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post #121 of 543
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Originally Posted by guinness View Post

If there was absolutely no problem, Apple would not concern themselves in giving away free cases, they would've just released a press statement, saying something to the effect, "It happens to all phones, we can't control physics.", nor would they want to give up on the profit made on the bumpers.


Apple loves its customers. They learned, maybe not for the first time, just how intensely they love every customer because of the horrible bloggers and media blowing everything all up out of proportion.

They want each and every customer to be totally and completely happy. That is why they are giving away free Bumpers - to make us happy - and NOT because any problem exists.
post #122 of 543
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Originally Posted by dougaa View Post

I have to wonder if it is more than a coincidence that the first time Apple has offered a case for a phone is also for a phone which needs a case to solve an antenna problem.


They have only known about this for 22 days. The Bumper was in production long before that.

Your conspiracy theory doesn't match up with the facts.
post #123 of 543
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

Can anyone find these pictures? Anyone?

Don't know about the stickers Steve jobs was referring to but the manual for the Nokia 2330 clearly has a picture of how to hold the phone without blocking the antenna with the following advice:

Your device may have internal and external antennas. As with any radio transmitting device, avoid touching the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or receiving. Contact with such an antenna affects the communication quality and may cause the device to operate at a higher power level than otherwise needed and may reduce the battery life.

See here:

http://www.mobile-manual.com/text-871.html
post #124 of 543
Don't know about RIM or Nokia, but my iPhone 4 rocks. And I don't need a free case, phone works excellent - hands down the best I've ever owned.

I've got 99 problems but the "Deathgrip" ain't one of them.

.55%??? One would think with a "design flaw" that number would be closer to 100%.
post #125 of 543
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Originally Posted by rorybalmer View Post

The phone is fine.. and from the sounds of it, has been proven better then any other phone in all areas INCLUDING reception, but like all phones can loss signal when held in a certain way in certain areas of already weak signal strength. But if that still isn't enough for you then actually go out and try it, instead of just buying all this at it's word??


Yep. Better than any other phone in all areas. Period.

But the whiners won't be happy unless it can rewrite the laws of science.
post #126 of 543
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Originally Posted by Bilbo63 View Post

Historically, Apple executes very well and when they do fall short, their competitors love to make a big deal out of it. Sometimes I think Apple's own customers need to take a pause and remember that Apple is comprised of human beings with human flaws. They will make mistakes from time to time.

Apple isn't perfect, but I have been far happier with their computers, mp3 players and phones than those made by other companies. If I have ever had an issue, they have always made things right.

RIM and NOKIA make good products, but like it or not some of their phones have the very same flaw. I know that they'd prefer no one point that out, but they do. Apple had no choice but to address this when the very same companies and the media are blowing this all out of proportion and making it sound like an iPhone 4 problem only.

Apple admitted that the iPhone 4 isn't perfect and that they are working hard to rectify the situation. But, in the meantime, here is a free bumper. We understand it is not a fix but a work-around, but it will alleviate the problem for the time being. If you are still unhappy, we'll refund your money.

Personally, I'm cool with that.

I agree.

Considering Every computer, MP3 player and Phone I've ever had from apple has far surpassed my expectations of it, I am perfectly happy with giving apple the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, when it comes to choosing to believe Apple or the press, Apple or some un-named guys off You Tube, or Apple or Consumer reports, I'm gonna go with Apple.

But hey if it turns out all the other guys were right and this is the ONE apple product that doesn't blow my mind with how good it is.. I can just bring it back. Easy Peasy

Lets not forget, Consumer report's web traffic is going to go through the roof because of all this media attention and will essentially stay through the roof until they decide to recommend iPhone 4 again. I mean they actually still call iPhone 4 the best smart phone on the market, but won't recommend it for an issue every other phone they recommend has. I kind of get the feeling they're milking this for exposure.
post #127 of 543
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

What is the difference? The 3GS is the best phone out there except for the 4.

I would ask where you're getting your information but from your posts you seem like the DaHarder of the apple side.
post #128 of 543
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

The iPhone 4 is the only phone that can go from 5 bars to 0 bars with the touch of a single finger at a small part of the case.

Apple is right to be criticized for this obvious design flaw. This is not standard attenuation.

With the more accurate(?) display of bars (the 4.0.1 fix), the iP4 no longer drops from 5 to 0 bars.

What is the standard?

4 bars to 1 bar?

4 bars to 0 bars?

These were both demonstrated on competitive phones at the press event.


And, if you will spend a little more time on enlightenment, rather than entitlement-- I think you will find many videos showing various smart phones losing 1 or more bars-- some display a max of 4 bars and lose them all when held improperly.

There are some people pissed that their smart phones drop signals, have poor call quality, and drop calls-- they are not all Apple customers.

Try some of the links below-- watch and learn! Pay special attention to the comments of the customers, where present.

A couple of the videos appear to have been taken down??



{QUOTE davesw ]
Videos: death grip on EVO, Droid Incredible, Nexus One, Galaxy 1, G1, etc.




* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg

* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH...eature=related

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M

* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/...9184c33e&hl=en

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post #129 of 543
But of course, neither official response made any attempt to deny or refute Apple's examples. They simply didn't enjoy having their own issues highlighted.
post #130 of 543
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Originally Posted by Malligator View Post

Could you take some call drop data on your iPhone 4 for a month or two to give us some real-world data so we can see what the actual drop rate is from an unbiased non-Apple tester? You do have an iPhone 4, right? You certainly speak as if you do.


Anybody who would claim that "Apple is deflecting the real issue here" can't possibly own an iPhone.

Don't hold your breath waiting for his "unbiased" results!
post #131 of 543
RIM and Nokia should be thanking Steve jobs for giving them free publicity.

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post #132 of 543
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Originally Posted by lundy View Post

Hey, if you're gonna notify us about a personal attack, don't quote the damn thing in your own post.

Best damn post in weeks! Now, don't STFU!

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post #133 of 543
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But of course, neither official response made any attempt to deny or refute Apple's examples. They simply didn't enjoy having their own issues highlighted.

I agree with your Comment COMPLETELY man. EXACTLY!!

Although, I'm sure this is exactly what everyone expected these companies to say.

I actually thought this was a perfect opportunity for Nokia to gain the upper hand here and maybe zing apple by saying "Yes, this is an issue that every smartphone has but at least we have the courtesy of warning people with a sticker so they know what they are buying into!" lol but of course they just came along with this PR garbage instead :P
post #134 of 543
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Best damn post in weeks! Now, don't STFU!


Ah, the impertinence of youth.
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post #135 of 543
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Originally Posted by dillio View Post

>>This is a rant<<

I am an Apple and Steve Jobs fan, but disappointed at how this "Antennagate" was handled.

First, Steve was a conceited in his tone, and it just goes along with the hubris from Apple lately.

Second, their trying to dilute the antenna problem by saying it affects the rest of the industry is a far cry from their philosophy when they launched the iPhone. Instead of saying that all other phones suffer from it, they should have offered an "Apple" approach. Remember how the IPhone is so much better than the other phones, in so many aspects. Well, why play that card now that all the other phones suck, and so why can't ours. They shouldn't even mention that. If people didn't notice that the other phones suffer from the same thing don't even mention it. Just make yours even better than the rest. All of a sudden we're comparing the iPhone to the rest when up until now it was always a step above. This is no excuse. This should have been discovered and addressed in testing. Even if it wasn't a problem, someone should have anticipated and been prepared for this media blowing it out of proportion, and have an answer at the ready.

It goes to show that nobody is perfect, not even when it comes to their bread-and-butter product (like Microsoft with Vista, and this, Apple and the iPhone).

Sure, they're not perfect, but they have an attitude like they are. They made everyone expect much better from them than everybody else. Then live up to that.

I actually like where you're going with this post.. but this isn't a copy and past thing, where they can take the feature and make it their own. This is just Physics which he is saying you can't avoid. If you cover up a signal, it will weaken. Period. It doesn't matter what company you are or what product you have. If a technological ability doesn't exist then it doesn't exist.. Apple or Not.

Some times I think people just expect way to much of Apple. I guess that's what they get for consistently making product better then any other company can even dream of. lol.
post #136 of 543
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Here's a universal case that fits any smart phone with antenna problems:



Most users will avoid gripping it, altogether!

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post #137 of 543
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Originally Posted by Malligator View Post

Could you take some call drop data on your iPhone 4 for a month or two to give us some real-world data so we can see what the actual drop rate is from an unbiased non-Apple tester? You do have an iPhone 4, right? You certainly speak as if you do.

iphone 4 drops more call than iphone 3GS. this is not my judgement this is what one of yesterdays topic on this forum.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...phone_3gs.html
post #138 of 543
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I'm so glad Apple held a press conference and cleared up any misunderstandings so there would be no further fighting and bickering!

Over 130 posts and counting. Ye who make up the AI forum are unmatched in your ability to make a big deal out of nothing. You are all pathetic fanbois. Have some more Kool Aid and keep posting. Don't leave your grandmother's basement and chase a ball or anything.

Bye.

PS The iPhone 4 is doomed!

It's obviously doomed.

I mean before this all happened their was 2 week waits to get one.. and now there is only.. hmm three week waits...

That's odd cause for a second there I thought you weren't just a complete retard who makes fun of people for posting on forums that you clearly read and post on.
post #139 of 543
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Originally Posted by dillio View Post

>>This is a rant<<

I am an Apple and Steve Jobs fan, but disappointed at how this "Antennagate" was handled.

First, Steve was a conceited in his tone, and it just goes along with the hubris from Apple lately.

Second, their trying to dilute the antenna problem by saying it affects the rest of the industry is a far cry from their philosophy when they launched the iPhone. Instead of saying that all other phones suffer from it, they should have offered an "Apple" approach. Remember how the IPhone is so much better than the other phones, in so many aspects. Well, why play that card now that all the other phones suck, and so why can't ours. They shouldn't even mention that. If people didn't notice that the other phones suffer from the same thing don't even mention it. Just make yours even better than the rest. All of a sudden we're comparing the iPhone to the rest when up until now it was always a step above. This is no excuse. This should have been discovered and addressed in testing. Even if it wasn't a problem, someone should have anticipated and been prepared for this media blowing it out of proportion, and have an answer at the ready.

It goes to show that nobody is perfect, not even when it comes to their bread-and-butter product (like Microsoft with Vista, and this, Apple and the iPhone).

Sure, they're not perfect, but they have an attitude like they are. They made everyone expect much better from them than everybody else. Then live up to that.

If you consider a 94.45% satisfaction rating with the iPhone 4 to be "not living up to that" (a higher standard), then I suggest you may never find satisfaction with any product you ever purchase.

I still don't get all the anger out there. Mine has worked flawlessly, as has all the iPhone models I have purchased (3G and up). However, if someone is having a horrible experience, as I did when I moved from one state to another when the AT&T / Cingular tower conversions where going on in 2002/2003? Well, then I feel your pain. But judging by the HUGE number of new posters here and elsewhere, that magically appeared when the antenna issue was first bandied about? I have no doubt that most of them have never even held an iPhone 4, let alone own one.
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post #140 of 543
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Originally Posted by sky_ozone View Post

iphone 4 drops more call than iphone 3GS. this is not my judgement this is what one of yesterdays topic on this forum.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...phone_3gs.html

Is that an Apple issue or an AT&T issue? I mean Steve had the theory about less cases, but at the same time we're dealing with a network that just had 3 million and counting iPhones added to it in a few days.. and AT&T reception wasn't that great to begin with..

I know I'll be buying one the day it gets to Canada. Judging by the massive wait times it doesn't look like things are slowing down in the US anytime soon. IS there anyone here who has actually changed their mind and decided not to buy an iPhone 4 or to return the one they have because of this antenna weak spot issue?
post #141 of 543
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

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Here's a universal case that fits any smart phone with antenna problems:



Most users will avoid gripping it, altogether!

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So Dick, since you presumably live in the East Bay, does that make you an Athletics supporter?
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post #142 of 543
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

I'm so glad Apple held a press conference and cleared up any misunderstandings so there would be no further fighting and bickering!

Over 130 posts and counting. Ye who make up the AI forum are unmatched in your ability to make a big deal out of nothing. You are all pathetic fanbois. Have some more Kool Aid and keep posting. Don't leave your grandmother's basement and chase a ball or anything.

Bye.

PS The iPhone 4 is doomed!

Increased antenna performance design per Apple and reader responses, but X marks the spot where you will decrease its superior performance if you bridge it. Small effort on the part of the user to avoid dropped calls in low bandwidth areas.
Not so much a bad trade off.
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post #144 of 543
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Is that an Apple issue or an AT&T issue? I mean Steve had the theory about less cases, but at the same time we're dealing with a network that just had 3 million and counting iPhones added to it in a few days.. and AT&T reception wasn't that great to begin with..

It's hard to know how many phones were added to AT&Ts network, since no doubt many iPhone 4s are replacing older iPhones or other phones on AT&T.
post #145 of 543
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post #146 of 543
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Bottom Line:

Apple Screwed Up By Choosing Aesthetics Over Functionality, They're Attempting To Appease The Masses Until They Can Re-Engineer A Real Solution, and Pointing Out (alleged) Issues With Competing Handsets Doesn't Help..

Note: Rubber Bandages To Cover Up The Flaw Is Not A Real Solution -

At this point, they're defending themselves in the media & the blogosphere, which have jumped on and repeated the allegations made by CR and others who have spun it into "Antennagate." If by "The Masses" you mean the 99.45% of iPhone 4 owners who are not complaining or the millions of others who are trying to buy one, then no, I don't think they need to be "appeased."

And, contrary to what you say, I think it has helped to remind the public that you can hold any cell phone in a way that affects signal strength. Apple wasn't picking on RIM or Nokia, just using some well known competing brands to illustrate their point, which is that all phones are affected.

The "Rubber Bandages" aren't a cover up for anything, because I can use my iPhone 4 just fine without it. I went to lunch on Wednesday with 3 other guys who also have iPhone 4s, and none of us need "rubber bandages" because none of us have experienced the alleged issues.

The only real flaw is that Apple's signal bars were so wrongly calculated that it would show a 5-to-1 bar drop if you were in an area with a marginal signal which was erroneously being reported as 5 bars.

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post #147 of 543
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

By the way, having seen in the bottom of your post that you are waiting until October for a hardware fix, what sort of thing will you consider a "fix"?

I can't see how they can stop the attenuation effects of your hand being close to the antenna, unless they put it inside the phone, and I don't see them changing the appearance of the phone at the moment.

Detuning an attenuation are not the same thing. They said bumpers until September 30th because they'll change the antenna in some way by then. I can wait, and I will.
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post #148 of 543

Well i watched that expecting it to be a video of the droid x not working, then the guy says there is no issue its a mistake with his phone.
post #149 of 543
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Originally Posted by st3v3 View Post

Well i watched that expecting it to be a video of the droid x not working, then the guy says there is no issue its a mistake with his phone.

There is an issue.


Verizon PR and Marketing folks in action. Why was the video CENSORED???

here it is again.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/
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post #151 of 543
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

There is an issue.


Verizon PR and Marketing folks in action. Why was the video CENSORED???

here it is again.


http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-kFc..._with_droid_x/

I think it was self-censored. Something about the kid having damaged the phone according to the comments. Regardless all phones get some sort of loss, video isn't really necessary to prove it.
post #152 of 543
I'm really surprised at people Apple a pass on the "the others guys do it too" defense.
post #153 of 543
A couple of old dinosaurs trying to respond to the inevitable.

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post #154 of 543
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Originally Posted by Malligator View Post

So, your assertion is that the other phones drop bars, but only the iPhone 4 actually drops the calls? How do you know? Do you have one? Or are you just going by the word of the tech press? How does someone admit a problem without owning up to it? What is the time limit for full disclosure? If a company's metrics don't show a problematic trend are they supposed to just jump at the beck and call of the blogs begging and pleading to be forgiven for an egregious mistake?

I only know one person with an iPhone 4. I played around with it a couple of days after she got it before antennagate took off. I didn't speak with her again until last night when I jokingly asked how she likes her horrible iPhone 4. She said she gets better reception and can make calls in what were deadspots for her 3GS. We can nerd-rage about dBm and bars all we want, but in the end if the phone works there is no problem.

In several threads (there have been so many) in the past 21 days, some posters identified a potential 3G to Edge handoff issue. One poster said that he lived in a marginal area.

He could make 3G calls with his 3GS, but they would usually drop to Edge.

With his iP4 he would make the call with 3G. Then (to paraphrase) the iP4 really really tried to hang on to the 3G connection-- when it couldn't, it dropped the call (never handing off to Edge). He said it was repeatable.

His workaround was to turn the 3G radio off. No dropped calls.

A case would not have helped, because he could do this with the iP4 sitting on the desktop.

Several others reported similar problems, but they were drowned out by the feeding frenzy.

It is my understanding that:

-- both the 3G (if on) and Edge radios poll every n seconds to acquire a signal (using software/firmware)
-- software evaluates the signal strength for each radio
-- based on the evaluation the software chooses which connection to use-- with 3G given priority over Edge.
-- the polling and evaluation of signal strength go on continuously,
-- If the iOS software detects a week signal it will try and hand off to the other radio before dropping the call
-- normally this would be 3G degrading (being handed off ) to Edge.
-- If the 3G signal regains strength, a upgrade handoff is made to 3G.
-- the handoff/switch over may take a second or so.
-- there are built-in averaging algorithms and delays to prevent constant switching between radios,

So, there is a possibiliy of a cell radio hardware, firmware or software bug/defect.

Consider that the iP4 adds a new radio band and uses completely different cell radio chips than any prior iPhone. There seems to be potential exposure here-- different drivers, different signal values, different evaluation algorithms, and different software for switching,

This, also, could be the reason that Apple removed the Field Test-- it didn't work with the new chips.


I certainly am no expert, here, but this is the most reasonable explanation I can come up with for dropped calls being different on the iP4 than the 3GS.


Anecdotally: I live about 60 miles East of San Francisco -- AT&T 3G coverage is pretty good -- about 3-4 bars after the 4.0.1 update (solid 5 bars before). About a week after I got my iP4 I called a friend in Boston. She has a 3GS. We talked for about an hour and the call was dropped about 4 times (I had never experienced a dropped call before). The odd thing, is that my iP4 never lost connection (you could hear the open connection). After a few seconds (say, 10-15), my friends voice would come back on the line and she would apologize "that's AT&T". After we ended the call (normally), she emailed me that she couldn't call out on her 3GS, at all, Weird!

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Originally Posted by st3v3 View Post

I think it was self-censored. Something about the kid having damaged the phone according to the comments. Regardless all phones get some sort of loss, video isn't really necessary to prove it.

yeah right....."self-censored"...he accidentailly damaged the phone. haha. right...


how about the videos for Droid Incredible? EVO? the Nexus One?
post #156 of 543
You've gotta love Nokia. I mean, these guys value function over form, so that their phones are the fugliest on earth, yet the OS is still crap.
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post #157 of 543
i'm bored and it's 94 degrees and it's hot and humid as hell. comparing my nyc 94 to arizona's 94 still wont make me want to move.

so what we need for a little boredom relief, is an app that would let you deliver a small electric charge to anybody disagreeing with you or making false statements. if they were anti apple, the charge would be a little stronger.
post #158 of 543
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You've gotta love Nokia. I mean, these guys value function over form, so that their phones are the fugliest on earth, yet the OS is still crap.


Death Grip:


Nokia 5800

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPY4axjJEk


Nokia 6170

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Originally Posted by dillio View Post

>>This is a rant<<

I am an Apple and Steve Jobs fan, but disappointed at how this "Antennagate" was handled.

First, Steve was a conceited in his tone, and it just goes along with the hubris from Apple lately.

Second, their trying to dilute the antenna problem by saying it affects the rest of the industry is a far cry from their philosophy when they launched the iPhone. Instead of saying that all other phones suffer from it, they should have offered an "Apple" approach. Remember how the IPhone is so much better than the other phones, in so many aspects. Well, why play that card now that all the other phones suck, and so why can't ours. They shouldn't even mention that. If people didn't notice that the other phones suffer from the same thing don't even mention it. Just make yours even better than the rest. All of a sudden we're comparing the iPhone to the rest when up until now it was always a step above. This is no excuse. This should have been discovered and addressed in testing. Even if it wasn't a problem, someone should have anticipated and been prepared for this media blowing it out of proportion, and have an answer at the ready.

It goes to show that nobody is perfect, not even when it comes to their bread-and-butter product (like Microsoft with Vista, and this, Apple and the iPhone).

Sure, they're not perfect, but they have an attitude like they are. They made everyone expect much better from them than everybody else. Then live up to that.

Great post.

This is Apple's "Toyota Moment". They set themselves up as infallible (which nobody is), then utterly blew their management of a PR debacle.

And in the worst of things, even Toyota didn't resort to putting themselves on par with their competition (i.e. "But GM and Ford cars have problems too!").

Anyway I fully agree: face up to the problem, fix it, and get on with life. Don't cop out by lowering yourself to the rest of the industry.
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Can anyone find these pictures? Anyone?

Ha! I saw one with a big yellow sticker. It was on the back of the phone and there was this recessed brass screw.

I think it was posted to the official Nokia Blog that made fun of the iP4 grip of death

But if you google around: image nokia antenna warning,,,

There are some links, but they seem to have been taken down!

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