Iranian Scientist Tortured and Kidnapped by the US

Shahram Amiri, the Iranian nuclear scientist kidnapped by the US is now safely back in Iran. The case reveals several interesting - and disturbing - issues.

Firstly there is the illegality of the kidnap with help from usual Saudi scumbag allies and the subsequent lying and propaganda.

Mr Amiri was undertaking the Haj (pilgrimage to Mecca) a year ago when he was abducted by CIA agents. This can only have been done with Saudi approval. No surprise there.

The US then embarked on a campaign of lies and propaganda which ranged from 'not knowing where Mr Amiri was' to constructing fake videos where an impostor claimed to be him and wanted to 'defect' through various other deceptions.

Note the use of fake videos and stand-ins which is exactly the same MO as the fake Osama messages from then same source.

Which brings us to the second point: while this lying was going on Mr Amiri was being tortured. Not in Guantanamo or outsourced to some friendly fascists like Saudi but IN THE US.

So; so far we have illegal kidnapping, lies and torture. But there's more:


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So two points of interest here:

1) Israeli agents had been present during the interrogations

It seems that the torture was overseen by the Israelis - and this seems also to fit with the general MO of this case where an innocent man is kidnapped with blatant disregard for sovereign and International law as well as the ant-Iranian motives.

2) ....to use me for revealing some false information about Iran's nuclear work


Get that? FALSE INFORMATION.

If the information received from the torture sessions were true then it would be the justification needed for the planned attack on Iran.

But it wasn't true.

Ie - there is NO evidence. So they need to manufacture some. Hence the 'false' bit.

This is not about stopping any nuclear ambition of Iran - it is about justifying an invasion already planned by the US and Israel and finding a reason the sheep will swallow to justify the deaths (American not Israeli) that it will cost.

Luckily Mr Amiri had that increasingly rare thing: integrity.

If he had not he would now be $50M richer, living in Beverly Hills and his 'irrefutable evidence' of the Iranian bomb would be wall to wall dripping down into every home and wingers with a hard-on would be all over these boards like a cheap suit with their 'proof' even as the bombers droned overhead on their mission to obliterate more infidel lives in the name of 'freedom, Jesus and the good old US of A'.

Looks like it's on hold for a little while longer but they needn't worry...it's definitely in the post.

If he wasn't kidnapped how did he get to the US?

The US story was he defected but clearly this is not true.

Yet another thread gets Obamafied

I'm starting to get concerned now. This is clearly in the nature of a Freudian or (shudder) Lacanian obsession.

I really did not want to ever have to act as psychotherapist to the wingers here but I think now that the safety of the public is paramount and clearly this is reaching crisis point.

I am going to have to step in and help here....painful as it is going to be for me to go down into the dark places to save these pathetic lost souls.

From now on I will suspend all personal judgements and opinions and act solely in the role of a detached analyst to every post. It could take some time but together we can beat this condition....

I'm listening....

What does 'Ice Cream' mean to you? What images does it conjure up in its tapering fluting shape with a creamy top to be sucked on?

And why do you associate this image with your President?

I seem to recall that you were going to start a thread about the Iranian Stoning? Remember we discussed it on two occasions and I PMed you but you ignored it.

So not really true to say Leftists were silent - in fact it was YOU who was silent.

Why do you think this is?

Does 'Leftie' have any significance for you?

In Islamic cultures the left-hand is associated with toilet-duties and your hatred of lefties seems connected somehow with your perception of Islam and Muslims.

I think there might be a connection here. Do you want to talk about toilets or bottoms?

I'm listening....

Do you get it?

I don't think you can do seeing as I repeatedly have condemned Obama for being a tool as have several other Lefties here - Tonton for example.

My distaste for him is far deeper than yours actually. Because it is based on insight rather than knee-jerk partisanship and is not in the nature of a neurotic fixation.

Now where were we?


This is what we call 'transference'.

Basically a form of idee fixe arises in the subject's consciousness - in this case the delusion that someone is saying that Obama is NOT responsible for it just because they are trying to help you - and because the patient feels undermined they transfer this feeling and project it onto the therapist.

We need to guard against this.

No, it doesn't make sense does it?

Maybe he escaped by pretending to play along and then took sanctuary in the Pakistan embassy by which point the US had to let him go rather than have a diplomatic escalation - or maybe they made a deal and got something in return for letting him go.

Or maybe it's a double bluff and he is still on the US payroll and will soon be utilized in some way to hasten the coming war.

Well...start the thread then - we'll see how silent they are.

My guess is that they did not know you wanted to discuss it as they have all got you on ignore.

Easily remedied...you don't usually have trouble putting finger to keypad, unfortunately. Trot off and start it and we'll all be along in a minute...

It's not about holding anyone responsible - that's a way down the line when perhaps evolution has advanced US leaderships beyond the need (desire?) to torture etc.

Right now it's just about recognizing the nature of the beast. Stepping out of denial.

View it like the first faltering steps from the primeval swamp to crawling on the land. Walking is the goal for sure but first things first....

No....try to keep up

I was referring to the fact that every thread - EVERY thread, no matter what the ostensible subject matter gets turned to 'Obama'....you guys are fixated.

You see I don't care about Obama, in fact I think he is a total and utter wanker and a bigger fucking scumbag than the last fucking scumbag you sheep voted in to 'lead' you...but that's not my problem. It is the rest of the world's problem for sure but then it would be if you had Mickey Mouse in the White House.

So that's the denial: that you are obsessed with this guy. Why?

When Bush was in there was no equivalent obsession...you guys are out of control really....

Most sane people know that anyway and everyone in Iran certainly does.

But you're right about him being found dead in a ditch (or vat of acid or whatever they use these days) when the CIA had finished so probably there is something more to this.

To the degree which the US is actually influenced by Conservative Christians it is true. 100% of Conservative Xians are anti-Islam...whether they admit it or not is a different matter.

And then there is the fact that the vast majority of US mosques are Wahabi financed.

For now Saudi is ally #2 (after Israel) but if and when that changes then we'll see.

Sure, no problem. Hopefully when I do you'll respond courteously in kind with reasoned debate.

Re Saudi-Funded Wahabi Mosques:


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Note: this above article is required reading if you are interested in this issue and is the testimony of Stephen Schwartz (an Islamic Scholar) before the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security on Thursday, June 26, 2003.


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Re Anti-Islam Conservative Xians:



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Statistics on Religious tolerance (or Lack of) in the US

No Problems...I'm sure someone else will dispute it and need some info! hahah!

Probably does 'sound like' to you. Granted. Would not expect anything less.

What is actually IS though is yet another example of your patent inability to comprehend the most basic concepts and statements.

I quote myself (not that it will do any good):

To the degree which the US is actually influenced by Conservative Christians it is true.

No, it doesn't change what you said but it does spotlight it for what it is

I'm surprised you are still playing that old card.... It's obvious you have to resort to it as there's nothing else in the locker but I think you should at least add some more ammo. It can be overplayed and it makes you look like you can't come up with any other answer and sound like a parrot.

Timing and subtlety are everything!