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As some customers have had their iPhone 4 orders delayed, a new rumor suggests that Apple will offer a free "brute force" internal hardware fix to existing customers in order to improve the device's antenna.

Analyst Ashok Kumar with Rodman & Renshaw spoke with AppleInsider on Thursday and revealed that overseas suppliers have indicated to him that Apple has decided on a hardware fix for the iPhone 4. He said sources have told him that the "mechanical fix" is the equivalent of placing a rubber stopgap on the inside of the phone, leaving the outside of the device untouched.

"From a cosmetic purpose, it's going to be completely transparent," Kumar said. "But from an engineering perspective, it's going to be more of a brute force than an elegant addition."

The goal, he said, aims to offer a quick fix to address concerns for customers. Kumar said it doesn't make sense for Apple to recall all iPhone 4 handsets and rebuild them from scratch with a "clean slate" design.

But Kumar said he expects the iPhone 4 antenna to be redesigned and fixed internally with a more "elegant" engineering solution when the Verizon iPhone 4 launches in the near future. He said it would also make sense for Apple to eventually apply the same internal fix for the current UMTS iPhone as well, once demand has been met.

"They're going to have a much more elegant design instead of putting a mechanical contraption inside," he said.

Kumar also said that AT&T has seen its fill timeline for new iPhone 4 orders stretched out to 8 weeks, suggesting delays in the manufacturing process as Apple settles on its approach. Recently, AT&T was waiting just 7 to 10 days for iPhone 4 orders.

In addition, AppleInsider has received word that some people have been notified that their iPhone 4 orders have been delayed. Some received e-mails direct from Apple citing an "unexpected delay." There has not been any indication that the delay notifications are widespread yet.

Kumar said he believes Apple decided to hold a press conference on Friday because the company's quarterly earnings report is next Tuesday. Addressing the antenna issue before then could save the company the burden of being bombarded by analysts about the issue next week, when the company's executives conduct their quarterly conference call.

Kumar was criticized last year after he noted that iPhone sales in China were "disappointing" before the device was even on sale. Also, in January of this year, he said he was told that the iPad would be available on the Verizon network through a subsidy -- a prediction that proved false. However, last fall, Kumar also correctly stated that Google would release its own custom-built handset, which came true when the Nexus One was announced.

Last year, Kumar told AppleInsider that a CDMA-only iPhone with a chipset from Qualcomm will be released for the Verizon network in the U.S. in 2010. He said a new dual-mode chip from Qualcomm will not be available in time for a summer 2010 launch for the new iPhone.
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As some customers have had their iPhone 4 orders delayed, a new rumor suggests that Apple will offer a free "brute force" internal hardware fix to existing customers in order to improve the device's antenna.



I don't believe this. If it were true, Apple would not have announced that a software glitch was the culprit.

So much for THIS rumor...
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How is a stopper inside going to stop your body shorting the gap between the two antennas?
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I don't believe this. If it were true, Apple would not have announced that a software glitch was the culprit.

So much for THIS rumor...

Pathetic.
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I don't believe this. If it were true, Apple would not have announced that a software glitch was the culprit.

So much for THIS rumor...

Enough. We get it. You have now almost 100 posts in a couple days with your act.

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post #6 of 67
The delays seem to suggest a hardware manufacturing change strategy is in place. The question - what will they do about the existing phones in the wild? Take a "replace if you complain" strategy?

With all the controversy surrounding the iPhone 4 antenna issues and my sense that this device is providing me with unsatisfactory connectivity performance compared to my old iPhone3GS, I decided to conduct some comparative simple tests. Check out my data and let me know if you've seen similar results.

http://iphonecto.com/2010/07/15/ipho...d-heres-proof/
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My iPhone is slated to ship on July 23rd; just checked and the date remains the same. Anyone here experience delays?
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How is a stopper inside going to stop your body shorting the gap between the two antennas?

It can't. The fix as described can't prevent shorting the antenna elements on the outside. Sometimes it's very evident how non-technical the analysts are.
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How is a stopper inside going to stop your body shorting the gap between the two antennas?

Because the antennas won't be exposed anymore but insulated from within.

Btw, not to tout my own horn, but this was my uninformed suggestion a couple of days ago, better insulation of the antennas within the frame.
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Because the antennas won't be exposed anymore but insulated from within.

Btw, not to tout my own horn, but this was my uninformed suggestion a couple of days ago, better insulation of the antennas within the frame.

But that doesn't match the description of the fix, which is adding a "stopgap" inside. Moving the antenna elements inside would be a huge change.
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It can't. The fix as described can't prevent shorting the antenna elements on the outside. Sometimes it's very evident how non-technical the analysts are.

I am not sure I believe this rumor but I know I don't believe you!

Look at the teardown and it is fairly easy to imagine an isolation block between the 2 antennas that get bridged.

I am personally very careful about saying never, can't, always and other absolutes since they almost always come back to bite you (see how nicely I covered my ass).
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But that doesn't match the description of the fix, which is adding a "stopper" inside. Moving the antenna elements inside would be a huge change.

Sorry I read this diagonally because I d read it elsewhere on the web first, I thought he meant isolating the whole antenna inside, provided the framE itself is not part of the antenna.

Still a stopper could wrap around about 1.5 cm At in each end at the potentially touching ends of the antenna, and then it would take a big ass thumb to short this. Of course other types of full hand grips will manage to short the phone.
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Enough. We get it. You have now almost 100 posts in a couple days with your act.

Started posting on the very day that SpotOn was banned. Just so we know.
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Started posting on the very day that SpotOn was banned. Just so we know.

Man I d get such a headache if I had to come up with so many nicks as the trolls have when they reregister.
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If this rumour has truth to it and Apple do a hardware fix, then the minute someone drops a call or makes a bar fall away it'll start all over again.

We see this with cars. When a customer has a squeak on the brakes, you can change the pads, discs, completely overhaul the brakes. But the moment the squeak comes back the paranoia starts.

They ultimately are never happy until they sell it on or swap the vehicle. To some, iPhones, like cars stir pretty emotive responses. It's quite a phenomena and fascinating to observe. I love coming here to watch it all unfold.

I'll say it again, Apple need a new product launch and they need it soon. New Apple TV anyone?
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Man I d get such a headache if I had to come up with so many nicks as the trolls have when they reregister.

I just wonder how bored they are in their lives that the would even want to spend so much time posting in a forum about a company and products they hate. It seems a girlfriend could help a lot of them.

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Anand's latest article:

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I can’t stress enough that this issue impacts all users. The variability is in how strong of a signal you have to begin with. That’s the absolute only reason there’s debate in these discussions from phone to phone. At my desk I don’t get great reception on AT&T. With the iPhone 4 I’m usually at -96dBm. If I keep a tight grip on the phone or if I’m holding it to send text messages I can sometimes lose all signal entirely. This is a combination of poor reception at my house and the fact that the 4 loses more of its signal than other phones when held certain ways.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/i...1-signal-fix/1
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I am not sure I believe this rumor but I know I don't believe you!

Look at the teardown and it is fairly easy to imagine an isolation block between the 2 antennas that get bridged.

I am personally very careful about saying never, can't, always and other absolutes since they almost always come back to bite you (see how nicely I covered my ass).

As I read the description of the fix, it involves putting something on the inside of the phone and not changing the outside of the phone at all. ("From a cosmetic purpose, it's going to be completely transparent.") In that case, the elements of the two antennas are just as exposed as before, and just as easily shorted as before. A completely internal fix would be great, but I just don't see how that's possible.
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that *sounds* like they intend to electrically isolate the exterior antenna from the internal connector - which sounds to me like you would be permanently limiting the antenna's range until a new and improved internal only solution is devised.

If am reading that right (and the report is correct) then it sounds like the fix for sometimes I get lousy reception is to always get lousy reception.
post #20 of 67
Placing a rubber dielectric in the phone will accomplish nothing. This is an antenna detuning problem caused by a conductive material (i.e. skin, metal, whatever) that causes the signal (generation, reception) to be attenuated.

Electromagnetism 101.

Putting a salami sandwich with mayo and roma tomatoes (thinly sliced) in the phone will accomplish just as much as an internal rubber bumper. Until they isolate the metal of the antenna from external conductive materials, this problem will continue to occur. This is exactly why the external bumpers are so effective.
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I just wonder how bored they are in their lives that the would even want to spend so much time posting in a forum about a company and products they hate. It seems a girlfriend could help a lot of them.

There's clearly an s/m angle here, to make others miserable and then consequently to be chastised by others for it. Typical s/m, but like you said, nothing a leather clad whip mistress won't solve.
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I've been debating all day today how far the stock is going to drop tomorrow. I can't think of a single realistic thing Apple can say tomorrow that won't hurt their stock. Remember, stock price has little to do with the actual amount of money they'll make, but rather the perceived ability to make money. In store fix - expensive, like this article seems to mention. Bumpers - would cost money, not much, but it's also an inelegant solution that would take all bragging rights away from their design team. Recall - obviously expensive. Software fix - unlikely to happen and many would blow it off as not workable anyway. Saying there is no problem - bad face that will lead to worse PR down the road. They only seem to be able to admit there is a problem and propose a solution to it. All of these will cost money. I'm surprised these article/forums haven't had more discussion of the stock price.
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Started posting on the very day that SpotOn was banned. Just so we know.

I wonder if the mods have checked his IP. Sort of pointless to ban someone and their alts just pop back in.

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Anand's latest article:



http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/i...1-signal-fix/1

See I don't know if I buy that either as I get absolutely horrible reception in my office (in general one or two bars) and I can't get the phone to drop to seraching and my data speeds are still quicker than my previous iphones no matter how hard I try.
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What??? If the antenna is shorted by a hand on the outside, then there's no shorting issue on the inside. A rubber stopper won't do a thing. Either this rumor is crap, or Apple (or the analyst) thinks its users are idiots. Quick fix indeed.
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NOOOO!!! I just ordered my iPhone 4 earlier this week. It was supposed to take 3 weeks from Apple and 7-10 days from AT&T, so I went with AT&T. Now it might take 8 weeks!!! Oh, the agony! I don't care about this problem. I will use a case anyway.
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I've been debating all day today how far the stock is going to drop tomorrow. I can't think of a single realistic thing Apple can say tomorrow that won't hurt their stock. Remember, stock price has little to do with the actual amount of money they'll make, but rather the perceived ability to make money. In store fix - expensive, like this article seems to mention. Bumpers - would cost money, not much, but it's also an inelegant solution that would take all bragging rights away from their design team. Recall - obviously expensive. Software fix - unlikely to happen and many would blow it off as not workable anyway. Saying there is no problem - bad face that will lead to worse PR down the road. They only seem to be able to admit there is a problem and propose a solution to it. All of these will cost money. I'm surprised these article/forums haven't had more discussion of the stock price.

I sold some puts; I trust in Apple's mastery of the game.

They can't change the antenna design; it will screw up the FCC listing. Mechanically, all they can do is lacquer the outside so you don't electrically short it. Electrically, they could isolate wifi and 3G if it senses a short and possibly reduce the tuning losses, but I think they would still have a problem.
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i getting so sick with all the piling on apple

a famous car company sells defective cars for 3 yrs . The brakes on the japanese cars would not work or stick . the said car company we found out knew about this the whole time . and it did not fix the brake problem the whole time . 3 f--ing yrs .

palm pre had screens that cracked and melted until the bad batch was sold thru . palm and sprint did nothing. stone wall time

apple will fix this problem . we all should give APPLE 2 or 300 hours to sort thru this minor problem .
OR
OR
OR
and as steve said on day 5
please return the phone.and i implore the the grown babies to do so . SIMPLY RETURN YOUR PHONE FOR FULL REFUND !!P

yet apple 4 phones are still hard to get . HA

the FCC forced apple and or all phone makers to place the antenna AS far from the ear as possible . causing apple to find unique ways to make a great reception .

apple has had dozens of hard ware issues . My screen went bad on 3 lap tops in a row
apple fixed them .
i dropped my ipod 2 nd gen 3 x and all 3 were replaced on the spot no questions asked .The last one was a 4th gen ipod

i once ordered a laptop from the online store and received a more powerful machine than i paid for . Think about that for a moment ,,




we all have so many good apple stories to tell
and yes some bad ones too.

i bought apple at 13.5 .
and will take all this bullshit over the top whining as a buying op ..

i love any thing APPLE .

and may god bless steve jobs .

peace

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My iPhone is slated to ship on July 23rd; just checked and the date remains the same. Anyone here experience delays?

Mine is scheduled July 22nd, arrival July 29, no change ether. I placed my order on the July 1.!! so if it gets delayed I might get kind of pissed...
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What??? If the antenna is shorted by a hand on the outside, then there's no shorting issue on the inside. A rubber stopper won't do a thing. Either this rumor is crap, or Apple (or the analyst) thinks its users are idiots. Quick fix indeed.


I don't believe that this rumor has any credibility whatsoever.
post #31 of 67
bought the iphone and couldnt use it because i guess im retarded and cant hold a phone correctly
back to my 3gs
this hater posted a bunch of stuff though at ihatemac.net about it
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SOME ARTICLE SAYS,

"SENIOR ENGINEER WARNED STEVE JOBS ON ANTENNA ISSUE!"

WE WARN THIS " SENIOR ENGINEER " FOR FALSE ACCUSATION AND MAY FILE A LAW-SUIT AGAINST HIM FOR CIRCULATING YET-to-EXIST FLAW CHARGE ON Apple Product!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DOES HE KNOW HOW MANY i-Phone 4 ALREADY HAVE BEEN SOLD ALL OVER THE WORLD?????????????????

OVER 2 MILLION pcs. IN 5 COUNTRIES, INCLUDING MY COUNTRY, JAPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BUT NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY BOUGHT i-Phone 4 AND SO SATISFIED ENJOY USING IT AROUND ME NEVER EVER HAVE ENCOUNTED ANY PROBLEM, OF COURSE INCLUDING RIDICULOUS SUCH ANTENNA ISSUE IN THE U.S. AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD SUCH CRAZY MESS ABOUT ANTENNA ISSUE REPORTED IN FRANCE, GB, GERMANY AND OF COURSE IN JAPAN EITHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LET THIS HALF-INTELLIGENT " SENIOR ENGINEER " EXPLAIN HOW COME THAT HAPPENS EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE SAME IS TRUE OF FAKE FELLOWS " CONSUMER REPORTS " THAT CLAIMS

" ONE FOUTH OF i-Phone 4 USERS ARE BEING AFFECTED BY ANTENNA FLAW "

WOWWWWWWWWWWWW

IS IT TRUE???????????????????

AS THEY CHEEKY FELLOWS MENTIONED

25 % OF AMERICAN USERS
25% OF JAPANESE USERS
25% OF BRITISH USERS
25% OF FRENCH USERS
25% OF GERMAN USERS

ARE " BEING AFFECTED " BY ANTENNA FLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT THE TRUTH IS AS " ENGADGET " REPORTS INTRODUCING MANY " ORDINARY PEOPLE'S VOICE ",

"I've got a friend who works in an apple retail store, he said he honestly has not had a single person return the phone because of the antenna."

"Agreed. My wife's phone (not an iPhone...and we're on Verizon) drops bars and almost calls when she holds it on her shoulder. I'm not barking at LG about it. My LG doesn't get any signal inside the building where I work but I'm not writing LG about it. No...I'm talking to Verizon.

I don't think Apple caught this in pre-launch testing because there wasn't anything to catch. Wasn't there an article out a while back about new sim cards ATT supplied Apple with, a new style? I'm not looking to pass blame here, but I don't think the whole story is out yet. People in other countries are not having this problem and too many people in this country have a perfectly working phone to have it be a hardware issue. It's not the phone."

"If you don't like your i-phone 4, return it and be refunded the money back. You're entirely entitled to do so by Apple's Sales Regulation within 1 month since your purchase date. And If you want you're even able to put it on Ebay and sell it As-Is, let me know. I might get in on that action. Many people are eager for that! "

"I've got a friend who works in an apple retail store, he said he honestly has not had a single person return the phone because of the antenna. He said when people ask about it he has them call ATT (611) right there and makes the bars drop to nothing and the call still goes through fine. If a recall was actually needed then wouldn't there be a lot of unhappy customers actually returning the phone. All the apple stores are still sold out even though people know about the antenna so clearly it's not a big deal. Certain news organizations and websites are just jumping onto a small issue and blowing it out of proportion."

"Precisely. And the fact that returns are almost non-existent despite weeks of solid propaganda that the iPhone is a piece of crap, sort of demonstrates the whole antenna issue is a tempest in a teapot."


HEY, GUYS, THESE ARE THE ORDINARY PEOPLE'S " NORMAL RESPONSES ", AREN'T THEY????????????????????????

ENGADGET LASTLY COCLUDED,



"This ( Antenna Issue ) affect very small No. of phones
apparently totally over blown by the tech bloggers..
engadget's review unit has never dropped a call or even dropped bars, very few in their survey of testers and units own by employees report any problems at all..
the problem seems to exist in a very small number of units and in certain networks.."


WHAT MAKES ME LAUGH ABOUT SUCH " BOGUS CONSUMER REPORTS' COUNTERFEIT REPORT ", SAYING ONE FOUTH OF USERS ARE BEING AFFECTED IS

" IF i-Phone 4 HAS FUNDAMENTALLY ANTENNA FLAW, WHAT 'S THE LOGIC OF THE REMAINING 75% OF USERS ARE " NOT AFFECTED, HUHHHHHHHHHHHH???????????"

EXPLAIN IT WHY SCIENTIFICALLY, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have to be related to brucep. Inbred son?
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i getting so sick with all the piling on apple
a famous car company sells defective cars for 3 yrs . [etc etc etc] peace

no car company announced that their new brakes were an ingenious new method that nobody else dared to invent before having them fail. Steve got up on stage and said how brilliant this new antenna solution was. [then quietly said we designed a new bumper that looks great on the phone - you can hear the reservation in his voice - almost like he knew he was trying to sell a quiet fix for more $$$]

the bigger the claims of one's success, the bigger the outcries at your failure.
post #34 of 67
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

that *sounds* like they intend to electrically isolate the exterior antenna from the internal connector - which sounds to me like you would be permanently limiting the antenna's range until a new and improved internal only solution is devised.

If am reading that right (and the report is correct) then it sounds like the fix for sometimes I get lousy reception is to always get lousy reception.

Grip of death aside...

... instead of better reception because of the iP4 antenna, you will, likely, get reception comparable to other phones (with internal antennas) like the 3GS.

2 steps forward, 1 step back,

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post #35 of 67
I think exactly the same.

I LOVE EVERYTHING APPLE.
post #36 of 67
So many people here (and our "lovely" new visitors) have really gone off the deep end with this thing.

Anyhow, my fingers are crossed that Apple announces a fix tomorrow.

I'm trying to picture how an Apple Store employee would be able to reliably open an iPhone, modify it, and not leave a trace. My guess is that an in-store fix would have to be externally applied. I'm no engineer, but I picture something akin to a clear vinyl wrap being added to the metal band.

A manufacturing modification would certainly address this internally, which is what I hope Apple announces. I wonder how long it will take for a possibly revamped ip4 to reach market?
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Originally Posted by Mr Underhill View Post

If this rumour has truth to it and Apple do a hardware fix, then the minute someone drops a call or makes a bar fall away it'll start all over again.

We see this with cars. When a customer has a squeak on the brakes, you can change the pads, discs, completely overhaul the brakes. But the moment the squeak comes back the paranoia starts.

They ultimately are never happy until they sell it on or swap the vehicle. To some, iPhones, like cars stir pretty emotive responses. It's quite a phenomena and fascinating to observe. I love coming here to watch it all unfold.

I'll say it again, Apple need a new product launch and they need it soon. New Apple TV anyone?

Wouldn't that be fantastic?! It would def divert attention.
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Look at the teardown and it is fairly easy to imagine an isolation block between the 2 antennas that get bridged.

You don't have to see a teardown to see where the problem is. The outside of the unit has two pieces of bare metal. Touching both with your hand shorts them out and causes the loss of signal.

Nothing on the INSIDE of the unit is going to ever stop the possibility of those two pieces of bare metal getting shorted. They either need to...

1 Cover the antenna (like with a case)
2 Coat the metal antenna with some sort of coating that is transparent to radio waves but not conductive with skin
3 Change something inside the design that makes shorting it not make a difference

With the delays in shipping product and press conference tomorrow, it sure looks like Apple is planning on doing something, and a hardware tweak seems the most likely.
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I've been debating all day today how far the stock is going to drop tomorrow. I can't think of a single realistic thing Apple can say tomorrow that won't hurt their stock. Remember, stock price has little to do with the actual amount of money they'll make, but rather the perceived ability to make money. In store fix - expensive, like this article seems to mention. Bumpers - would cost money, not much, but it's also an inelegant solution that would take all bragging rights away from their design team. Recall - obviously expensive. Software fix - unlikely to happen and many would blow it off as not workable anyway. Saying there is no problem - bad face that will lead to worse PR down the road. They only seem to be able to admit there is a problem and propose a solution to it. All of these will cost money. I'm surprised these article/forums haven't had more discussion of the stock price.

The stock was way down today, then recovered to more or less match the market.

If Apple fully addresses the issues head-on, and puts this behind them, the stock will likely rise in anticipation of Tuesday's earnings call.

The market prefers bad news (layoffs, cutbacks, recalls, etc.) to uncertainty!

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I don't believe this. If it were true, Apple would not have announced that a software glitch was the culprit.

You frickin' fool. Apple DIDN'T.

Quit lying.
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