Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore
What evidence do you have that iPhone db drop is higher than norm?
None. You are merely an irrational koolade drinking hater.
Why is this the automatic assumption to anything not "pro-apple" here? I'm assuming you missed the anandtech review EVERYONE else on this forum sawhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/t...one-4-review/2
Originally Posted by bdkennedy1
The RIM phone is released to the public so therefore it's game. I saw the phone being held normally and the bars go down to one. That's all there is to it.
But a major topic was the effect on data, voice quality, etc. They didn't touch on that. If you're happy with a slight glazing over of the issue, that's you.
Originally Posted by aestival
Seriously? -- these other companies were all too happy to make gratuitous references to Apple's bad press, so good on Apple for making it clear that the others have problems too. As for the technical side, this issue long ago became a media issue rather than a technical issue (a technical issue that is trivially solved by using a case on your smartphone was never a real issue anyway).
I spoke only of RIM. When did RIM say something? Seems like you were personally affected by this bad press on the iphone for some reason.
Originally Posted by pinkybrain
This is unscientific but:
I live in a fringe area. I have tried various grips with a BB Curve, a Motorola W385, a 3GS and a 4. The death grip on the 4 drops 24 db and the indication changes to no service from 5 bars (pre-patch ios4). The curve, the 385, and the 3GS all will maintain a call connection.
If I use a bumper on the 4 or wear a glove, it gives the best connection and audio quality of the group. Lowest noise, no artifacts. Great phone. Just don't hold it in your hand in a secure manner.
Point is: of course a persons body and hands are going to affect signal strength. The Apple antenna problem is extreme and was totally avoidable. Observed on the 4: 24 db loss. On the 3GS: 5 db (actually a 3 to 5 db gain if you turn the phone upside down).
So, I think it is valid to say that Apple still likes to deflect and deny instead of just manning up. But what the hay, at least they are addressing the problem.
I'd say they solved it. It may not be the resolution expected, but I don't think this is their final solution for the iphone 4. I think the september 30th date was given for a reason, they're clearly still evaluating what to do. At the end of the day, putting a "band-aid" on a phone that otherwise is excellent to fix issues in fringe areas isn't a huge deal to me. If it were a crappy phone, I'd think otherwise.
Originally Posted by LighteningKid
I can understand that they would be upset Apple is calling them out when consumers obviously haven't had significant problems (since we didn't hear about death-grips until Apple pointed to them). At the same time, Steve Jobs did say that he didn't think it would have been such an issue because all phones do it, and if he hadn't proved it, there'd be more trouble. Nokia, especially, has almost no right to be upset since they were making fun of Apple for it.
RIM did sort of get dragged into this, but a consumer who takes even a moment to think will realize Apple isn't insulting RIM - if RIM has the same bar drop but no one noticed before, it means phones can still work with some attenuation (or de-tuning, or what-have-you) so Blackberry or iPhone or whatever, maybe parts of the media really did blow this out of proportion. They're simply proving this is a common issue; they aren't dragging anyone through mud.
That's a really simple way to fix their woes, however. The iphone seems to be more sensitive than the other phones. To say "all phones have signal loss when held, but our new model has more than our old model" doesn't sound so good. They still told the truth, just didn't bother to expand upon it. That said, it is impressive how it holds on to signal even in these fringe areas.
Originally Posted by ArtDecoDalek
The amount of the signal drop, by itself, doesn't say ANYTHING. If the antenna is more sensitive to begin with, and then loses more signal when partially blocked, it can still end up more, or as, sensitive as a phone with an antenna that is less sensitive to begin with. The conclusion that Apple came to when testing the external antenna, that the net result was more performant, is born out by the return/dropped call rate for iPhone 4.
They actually claimed the drop call rate was higher than the 3gs. Not sure how accurate that is though, as either phone might have more or less since I'm pretty much positive most people don't report every dropped call. That would be a hassle.
Originally Posted by Surf Monkey
Hogwash. Apple actually did exactly the right thing. They put the other manufacturers on their heels. It's obvious that many smart phones show the EXACT same behavior as the iPhone 4. Pretending that this is just an Apple problem is just as idiotic as pretending that there is no problem whatsoever. Apple's decision to show how the death grip works on other manufacturer's hardware is exactly what any good marketing department would do: Put the rest of the industry on the defensive.
They show similar behavior but to a less degree. Nobody noteworthy said it was just an apple issue, but many did note that when it does happen with the iphone 4 it is more substantial, even than the 3gs. Plus, they dodged the question about how it happens with a single touch at times and didn't test that either.
Originally Posted by Yuniverse
I disagree. Nokia and others already had made fun of Apple despite themselves having similar problems.
I'm talking about RIM. RIM has nothing to do with Motorola or Nokia's jabs. Did you read what I said?