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post #161 of 198
7/15/10 at 1:51pm
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I'd agree with this assessment. The view here by many that it's just simple opportunism with no real interest or concern or that only the most important issues can be dealt with by the Senator shows considerable ignorance of how things work.

Not can be dealt with, should be dealt with. And we clearly know how things work; the problem is that this is how they work.
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post #162 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:03pm
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There are some doubts about this whole 'bait and switch' issue including the whole "Apple knew they were going to do it and went ahead with the announcement of the unlimited one" stuff. And the issue of whether the TC says the prices can be changed at any point. But really that's neither here nor there since there are lawsuits etc that are covering it.

if he wanted to help his peoples, how about moving to have the laws that allow the tying of cell phones to one carrier dropped. How about investigating the whole test messaging price issue. How about the not so little detail that I"m allegedly paying 1/24th of that $400 back every month and yet I don't get credit for the full amount and I"m still paying that amount after my contract is up (but i'm using the same phone) or if I bring my own phone to the service.

Is the law or anyone else forcing Apple to stay exclusive with AT&T despite all the problems with that carrier? Or is Apple choosing to do so on their own? If so, shouldn't Apple share the blame for iPhone issues caused by Apple choosing a lousy carrier?
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post #163 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:10pm
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Someone needs to explain to this idiot that "senator' doesn't mean 'God-emperor".

And to the other 98 just like him.
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post #164 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000 View Post

THINK for yourself instead of puking up what you hear on the 5 o'clock news every night. Add some common fucking sense into your diet.

You are a dick.
Besides what was wrong with my statement?
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?
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Shumer is doing his JOB. Party affiliation aside. Too difficult for everyone?

Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?
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post #165 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:32pm
I think the problem is he is trying tell the CEO of a prosperous company what to do, when he has not power to do so!
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post #166 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

Funny. I don't see the big deal with him writing this letter. It's not like it takes a long time to write this.


I think the problem is he is trying tell the CEO of a prosperous company what to do, when he has not power to do so!
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post #167 of 198
7/15/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Wow, there is some serious anger going on in this thread. It is just a phone.

Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.

The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.
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post #168 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:07pm
...on the antenna issue, you gotta call this for what it is: Political grandstanding.

I'm so tired of politicians.
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post #169 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:07pm
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Yes, most of it is politically motivated, just take a look at the PoliticalOutsider forum if you'd like to see even more.

The irony is that many Democrats are sick of Shumer as well, so, you have the right-wingers here doing their normal thing (trashing anyone with a D after their name) in addition to Democrats telling Shumer to "STFU" - it makes for a slightly hostile thread, yes.

This isn't a D or R thing, it's a C(ongress) thing. D's have their limits about the proper scope of government too.
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post #170 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:13pm
Dear Washington,

Stay out of this.

Sincerely,
We The People.
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post #171 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

Someone needs to explain to this idiot that "senator' doesn't mean 'God-emperor".

Yeah Schumer wants to take away our guns that protect us from the likes of him.
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post #172 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:36pm
I think his letter is reasonable enough

But since it came the day AFTER Apple announced the press conference on Friday, it just looks like what it is, Politics

Later on, after this has all been taken care of, Apple does a hardware mod, software or whatever, Schumer will be jumping up and down trying to take all the credit, hoping no one will notice the order of events
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post #173 of 198
7/15/10 at 3:39pm
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This is precisely what is wrong with this country. No, not the government. People who think like you do.

Oh, I can't wait to read the explanation on that comment. Clearly the government getting even more involved in the last, oh..say, 18 months has done wonders for our economy.
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post #174 of 198
7/15/10 at 4:21pm
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You are a dick.
Besides what was wrong with my statement?
You think it's okay for the government nationalize private companies because?


You're right, I am most certainly a dick. Today, especially. but, let's focus on the crux of the issue, which is the fact that you, and hoards like you render yourselves useless and unable ( through you're own woeful ignorance ) to discern the difference between transparency , nationalization, checks and balances, socialism, the ebb and flow of power through the allocation of resources etc. Why do you think the market collapsed, again? Right. So now with the current administration, we have a shift that favors the left.
Take yourself a trip to Venezuela and have a chat with hugo chavez about the nationalization of private companies.


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Doesn't look like he wrote this letter in any official capacity at all. Was it on senatorial letterhead? Can't tell. It wasn't signed "Charles Schumer - Senator" or anything like that.
edit: it is now up on his website but still, was the letter done in an official capacity?

I don't see.. Oh, never mind.
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post #175 of 198
7/15/10 at 4:22pm
If Senator Schumer wrote that letter, I'll eat my laptop. But I don't disagree with the sentiment.
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post #176 of 198
7/15/10 at 4:59pm
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What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Politicians insert themselves into all affairs whether they are needed or not, and it is clearly not needed here. In case anyone is fuzzy about what the sworn duty of a Senator is...

The Constitution requires that senators take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.

Congress has prescribed the following oath for new senators:
“\tI, (A— B—), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.


What does any of what Schumer said have to do with the Constitution?

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post #177 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:03pm
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Likely, you're one of those who criticizes Congress for not doing their jobs. Well, one of their jobs is to represent the people and work in their interest, so that's what Mr. Schumer is doing here. And then you criticize him for doing it. How about you STFU?

Incorrect. Their job is to support and defend the Constitution. All else is proof of corruption of the office.

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post #178 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:13pm
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What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.

There should be Something more important foe the man to work on. Consumers have a choice. Don't buy the iPhone 4 or return it. Simple. Easy, peasy.

My tax dollars have much more important issues that need to addressed. The iPhone problem will be settled by the market...
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post #179 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by AtlBuc View Post

Uhhh no the definitely have an obligation to fix this. Telling consumers to hold your phone a different way is unacceptable. Even more unacceptable is saying there isn't an issue then trying to issue a software fix to deflect what is really going on.

Return the phone if you are unhappy with it. Let the market decide how to punish Apple for any misdeeds.
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post #180 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by thespaz View Post

I'd like to see Steve's response to this. He makes some valid points. We shouldn't have to buy accessories to make the iPhone work.

This is not a national issue. It is a product issue. Of very little importance to the majority of U.S. Citizens. The senator should go jump.
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post #181 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

And that is the problem with government.
This is NOT part of his "official duties".

If there is a problem, it will be worked out in the LEGAL system not by the legislative branch.

It should be worked out in the market place. Nothing will hurt Apple more than thousands of returns.
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post #182 of 198
7/15/10 at 5:47pm
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What does any of what Schumer said have to do with the Constitution?

Be careful what you ask.

Like any good politician, I'm sure he'll find something that can be twisted around enough to give the justification and power for meddling with Apple.
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post #183 of 198
7/15/10 at 7:49pm
Schumer must be looking for votes or a free Iphone. LOL
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post #184 of 198
7/15/10 at 8:45pm
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What's wrong with the Senator doing his job? Politicians are there to represent us on a very wide range of fronts that are of concern to the community. Though it's pretty unprecedented for a politician to give a crap about a single phone, I think it shows that Schumer has his finger on the pulse of what's annoying constituents. He ought be commended for gently encouraging Apple to make its phone deliver everything that users expected.

His job is to uphold the Constitution, not to send open letters to companies (most likely for political benefit). If politicians gave a damn about what their constituents wanted, they'd all stop running for office.
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post #185 of 198
7/15/10 at 9:15pm
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Politicians insert themselves into all affairs whether they are needed or not, and it is clearly not needed here. In case anyone is fuzzy about what the sworn duty of a Senator is...

The Constitution requires that senators take an oath or affirmation to support the Constitution.

Congress has prescribed the following oath for new senators:
\tI, (A B), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.


What does any of what Schumer said have to do with the Constitution?

While the oath is that the Senators will support and defend or uphold the Constitution, the affirmation has nothing to do with the powers that the Senate has. The powers of the Legislative Branch are enumerated in Article I of the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, the 2nd Clause "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;" allows Congress to regulate Commerce.

For a fuller dissertation on the Commerce Clause see

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitutio...nstitution.pdf

and the 2008 supplement

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/011.pdf

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post #186 of 198
7/15/10 at 9:17pm
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Incorrect. Their job is to support and defend the Constitution. All else is proof of corruption of the office.

Missed this--see comments re: Constitutional Lesson
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post #187 of 198
7/15/10 at 9:25pm
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While the oath is that the Senators will support and defend or uphold the Constitution, the affirmation has nothing to do with the powers that the Senate has. The powers of the Legislative Branch are enumerated in Article I of the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, the 2nd Clause "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;" allows Congress to regulate Commerce.

For a fuller dissertation on the Commerce Clause see

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitutio...nstitution.pdf

and the 2008 supplement

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/constitution/pdf2002/011.pdf


Of course, you are correct. I was making a point about government straying from their original purpose and inserting their noses into every aspect of our lives.

And when's the last time you saw them obey this:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

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post #188 of 198
7/15/10 at 11:21pm
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Of course, you are correct. I was making a point about government straying from their original purpose and inserting their noses into every aspect of our lives.

And when's the last time you saw them obey this:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.


Government couldn't even document how broad it considers its purpose these days. I'd imagine if the Constitution was rewritten in 2010 it would be considerably longer, far more extensive and ensure that Congress had something of an "access all areas" obligation to manage people's lives.
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post #189 of 198
7/16/10 at 1:46am
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Likely, you're one of those who criticizes Congress for not doing their jobs. Well, one of their jobs is to represent the people and work in their interest, so that's what Mr. Schumer is doing here. And then you criticize him for doing it. How about you STFU?

An open letter is the wrong way to go about it. As a matter of proper decorum, this should could have been handled with a call to Apple by the Senator's office so that a few facts could be injected into the story. He writes a letter addressed to one individual, but does it publicly. It's pure grandstanding where none is likely needed.
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post #190 of 198
7/16/10 at 8:01am
STFU STFU STFU STFU

Go make your own goddamned phone and then show us all how it's done, you sleazeball loser.

You and your idiot friends in Washington have us $1 trillion more in debt this year than last year, and $1.2 trillion more last year than the year before, and you want Apple to do its work "free-of-charge"

You are such a slimeball moron.
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post #191 of 198
7/16/10 at 8:10am
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While the oath is that the Senators will support and defend or uphold the Constitution, the affirmation has nothing to do with the powers that the Senate has. The powers of the Legislative Branch are enumerated in Article I of the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, the 2nd Clause "To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;" allows Congress to regulate Commerce.

"regulate Commerce" does not mean what you think it does.

If it meant "the power to enforce any law against anyone who buys or sells anything" then we do not live in a limited-government Republic, which another part of the Constitution "guarantees" us. If it means that, there is no need to have a Constitution in the first place. Logic tells you that.

In 1789, regulate Commerce means to make sure that the rules of commerce are made equal and that no tariffs, trade barriers, etc., get unfairly raised by States against other States.
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post #192 of 198
7/16/10 at 9:17am
Hey Chuck my Sears Leaf Blower wont start, my Bic pen doesn't always write and my sons Hasbro Transformer popps it pieces off when he tries to transform it.
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post #193 of 198
7/16/10 at 9:19am
Yes. LOL.
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post #194 of 198
7/16/10 at 9:27am
Obama should just issue an Executive Order resolving to kick Apple's ass. Problem solved.
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post #195 of 198
7/16/10 at 9:39am
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In 1789, regulate Commerce means to make sure that the rules of commerce are made equal and that no tariffs, trade barriers, etc., get unfairly raised by States against other States.

Yes. It was the original North American Free Trade Zone.

Since its inception Commerce Clause had been abused mercilessly, I believe Wickard v. Filburn was the first case that upheld a violation not on an activity's effect upon interstate commerce, but an act that "could have - perhaps - maybe" affected interstate commerce - but didn't. It elicits comparisons to a "thought crime".

Wasn't until 1995 that US v. Lopez finally pushed the limits beyond the Supreme Court's comfort. I believe a concurring opinion stated words to the effect "if the Federal government can apply Commerce Clause to this case, there are no limits on its regulatory authority."

Interesting read - look it up.
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post #196 of 198
7/20/10 at 4:02am
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Got a laugh from me, thanks.

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(BTW, I assume you'll post to this thread? If not, I suppose I can search for your recent posts.)


Well, I did choose to suffer the indignity of Yet Another Schumer Sunday Schpiel. Guess he was disappointed with how Jobs shut him down, so he turned his attention to ... BP's oil spill.

In the meantime, his political fundraising brought in another $2M this spring, raising his War Chest to $23.8 million on hand. Heaven forbid that anyone dare even suggest that Schumer simply protect his NY Constituents by paying for iPhone bumpers out of his own pocket. :-)


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7/20/10 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by john galt View Post

Obama should just issue an Executive Order resolving to kick Apple's ass. Problem solved.

haters are worried their own favorite toys can't eclipse apple's, hence calling for outside intervention?
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post #198 of 198
7/20/10 at 8:14am
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Well, I did choose to suffer the indignity of Yet Another Schumer Sunday Schpiel. Guess he was disappointed with how Jobs shut him down, so he turned his attention to ... BP's oil spill.

In the meantime, his political fundraising brought in another $2M this spring, raising his War Chest to $23.8 million on hand. Heaven forbid that anyone dare even suggest that Schumer simply protect his NY Constituents by paying for iPhone bumpers out of his own pocket. :-)


-hh

I appreciate your sacrifice and thanks for posting back -hh, even if it was a bust. Hmm, if anything like your last comment happened, now that would be news!
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