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post #201 of 543
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

Death Grip:


Nokia 5800

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MPY4axjJEk

What a terrible video, the guy couldn't hold the phone, or the camera still. They wouldn't show how they were holding the phone, a poor, poor example.
post #202 of 543
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funny how RIM and Nokia are not denying their phones suffer from the death grip as well

No they don't. But they don't tell their users they are holding the device wrong when held naturally either.

I had a look at those pictures on the Apple site, the person is holding everyone of those phones differently. Apple made a massive mistake, and is now trying to blame everyone for their mistake.
post #203 of 543
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

THAT is how clueless

Quadra, I know, and everyone else knows you suckle on the Apple teat each day, but your pathetic attempts at jokes are getting a little tired. Steve Jobs has never designed, or engineered a device in his life, he wouldn't know where to start. Steve Jobs is a marketer, a brilliant maybe, but that is all he is.

How about posting something constructive for once.
post #204 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

No they don't. But they don't tell their users they are holding the device wrong when held naturally either.

Its a good thing Apple never said those words then.
post #205 of 543
On page 14 of this manual, Nokia asks users not to touch antenna while phone is on to avoid degrading call quality.

http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/g...1100_UG_en.pdf

Nokia has known about this issue and now they are trying to claim that their phones are perfect?
They are full of it!

Time will tell.
post #206 of 543
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

On page 14 of this manual, Nokia asks users not to touch antenna while phone is on to avoid degrading call quality.

http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/g...1100_UG_en.pdf

Nokia has known about this issue and now they are trying to claim that their phones are perfect?
They are full of it!

Time will tell.

Straight from a Nokia Manual:

"Your phone has a built-in antenna. As with any other radio transmitting device, do not touch the antenna unnecessarily when the phone is switched on. Contact with the antenna affects call quality and may cause the phone to operate at a higher power level than otherwise needed. Not touching the antenna area during a phone call optimises the antenna performance and the talktime of your phone."
post #207 of 543
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

On page 14 of this manual, Nokia asks users not to touch antenna while phone is on to avoid degrading call quality.

Well for starters, are you trying to compare a Nokia 1100 to a iPhone? The Nokia 1100 would have retailed around $100 if not less, the iPhone is over $600

And if you had bothered looking at that page you quoted, you would have seen the reference there is very different than the design flaw the iPhone has.
post #208 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Apple hasn't admitted anything, that is the point of the thread.

i don't know where you are getting this rubbish from. at approx 23:10, if i recall correctly, Steve Jobs admits there is a problem. he goes on to say that they will continue to work on solutions, hence free bumpers running til the end of september for the meantime.
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post #209 of 543
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Its a good thing Apple never said those words then.

That is the perception, and for most people, good or bad, perception is reality.
post #210 of 543
Its called deflecting and its BS that SJ resorted to it. Why are you onstage holding up supposedly inferior products? Imagine any other CEO holding up an iPhone during a press conference to defend a problem. The cry of bloody murder from the fanboys would be deafening.
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post #211 of 543
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Straight from a Nokia Manual:

Well it is a good thing that the phone in question doesn't have the antenna right where you hold the phone normally.
post #212 of 543
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

i don't know where you are getting this rubbish from. at approx 23:10, if i recall correctly, Steve Jobs admits there is a problem. he goes on to say that they will continue to work on solutions, hence free bumpers running til the end of september for the meantime.

Apple. Steve Jobs claims this happens on all phones, if this is true, then how can they work for a solution? So which statement is Apple lieing about?
post #213 of 543
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Human nature is a strange thing. You will find that few people actually take the time to complain about something, most will just complain to their family/friends or post messages on a board.

laugh out loud. the stats don't back you up so you resort to this clap-trap. if i spent hundreds of dollars on something that ties me into a contract in which i will spend a couple of thousand dollars more, and face the prospect of using this "faulty" product for 2 years minimum, i'd be calling the manufacturer about the problem immediately. people aren't apathetic when it comes to these amounts of money.
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post #214 of 543
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Apple. Steve Jobs claims this happens on all phones, if this is true, then how can they work for a solution? So which statement is Apple lieing about?

I assume 'fanning' refers to fanning a flame, what's the j for? Joke?
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post #215 of 543
Nokia manual: See Page 11 for Warning about internal and *external* Nokia antennas.

http://www.nokiausa.com/files/suppor...es-LAM_1.0.pdf

Get with the program Nokia. You are so full of i!t
post #216 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Apple. Steve Jobs claims this happens on all phones, if this is true, then how can they work for a solution?

Why cannot they work on a solution to this problem on the iPhone?
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post #217 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Well it is a good thing that the phone in question doesn't have the antenna right where you hold the phone normally.

Oh yeah? What about this one... See page 11.

http://www.nokiausa.com/files/suppor...es-LAM_1.0.pdf

Nokia is full of it!
post #218 of 543
Despite being on what some consider to be the worst network in the US and this overblown antenna debacle, the iPhone 4 is STILL the best smartphone bar none(pun intended).

No other phone or product for that matter could survive this media blitz and still be sold out all over the country. Of course the logic around here is that fanboys will buy anything that Apple produces, but when I counter with the pitiful sales of AppleTV and MacBook Air, they go silent.
post #219 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Apple hasn't admitted anything, that is the point of the thread.

Did you just wake up?
post #220 of 543
Of course there's going to be a drop in signal when you block the antenna. The difference is that RIM\\Nokia antennas are generally placed at the top/bottom of the phone, where it's less likely to be blocked.

I thought the original problem was that for some people touching the Steve spot on the 4 bridged the two antennas together, causing them to stop working altogether. So it's actually a twofold issue for the 4, blocking the antenna (which is for the most part neutralized by the stronger reception by being external) and some peoples chemistries shorting the antenna, whereas the majority of phones only have to deal with the former, which is minimized by smart placement.

RIM's statement is spot on, it really is down to Apple's design choices. Have to hand it to SJ though, I didn't think his reasoning would change public opinion so sharply, as it seemed rather weak to me. Though forfeiting the "magical" quality and saying they're on level with other phones have to face may have been too high a price.
post #221 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

No they don't. But they don't tell their users they are holding the device wrong when held naturally either.

I had a look at those pictures on the Apple site, the person is holding everyone of those phones differently. Apple made a massive mistake, and is now trying to blame everyone for their mistake.

1.77% return rate.


0.5% Apple care complaints.


This is a non-issue for 99% of all iPhone 4 owners.


The only people really affected by all these are Android trolls like you jealous of the iPhone 4.
post #222 of 543
Can someone remind me what the return rate is for the iPhone 4? The ".55%" represented what???
post #223 of 543
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Originally Posted by jfanning View Post

Apple. Steve Jobs claims this happens on all phones, if this is true, then how can they work for a solution? So which statement is Apple lieing about?

Just like you-- all of them, none of them or some of them!

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post #224 of 543
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Nokia manual: See Page 11 for Warning about internal and *external* Nokia antennas.

http://www.nokiausa.com/files/suppor...es-LAM_1.0.pdf

Get with the program Nokia. You are so full of i!t



ROFL nice.
post #225 of 543
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Originally Posted by kibitzer View Post

thanks for the update, dick. Video at 10! Meantime, keep a close watch on the t.i.t. Action ... So far on this thread, all we've had are posts from a lot of slow-swinging hosers.

lol!

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post #226 of 543
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson View Post

Indeed it is not, and here is a good explanation of the difference:

http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys...?currentPage=2

By the way, having seen in the bottom of your post that you are waiting until October for a hardware fix, what sort of thing will you consider a "fix"?

I can't see how they can stop the attenuation effects of your hand being close to the antenna, unless they put it inside the phone, and I don't see them changing the appearance of the phone at the moment.

It'd be a super easy fix that wouldn't affect the appearance of the phone one bit. They could just apply some clear type of coating to the antennas that will keep our hands from touching them and causing all this BS....Can't believe they didn't do it in the first place when one of their OWN techs voiced concern...
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Here it is Saturday after a feeding frenzy. There are only 220 some posts to this thread-- mostly antis and pros (like myself) just hanging on... playing!

The focus has changed-- iP4 Antennagate is no longer newsworthy.

We'll hear a few whimpers but the story is dead-- it has no legs!



The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, moves on...

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post #229 of 543
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It'd be a super easy fix that wouldn't affect the appearance of the phone one bit. They could just apply some clear type of coating to the antennas that will keep our hands from touching them and causing all this BS....Can't believe they didn't do it in the first place when one of their OWN techs voiced concern...

I really hope a durable clear coating is the solution - otherwise we're going to go through this again as the Fandroids do their Ha Ha dance.
post #230 of 543
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Cause if you don't have an iPhone 4 then you're never ever going to get laid!!

Hell, it's the only reason I bought one!
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post #231 of 543
One has to wonder just how much companies like Nokia or RIM helped fan the flames of this fury, and how much fuel they actually contributed to the fire.
post #232 of 543
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Well for starters, are you trying to compare a Nokia 1100 to a iPhone? The Nokia 1100 would have retailed around $100 if not less, the iPhone is over $600

Man you're a tool. So the problem is only valid if the phone is over $100? Go home.
post #233 of 543
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I really hope a durable clear coating is the solution - otherwise we're going to go through this again as the Fandroids do their Ha Ha dance.

Choose some nice clear tape as thick as you can find. Cut a thin strip two inches long and you're done. When that peels off - repeat. Not ideal but minor. Better than a taped shut battery flap, are taped together plastic casing of which I don't know how many I have had. Or, for the phone clutchers amongst you - if you are in a weak signal area, change the grip slightly. You know, just a minor adjustment like you might change your grip slightly when holding a camera with tele zoom on it. To steady it at extreme zoom a slight adjustment is usually necessary.
Re the hand getting in the way for data transmission - who clutches the phone when downloading data, anyway?
post #234 of 543
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't. They can't win. If they hand the PR in the normal fashion with uncaring press releases they look like jerks. If they give out free cases they look like they are admitting that the problem is actually as big as the tech press has made it out to be.

Just be honest and admit that what Apple haters want is for Apple to say they are horrible people and that they are going to refund every cent to any one that has ever bought an Apple product before they close their doors for good, but not before Steve Jobs commits suicide in his secret underground bunker.

Agreed. If the problem is as big as it is STILL being made out to be, the majority of the THREE MILLION iPhones will be returned by this time next week.

I have a feeling it isn't going to happen.

And like any good jury case, we've got experts who say the whole issue is overblown and that the iPhone has no more design flaws than any other phone, and experts who say it is a serious design flaw and Apple knew it and should therefore refund the money of all complainants along with punitive damages.

Apple did well in the press conference, and as is usually the case (pun intended), didn't satisfy every single person on the planet.

I was worried. I am now going to buy an iPhone 4.
post #235 of 543
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Originally Posted by stillman View Post

Don't know about the stickers Steve jobs was referring to but the manual for the Nokia 2330 clearly has a picture of how to hold the phone without blocking the antenna with the following advice:

Your device may have internal and external antennas. As with any radio transmitting device, avoid touching the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or receiving. Contact with such an antenna affects the communication quality and may cause the device to operate at a higher power level than otherwise needed and may reduce the battery life.

See here:

http://www.mobile-manual.com/text-871.html

Thank you.
post #236 of 543
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1.77% return rate.


0.5% Apple care complaints.


This is a non-issue for 99% of all iPhone 4 owners.


The only people really affected by all these are Android trolls like you jealous of the iPhone 4.

That's right. Phandroid hates iPhone because Android sucks.
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Choose some nice clear tape as thick as you can find. Cut a thin strip two inches long and you're done. When that peels off - repeat. Not ideal but minor. Better than a taped shut battery flap, are taped together plastic casing of which I don't know how many I have had. Or, for the phone clutchers amongst you - if you are in a weak signal area, change the grip slightly. You know, just a minor adjustment like you might change your grip slightly when holding a camera with tele zoom on it. To steady it at extreme zoom a slight adjustment is usually necessary.
Re the hand getting in the way for data transmission - who clutches the phone when downloading data, anyway?

I don't need the clear coating for me - if I want the phone uncovered I can use nail varnish - I'll be getting a case/cover - probably totally protective in case I drop it.
I want the clear cover for those who must have the phone without a cover (lord knows why) and are too entitled too self righteous use tape. I want the clear coating so I don't have to hear them moan anymore
post #238 of 543

Flogging a dead horse I know, but the difference with iPhone 4 is that you have no choice but to hold the antenna - have any of you missed this? In addition, there appears to be a spot, where when held, can interrupt signal entirely.

Like Steve said, in a different context, you cannot beat the laws of physics.
post #239 of 543
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Flogging a dead horse I know, but the difference with iPhone 4 is that you have no choice but to hold the antenna - have any of you missed this?.

no one missed this. what you are missing is that this appears to meaningfully effect a very very small number of iPhone 4 users, and that remedies are available to them from a free case to full refund.
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post #240 of 543
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No they don't. But they don't tell their users they are holding the device wrong when held naturally either.

I had a look at those pictures on the Apple site, the person is holding everyone of those phones differently. Apple made a massive mistake, and is now trying to blame everyone for their mistake.

Do me a favor, use factual data to make comments and do not just use words for sake of it like 'massive'. It does not matter were you grip the phone on other smartphones, the point is the same effect happens. People grip their phones different depending on the design and their personal choice, so i doubt the way the experiments were undertaken in Apple labs are less credible.

Note: 0.55% of total ATT users registered an issue and return rate is 1/3 of that compared to 3GS.

Problem is once media fills people brains with garage, they have hard time releasing from the garage and continue to agree with such garage.

If I had been RIM and Nokia, I would have kept my mouth shut, because saying that its Apple's problem and you know, you have the same issue, well lets all act like ostrich stick our head in the ground.
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