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post #81 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by wrlsmarc View Post

I am not in breach of the NDA. I am commenting on the performance of the phone after the latest update available to developers. I use my developer phone as a normal phone in addition to development activities. In no way did I discuss new apps or features that the update provides. Those are proprietary until Apple releases it publicly.


iOS SDK 4.1 beta and iOS 4.1 beta are pre-release software and are considered Apple Confidential Information.

iOS 4.1 beta should only be installed on devices dedicated exclusively for iOS 4.1 beta testing. Do not install this software if you do not have a device dedicated exclusively for iOSS 4.1S beta testing.

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post #82 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Gagne View Post

Why don't we all wait untill tomorrow and see what they say, we spent alot of money, I'm sure Apple will do what's in the best interest of their share holders.

Fixed that for you.
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post #83 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Why should we believe you? You obviously lied when you agreed to the NDA or else you somehow obtained the software in an unapproved manner, so that invalidates your remark in my opinion.

That's a bit rough, the NDA does not restrict this discussion, just new features and API. Could be debated. My main point would be that this does not dis-qualify his observation.
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post #84 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Yeah, I have the problem too. When holding the phone up to my head, I get:

-- Calls put on Hold
-- Call trying to switch to FaceTime
-- Calls ending suddenly
-- Phone dials another contact while I'm on the line with a person already

I wonder of any of those experiencing this problem has actually tested it a different way:

1. Make your call.
2. Put it on speaker phone.
3. Lay the phone flat on a table.
4. Put your finger over the sensor to cut out the screen.
5. Watch and see if the screen cuts in and out.

At least this way you could actually see what was going on. I don't have the issue myself, but I tried this and didn't see anything but a blank screen.
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post #85 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

Steve will demonstrate tomorrow on stage that 4.01 fixes the "problem".

If he presents this as a solution to the antenna issue, no more problems, and I really hope he doesn't, Apple is trash to me.
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post #86 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by svnipp View Post

Really??? That's weird. I thought that the proximity sensor issue was pretty much a universal problem. Honestly, I thought this was a software based problem that would pretty much affect all phones rather than a hardware issue. I wonder if maybe I should take in my wife's to see about getting it swapped out? She definitely has problems with the proximity sensor.

Really? Based on what? A few whiner posters on this forum? I, for one don't have the PS problem.

Based on what the guy said maybe you should swap it out. It couldn't hurt.
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post #87 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Gagne View Post

Why don't we all wait untill tomorrow and see what they say, we spent alot of money, I'm sure Apple will do the right thing

That's the thing, some of us are "less sure" of Apple than we used to based upon their inept and somewhat insulting responses to the antenna isssue thus far. Tomorrow, if Apple tries to sell today's patch as the resolution to the antenna/dropped calls issue, it would be a major mistake. I hope that doesn't happen.
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post #88 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by wrlsmarc View Post

I am not in breach of the NDA. I am commenting on the performance of the phone after the latest update available to developers. I use my developer phone as a normal phone in addition to development activities. In no way did I discuss new apps or features that the update provides. Those are proprietary until Apple releases it publicly.

Actually, Apple's NDA says that you can't discuss the update AT ALL in public. Talking about the performance of the update is a clear violation.

I'd suggest that you read things before signing them.
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post #89 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

No bars is the fix. It's your signal stupid! lol.

I would agree with this. In my house I was getting full bars when on 3G. Now I know that on all of my other phones I get a marginal 3G signal at best with 2 bars being the norm. Now the iPhone 4 is showing the same as my other phones (nokia, LG and samsung) when used with the same sim from O2-UK.
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post #90 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:39pm
I have a 3G iPhone, so, obviously this update adds nothing for me. The 3G phones are horrible with iOS 4, and it doesn't look like 4.0.1 fixes all the problems 3G phones are having.
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post #91 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

OK...I have 4.0.1 on now. From the exact same location in my home, my bars went from 5 to 3.


It is clear to me why this fix was sent by Apple. Apple is attempting to throw AT&T under the bus. Most (dumb) users will now think that their terrible reception is AT&T's fault and not Apple's poor antenna design.

I have other phones in my house, Samsung and Moto, and they still display 5 bars for AT&T.

Sad.

Uh, except that Apple is now following AT&T's own algorithm for display signal strength according to what was original stated about the now-released update.
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post #92 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post

If he presents this as a solution to the antenna issue, no more problems, and I really hope he doesn't, Apple is trash to me.

And so you are here only to trash?
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post #93 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:51pm
Woz is now saying that if you can afford it, you should carry around a Verizon phone with your iPhone because of the ass signal that AT&T puts out.

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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

No bars is the fix. It's your signal stupid! lol.
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post #94 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by wrlsmarc View Post

i have noticed the proximity sensor has improved significantly on iOS 4.1 beta.

I can attest to that also. It's the first thing I checked. . . I'm not backleveling to 4.01 though.
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post #95 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:55pm
I still have 5 bars after update...

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post #96 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:57pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Here is how it looks now.

Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.

I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.
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post #97 of 141
7/15/10 at 1:59pm
Are you serious? You are now criticizing Android for using a "skewed" dB rating that was less "skewed" than Apple's own rating yesterday.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Here is how it looks now. Note in the last pic how Android uses the same dB rating for CDMA and GSM and how skewed it is. Going to 89 dB for 5 bars. The iPhone can be in 3 bars now while Android shows 5 bars, but who cares if other handsets are inaccurate so long as its all Apples fault¡



http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/i...-41-signal-fix
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post #98 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by xanthohappy View Post

Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.

I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.

Maybe you can jailbreak sometime and change them back to the old bars. It sucks when you're forced to change your phone.

I wish they could simply add an option in the universal access controls to make the bars bigger for people who can't see as well. I liked the older style slope better. This new slope looks fat and curves a bit. It lost it's "exactness" look to it.
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post #99 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by xanthohappy View Post

Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better.

Really? I think the new bars are much easier to read and see.
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post #100 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

Are you serious? You are now criticizing Android for using a "skewed" dB rating that was less "skewed" than Apple's own rating yesterday.

Way to read into things!

I'm saying the whole bar representation method is "skewed". Until regulatory boards as I've mentioned elsewhere mandate what bars can represent then it's all skewed but it can't be neither inaccurate nor accurate so long as a longer bar indicates a higher dB than a short bar and shorter bar indicates less dB than a longer bar.

I'm also saying that beause of the lack of oversight this isn't something specific to Apple or the iPhone, they are just the only one being blamed for it. What argument do you have that Android's measurements are "accurate" (think hard before you answer)?

Personally, I want it to state the current dB or list the best connection available. For instance:
  • No Service
  • Voice -or- Voice Only
  • GPRS -or- 2G Slow
  • EDGE -or- 2G Fast
  • HS*PA -or- 3G (with other options depending on the 3G tower speed)
  • LTE -or- 4G
But if people want something mostly uninformative and undefined, than something descriptive, then who am I to argue.
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post #101 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by xanthohappy View Post

Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.

I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.

Hmm.. Well xannottoohappy, when you use your iPhone, how much off the time do you actually spend looking at the signal bars?
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post #102 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by Abster2core View Post

And so you are here only to trash?

You have a problem with the English language?

Are you here only to attack criticisms?

I think you know the answer to all those questions. Quit playing dumb. Please.
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post #103 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Aquatic View Post

So anyone that's updated to 4.01 does it fix your proximity sensor issue? Also if anyone has iPhone 4...can a case fix the proximity issue, like it does for the antenna issue?

Sorry buddy, the update does NOT fix the proximity sensor issues. That said, I have heard some reports now that the beta 4.1 update has greatly improved the sensor behavior.
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post #104 of 141
7/15/10 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by patora View Post

I hope it addresses the bluetooth (which it doesn't look like it does). My iPhone keeps disconnecting from Sync in my car.

Are you sure it's not Sync that is the issue? It is afterall a Microsoft product.

AAAhhhhh, I kid. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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post #105 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by Jeff Gagne View Post

Why don't we all wait untill tomorrow and see what they say, we spent alot of money, I'm sure Apple will do the right thing

Most sensible post i have read tonight,..
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post #106 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by xanthohappy View Post

Blech, that's what the bars look like now? The old ones looked way better. I understand changing the formula to more accurately show signal strength, which I would like to update to, but why did they have to change the look of the bars? Stupid.

I want to hold off on the update because I like the look of the old bars better, but I suppose my phone is going to look like that eventually, so I might as well update.

Surely you're not referring the Black-on-white android display? The only thing that's change on the iPhone is the length of the bars themselves.
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post #107 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:08pm
So, a summary of things waiting to be fixed on the iPhone 4:

1. The antenna/reception issues
2. The proximity sensor
3. The photo library creating random all-black photos
4. Adding freshly taken photos to user profiles
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post #108 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by S8ER01Z View Post

While I don't believe this 'fixes' any design issues Apple may have I do believe there WAS a calculation issue and it has now been corrected.

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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

If you have a bad signal, it *is* actually AT&T's fault.

If your other phones showed the signal how it actually *is* instead of being "optimistic" you'd see that the iPhone 4 antenna is actually the *best* antenna design out of those phones. Your actual signal strength is three bars. That's what the update was for, so people now know what the actual signal strength is instead of just seeing five bars all the time.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Here is how it looks now. Note in the last pic how Android uses the same dB rating for CDMA and GSM and how skewed it is. Going to 89 dB for 5 bars. The iPhone can be in 3 bars now while Android shows 5 bars, but who cares if other handsets are inaccurate so long as its all Apples fault¡

Of course, this all depends on your definitions of "corrected" "bad" and "inaccurate". Is there a correct, good, and accurate method for converting signal strength in dB to a stepped bar chart? We can clearly state that Apple's new formula is more evenly distributed, but that's about it. What was Apple's formula for the 3GS and 3G. Is it closer to the old iPhone 4 formula or the new one? (I'd be willing to bet it's closer to the original iPhone 4 formula). How does it compare to other phones? We see that Android uses a formula closer to the original iPhone 4. What about other phones? Is the new iPhone 4 formula closer to the typical formula used by other phones, or is it now an outlier?

What this whole fiasco has made clear is that there appears to be no standard for converting dB to a bar chart. Each phone uses a different formula. And therefore making any judgement based on the number of bars and comparing that between different phones is pure folly. And until someone compares the new formula to a larger sampling of other phones, we can not state that this new formula is more accurate. Accuracy implies there is a standard to compare it to. And there is none.
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post #109 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by MarkAllan View Post

Weird. My download is only 378.0MB. I've got a 3GS rather than 4 though, but I'd be very surprised if it was a different OS download.

Of course its different. Its different for every iPhone and iPod touch generation ever made.
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post #110 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

Surely you're not referring the Black-on-white android display? The only thing that's change on the iPhone is the length of the bars themselves.

Nope, I'm looking at the right bars. Looking at them on my just-updated 3Gs now as well, and I really dislike them. I think this reply nails my thoughts exactly:

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I liked the older style slope better. This new slope looks fat and curves a bit. It lost it's "exactness" look to it.

I do like that the bars seem to better reflect my signal strength though, or at least my data speed. Interestingly enough, in my office where I'm currently sitting, my reception drops from five bars down to four when I pick up my iPhone 3Gs and hold it in my hand.
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post #111 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Issued Thursday afternoon, Apple said that iOS 4.0.1 includes just one fix, improving "the formula to determine how many bars of signal strength to display." It is available for the iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, and iPhone 3G.

But what about:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...=111363&page=6

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When 4.0.1 comes out with its SOFTWARE fix for the problem, and Jobs comes out and declares victory on Friday, all you naysayers will feel so stupid!
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post #112 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:42pm
I wonder how many people who previously said the antenna problem doesn't exist (because they're in an area with a strong signal) will now start seeing bars disappear when they hold the phone "incorrectly".
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post #113 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:44pm
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Originally Posted by backtomac View Post

Oh nooos the internet is going to break!

So the fix was to show more accurate bars? So now I have no bars? I am holding it on top and bottom only... Not even on the sides and now no bars.

This sucks! Don't update your iPhone there's no undo
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post #114 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:46pm
Hope the iPad update fixes my connection problem. From day 1, every hour or so while surfing the net my screen will dim and a message will pop up that says "Connecting". After 10 seconds or so, the pop up will disappear, the screen will brighten and the ipad will be back on track.

I have a single G router and the fix on apples's website does not apply to me, as best I can tell.

I recently upgraded the OS on my iPhone 3G and now the phone performance is terrible. It sometimes takes 15 seconds to open the IM app or for the camera to open up. Screen responsiveness is not smooth and the screen freezes momentarily after I swipe. My phone did not do this before upgrading to OS 4 and now I regret upgrading. Someone told me that the best solution is to synch up the iphone under a new name and then restore the apps and stuff.

Is this true?

I'm not going to upgrade my iPad OS for a few days until I read about peoples' experiences. I don't want to trash the ipad like did my iPhone.
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post #115 of 141
7/15/10 at 3:57pm
If the hardware is altered in different ways from existing iPhone 4's isn't it going to be difficult for most people to know what iPhone 4 version they have or are buying used? Maybe Apple could just put a (u) on the back so people can easily tell the difference?

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post #116 of 141
7/15/10 at 4:10pm
I can't even begin to evaluate either of these updates because the respective restores have failed and the iphone has actually been left in an inconsistent state due to itunes crashing. I may have actually lost data, but at the very least I've lost a lot of time.

I'm beginning to half expect this sort of thing every time I update through itunes, which seems increasingly unfit for purpose (the clue's in the name!)

I adore Apple's products but am beginning to get the sense that they're struggling to cope with the complexity - relative to the pre iphone days - of their product offerings and backward compatibility requirements.

The Microsoft guy might be right when he says the IPhone 4 is Apple's Vista - the infamous antenna problem, the increasingly flaky and outdated device management procedures and, dare I say it, the hubristic over-engineering - they certainly remind me of the frustrations I had with Vista - the very 'final straw' frustrations which made me switch to the simplicity of macs in the first place.

I just hope Apple can pull back from this overconfidence long enough to get it's house in order before doing some serious damage to it's brand.
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post #117 of 141
7/15/10 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Of course, this all depends on your definitions of "corrected" "bad" and "inaccurate". Is there a correct, good, and accurate method for converting signal strength in dB to a stepped bar chart?



Why does Apple use a bar chart anyways? That is so, like, Motorola or something.

I still say they should eliminate it completely until they can make it great.
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post #118 of 141
7/15/10 at 4:38pm
so people. do these two updates make any improvements in ipad and or iphone function. thats all i want to know. thx
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post #119 of 141
7/15/10 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by razormaid View Post

So the fix was to show more accurate bars?

This sucks! Don't update your iPhone there's no undo
Joe

Have you tried RESTORE?
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post #120 of 141
7/15/10 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by mipiers View Post

I can't even begin to evaluate either of these updates because the respective restores have failed and the iphone has actually been left in an inconsistent state due to itunes crashing. I may have actually lost data, but at the very least I've lost a lot of time.

I just hope Apple can pull back from this overconfidence long enough to get it's house in order before doing some serious damage to it's brand.

I bought the first iPhone and now have the iPhone 4. I have never had any problems with syncing, have never lost any data and haven't lost any time.

I'd sugest if you are having this much trouble that the error may be in outdated software or some third party app that is causing the problem.

If you have everything up to date with the current OS, everything works. At least for me.

Are you using iTunes 9.2 with OS 10.6.4? Isn't there a way to tell iTunes that you have a new iPhone and to load everything new?
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