand itself will be damaged, moving ahead in the future...

No matter how big or small the antenna and proximity sensor issues might be, it's not starting to matter at this point...Case in point. Letterman's top ten list from the other night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEAGos68cBg

Notice it isn't mentioned as an iPhone 4 issue but just iPhone. It's things like this that will have a bigger impact long term to the iPhone brand itself than any current hardware or software issues. You can argue about Letterman being full of crap but the point is, this has gone mainstream and it isn't just people who visit blogs like Appleinsider or any others who might be aware of the issues. Hell, my dad last night who barely can use a regular cell phone, let alone an iPhone was asking me if I was dropping calls with my new iPhone 4...

If Apple has a software fix, it better do more than just correct the display of reception bars on the phone...Because if the reception things keep hanging around, it's only giving free ammo to the Microsoft's and Google's of the world. Right or wrong, any competitor will take any free shots they can take. Apple has done it's fair share of this also...Will it slow down sales of the iPhone? Who knows but at the least, it gives competitors a bigger chance at gaining market share, based on perception alone...
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Too funny! MS is so far behind the game in both Computer AND mobile OSes it sad! I just got my iPhone 4 a couple days ago. I tried to drop the bars with the so called "Death Grip", and it just isn't like people are saying. I've covered as much of the metal band as possible with my hands and it drops 2 bars at most. Vista is a F-up of gargantuan proportions!

Mine often drops 5 bars.
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apple's detractors are pulling out all the stops to make this an issue.

What about people like me who have been buying apple products for 25 years? I have no hatred for Apple. But my iPhone 4 had serious reception problems before my pre-ordered bumper arrived.

The reception problem is a real issue no matter what kind of immature arguments are being waged one way or another. The existence of idiots on either side has no bearing on whether the problem is real or not.
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What about people like me who have been buying apple products for 25 years? I have no hatred for Apple. But my iPhone 4 had serious reception problems before my pre-ordered bumper arrived.

The reception problem is a real issue no matter what kind of immature arguments are being waged one way or another. The existence of idiots on either side has no bearing on whether the problem is real or not.

You are right. There is a problem.

However, even with the problem (i.e. holding the iPhone with the death grip), the iPhone 4 still has better reception than earlier iPhones.

The reception problem looks bad because Apple was inflating the bars, which made a bad signal look decent. If there is one thing we should have all learned by now, it is that bars are completely meaningless.
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And the 3GS will be Apple's XP. Glad I have a nice 32 gig - works great and they still sell them BTW.

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You people are all too funny, ya know?

So Vista is automatically crap, no matter what. It's an epic failure, blah blah blah. BUT, this ip4 issue is really just blown way out of proportion and really is a non-issue.

Good Christ, don't you people hear yourselves? On one hand, nobody will admit that not everyone has issues with Vista and it's a failure entirely, on the other hand, since not everyone is having issues with their iphone4, it's not a failure whatsoever, and the issues are over-exaggerated.

I personally never had issues with Vista, so I can't bitch about it, but that doesn't mean issues never existed. IT'S THE SAME WITH THE IP4, REMEMBER THAT.
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Vista is a F-up of gargantuan proportions!

Don't forget Kin!
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A new phrase, "to do a Vista", meaning to screw up a product massively!

I do wonder how Apple can work to stop the media turning against them, or if it's something they now have to accept, being the 500lb gorilla in the room?

It does seem that there is a lot more negative press than there used to be. The antenna issue, regardless of how big the problem actually is, is being portrayed negatively in the media, the Flash decision on iPad was spun to make Apple look like a bully, the stolen iPhone 4 ended up with Apple looking bad.

The interesting thing to me is that all the three things I mention seem to be pretty much non-issues. The antenna is surely a pain in the arse if it affects you, but easily avoidable, Apple were technically spot on with the Flash decision and the stolen iPhone 4, Apple were the innocent party. However, all of them ended up with Apple looking bad.

So, I'm wondering, have the press just decided to turn against Apple, or are Apple losing their press management skills?
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You are right. There is a problem.

However, even with the problem (i.e. holding the iPhone with the death grip), the iPhone 4 still has better reception than earlier iPhones.

The reception problem looks bad because Apple was inflating the bars, which made a bad signal look decent. If there is one thing we should have all learned by now, it is that bars are completely meaningless.

The 3gs was shown to be better. Don't you remember that article posted a few weeks ago?

Besides, it doesn't matter how much better the reception is if the call is dropped.
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If Turner would just pull his head in a bit, we could put the toilet seat all the way back down.

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post #31 of 113
I actually think Xbox 360 is the closer match to iPhone 4. Both hardware products.. Both having a failure that prevents them from working at their basic function. Both denied by the maker, both facing class action suits for the defect, and then eventually having to capitulate and acknowledge the gadget is just flawed by design. Xbox 360 due to compromises made due to ineptitude on thermal effects and an overly aggressive timetable, iPhone 4 due to ineptitude and a likely refusal to compromise 'the pretty design' with laws of physics.

Oh yeah, and both costing in the vicinity of $1+ billion to address. (except MIcrosoft still basically didn't fix it for existing owner, hence the '100%' failure rate.)
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You are right. There is a problem.

However, even with the problem (i.e. holding the iPhone with the death grip), the iPhone 4 still has better reception than earlier iPhones.

The reception problem looks bad because Apple was inflating the bars, which made a bad signal look decent. If there is one thing we should have all learned by now, it is that bars are completely meaningless.

Arrrrgh! Are you really not comprehending?

This isn't about the bars. This is about the fact that my phone4 couldn't place phone calls from my home or from my work. Meanwhile, all other phones could. A bumper fixed the problem.

Or perhaps you are saying I'm lying. ?
post #33 of 113
The iPhone 4 is bounded to be a success - Microsoft doesn't like it!

Macscoop
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One problem on an otherwise awesome product does not make it a Vista.

If it took 30 seconds for the home screen to come up, then I'd accept the comparison.
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The iPhone will prevail. Microsoft will sell phones and might gain market share but not because of the iPhone 4 issue. They'd gain market share from elsewhere.
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Dear Mr. M$ CEO,

I don't think it's such a good idea to remind people of what a colossal failure your previous OS was. Especially when your next OS launch is right around the corner.

Sincerely,
Com N. Senz
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you don't think MS put out that stinker Vista on purpose?
That is business. Planned obsolescence.
Anyway, the iphone reception issue can be resolved. I think Apple will revise the design and take a financial hit because of it. I for one have no problems with my awesome I phone 4.
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I have to admit, though, I'm pretty surprised that the antenna "issue", no matter how impactful, slipped through product testing. Given that reception is one of the primary concerns of 3G/3GS owners (warranted or not, whether AT&T's fault or design), I expected Apple would have that aspect sewn up.

I was surprised, too, but the notion becomes easier to grasp when you factor in the fact that the reception issue only seems to happen in certain places - perhaps with weaker coverage - and that the tests in the wild where conducted with disguised iPhones in cases, eliminating the issue. So if you figure that reception on the Cupertino campus was really good, then there was no way of ever coming across the problem in the wild while the phones were encased.

Either that, or all Apple employees are right handed.
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"It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I'm OK with that," Turner was quoted as saying.


That is just uncalled for.
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It does seem that there is a lot more negative press than there used to be. The antenna issue, regardless of how big the problem actually is, is being portrayed negatively in the media, the Flash decision on iPad was spun to make Apple look like a bully, the stolen iPhone 4 ended up with Apple looking bad.

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