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If there is an extreme shortage of white iPhones once released, you bet I'm going to mad. I won't be mad and expect anything in return. I'll be mad for the simple fact that I've had to wait for a month and then still not be able to get one. It's not small-minded to express my anger.

It's simply frustrating to have had my mind made up since the announcement of this phone only to be let down severely on pre-order launch day with the announcement of the white iPhone status. 3 million people are already enjoying their black iPhone 4 while a lot of people have been patiently waiting for the white one. It just kind of sucks when you get down to it.

I can hold out though...

I know what you mean

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post #42 of 75
Black is the new black. So there. Problem solved.

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The alleged problems were revealed this week ..... said that the manufacturing issues come from a factory in China ....... A worker with the company's quality control department said that the company is still trying to work out the right balance of paint thickness and opacity, in order to ensure the panel allows enough space for the digitizer overlay, but also gives the level of white that Apple expects the product to have.

Originally Posted by FineTunes
I can't believe that they did not work this out before things went into production. Hope that there will be no QC problems with the paint job.

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It's not a paint job.


Originally Posted by FineTunes
From reading the report--sounded like the panel was painted--but then again I could be wrong--no matter hope that they can meet production quotas otherwise there are going to be some angry people.

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Originally Posted by jz1492 View Post

Looks like the problem lies with the opacity of the paint. White paint may be more translucent than black, hence requiring a heavier coating just so the components inside don't show up as discoloring from the outside. Yet, if the paint is too thick they say it interferes with the digitizer overlay. \

I'm all for an unpainted, crystal clear iPhone 4.

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It's pigmented aluminosilicate glass. The pigment is part of the glass, not painted on the surface.
Then the surface is coated with a clear oleophobic coating.

AI report called it a paint job ø (). The pigment is applied to the surface of the glass not mixed with the glass when it is formed--otherwise the glass would be totally opaque.

"The process is fairly simple where by the dry powders are arranged on sheet glass in any desired pattern or design. The glass is then fired in a kiln only to the point of making the powder stick to the glass, leaving the powder in what appears to be a soft powdery form as opposed fully fusing the powders into the glass."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_painting
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post #44 of 75
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Originally Posted by ernstcs View Post

Dear Apple,

What the US needs right now are some more manufacturing jobs for the many people here, in the US, that currently do not have jobs.

If you're having issues getting enough production out of your factories in lands far away, perhaps consider building a few of them here so you could be one of the few electronics manufacturers that can say Made in the USA.

There are many people looking for a job in the US so you should have no problems finding people willing to work for you at a minimal wage. It may not be quite as cheap as those foreign countries we are all becoming way to dependent on for EVERYTHING (which can be a problem), but your margins are so high I think you may be able to afford it.

After all, when I'm ready to buy my two iPhone 4's later this year...I actually want some to be available.

Think Different...make different.

I agree
post #45 of 75
oh hell no i just bought/ordered an iphone 4 at at&t on saturday i better get it by friday because i need it for school next monday
post #46 of 75
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Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post

I can't believe that they did not work this out before things went into production. Hope that there will be no QC problems with the paint job.

They are working it out before the white iPhones go into production. Unless you wanted them to hold up the black iPhone as well .
post #47 of 75
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That white is ugly. Who wants that? I like my phone the way I like my women, black.

Practicing polygamy 'ey? So you choose women based on the colour of their skin? Good luck with that mate. I hope you become very happy in life.

BTW: Against to what media teaches you women are not objects. But I think you talk about them as such. Oh, and I'm not a woman.
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post #48 of 75
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I'm all for an unpainted, crystal clear iPhone 4.

Great idea!! That would be such a unique product. I would get that over the white or black. Hope someone at Apple is reading this thread for the idea.
post #49 of 75
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They are working it out before the white iPhones go into production.

If the white iPhone 4 was to be released around the 2nd half of July, don't you think that this should have been done already?

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Unless you wanted them to hold up the black iPhone as well .

Never said or implied, nor is there any reason why this would be necessary.

If I was to get an iPhone 4, would get in black. Planning to get iPod Touch around first of next year--in black
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post #50 of 75
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oh hell no i just bought/ordered an iphone 4 at at&t on saturday i better get it by friday because i need it for school next monday

So presently you don't have any phone at all? Should have ordered earlier.
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post #51 of 75
I sure hope they give USA customers first dibbs on White orders. If the supply is so small, we deserve to get them first here in Apple's home country. I'm checking the Apple Store app every hour to be among the first to order mine when they finally start letting us place one. Wish Apple would pre-announce the day they will let us order.   

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post #52 of 75
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

That white is ugly. Who wants that? I like my phone the way I like my women, black.

Then Apple should produce yellow Iphones also...
post #53 of 75
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I sure hope they give USA customers first dibbs on White orders. If the supply is so small, we deserve to get them first here in Apple's home country. I'm checking the Apple Store app every hour to be among the first to order mine when they finally start letting us place one. Wish Apple would pre-announce the day they will let us order.   

Well I don't.

And you deserve it?? Why? It's because of almost USA-exclusive connection problems that the iPhone4 got such a bad mouthing. I think countries with better carriers (and consequently happier customers) deserve it more
post #54 of 75
This is a little nice hint for all VZW stock bulls as to how much yet another phone model may cost to manufacture.

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post #55 of 75
Like watching (white) paint dry takes a whole new meaning.
post #56 of 75
My first though is that the industry has been using laser based devices to cut glass panels for laptops and such for years. It is possible though that Gorrilla glass doesn't respond we'll to lasers.

So they might gave to use abrasive cutting methods. Even so four an hour sounds awfully slow. This makes me wonder if they are talking about the whole fabrication process.

In any event I wouldn't be surprised to find that the hold up is the white paint they want to apply to the external antenna. In other words Apple wants to ship the White iPhone with an insulated antenna. I know that is what I would do to placate the people that can't grab the iPhone properly. If they can make it pretty and more reliable at the same time they will.

The interesting thing here is that I went with the white 3G. If I do upgrade this would be the color I'd go for. Right now the issue is budgeting for either an iPad or an iPhone. Tough.

IPhone 4.0 has a lot of bugs and some nasty performance issues on the 3G. I'm actually hoping for a rev that addresses these issues. I hate to go back to 3.x as 4.0 fixed a lot of bugs in that rev. Now it has it's own bugs and nasty performance issues. Some of those issues appear to be bugs that are unrelated to hardware.

This has me wondering how many 4.0 complaints are actually software issues that are not hardware specific. For example 3G appears to be especially pathetic on the 3G, yet we here blame being put on the iPhone 4s hardware.

I got side tracked there a bit. It will be interesting to see demand for the white when it arrives.

Dave
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Then Apple should produce yellow Iphones also...

You forgot green. If you think we're alone you're wrong!
post #58 of 75
Oh, buyers, you seem just having never seen weeks of overnight shifts to just properly tune software, which is supposed to work on factory lines...

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post #59 of 75
Steve Jobs needs to "accelerate" the production schedule: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk
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post #60 of 75
I think the article is a little vague, it says that they can only make 3 or 4 an hour, but how many are they normally able to produce if there are no problems?

Also this is per machine, how many machines do they have doing this?
post #61 of 75
I'm waiting for a pink model
post #62 of 75
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Originally Posted by manfrommars View Post

With the clumsy launch day with internet problems, the antenna issues and the ongoing supply debacle? I'd say as a launch it rated 2nd on the disaster scale to the me.com meltdown. Popular product? Yes. Best launch ever? That sounds more like the corporate hyperbole I'd expect from Cupertino.

If they ship so much as one phone, this statement can still be true. But supply issues again? You don't say.

3 phones an hour... that's pretty funny

So you are willing to believe a rumors site which says they can make 3 per hour instead of reality where Apple delivered 3 M phones in under a month? Of those, 1.7 M were on launch day, so they produced at least 1.3 M more in the next month. That's a lot better than 3 per hour.

As for the launch being a disaster, the numbers speak for themselves:
- 1.7 M phones on launch day
- 3 M phones in first month
- 1.7% phone returns (70% lower than Apple's previous best selling 3GS)
- 0.55% complaints about the antenna

Any company on the planet would kill for such a 'disaster'.

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Originally Posted by ernstcs View Post

Dear Apple,

What the US needs right now are some more manufacturing jobs for the many people here, in the US, that currently do not have jobs.

If you're having issues getting enough production out of your factories in lands far away, perhaps consider building a few of them here so you could be one of the few electronics manufacturers that can say Made in the USA.

There are many people looking for a job in the US so you should have no problems finding people willing to work for you at a minimal wage. It may not be quite as cheap as those foreign countries we are all becoming way to dependent on for EVERYTHING (which can be a problem), but your margins are so high I think you may be able to afford it.

After all, when I'm ready to buy my two iPhone 4's later this year...I actually want some to be available.

Think Different...make different.

You're talking to the wrong people. At least Apple keeps its support in the US - unlike most companies. It's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to have manufacturing for a high volume consumer electronic device in the US. Environmental laws, health and safety laws, and much higher wages make it unprofitable from the start - and that's before you even consider currency manipulation that China does.

If you want to bring manufacturing back to the U.S., you need to talk with your legislators to address those issues - either by changing the laws or adding tariffs to level the playing field.

Of course, in the latter case, you're going to be paying a LOT more for everything you buy at Walmart.

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Originally Posted by FineTunes View Post

AI report called it a paint job ø (•). The pigment is applied to the surface of the glass not mixed with the glass when it is formed--otherwise the glass would be totally opaque.

"The process is fairly simple where by the dry powders are arranged on sheet glass in any desired pattern or design. The glass is then fired in a kiln only to the point of making the powder stick to the glass, leaving the powder in what appears to be a soft powdery form as opposed fully fusing the powders into the glass."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder_painting

Which (even if AI is describing the process correctly) simply confirms what I said. The color is a pigment that is part of the glass. It is not a paint. Apple specifically called it pigmented glass during one of their descriptions of the phone. Painting is an entirely different process. If it were painted on, it would be easy to scratch the paint off the glass - which doesn't happen.

(Hint, AI rumors are not a reasonable source of facts).

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I sure hope they give USA customers first dibbs on White orders. If the supply is so small, we deserve to get them first here in Apple's home country. I'm checking the Apple Store app every hour to be among the first to order mine when they finally start letting us place one. Wish Apple would pre-announce the day they will let us order.   

If Apple does that, all the non-US customers will complain. Again, there's nothing Apple can do that won't draw complaints.
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post #63 of 75
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Haha, Hispanic women are hot but I don't think there would be much demand for a brown iPhone

There was a brown Zune!
post #64 of 75
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Originally Posted by ernstcs View Post

Dear Apple,

What the US needs right now are some more manufacturing jobs for the many people here, in the US, that currently do not have jobs.

If you're having issues getting enough production out of your factories in lands far away, perhaps consider building a few of them here so you could be one of the few electronics manufacturers that can say Made in the USA.

Think Different...make different.

Gawd, I hate it when people say things like this. You want to see more things made in the USA? Are you willing to open your wallet and pay MORE for products? Are you willing to pay the overhead for an iPhone made by workers in a Union shop? Oh that's right. You said you want to see "minimal wage" jobs created.

How much money do you make? Do you make "minimal wage?" I bet you don't cause if you did you wouldn't be able to afford to shop at the Apple store and be an Apple fanboi.

Cut the talk radio mentality crap. You are like everybody else. You want it cheap and you want it now. You are an American!!
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

You want it cheap and you want it now. You are an American!!

Well said and true
post #66 of 75
Oh, cut the bleeding heart crap will ya? We've all got our tooling, cutting, milling, sanding, polishing, strengthening, cleaning, coating, printing, baking, treating, assembling, and packaging to deal with. I mean, down here there are literally hundreds and thousands of tooling, cutting, milling, sanding, polishing, strengthening, cleaning, coating, printing, baking, treating, assembling, and packaging -- they're CUTTING and they're SANDING, I can't stand it anymore! They're CUTTING and they're SANDING and they're POLISHING! Why doesn't somebody pull the plug?!
post #67 of 75
The real question is how did the supplier set the pricing? If they set their pricing on being able to be more efficently over time (which I am sure they did) they are in trouble. There is no way they set their original pricing on producing so few units per day. Eventually the supplier will go out of business (if they can't find a quickier way to produce) and then Apple will have to find a new supplier and the screens won't be so cheap. Of course then Apple will pass along the price to us.
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The real question is how did the supplier set the pricing? If they set their pricing on being able to be more efficently over time (which I am sure they did) they are in trouble. There is no way they set their original pricing on producing so few units per day. Eventually the supplier will go out of business (if they can't find a quickier way to produce) and then Apple will have to find a new supplier and the screens won't be so cheap. Of course then Apple will pass along the price to us.

I wish people would quit with this "so few units per day" nonsense.

What we know is that Apple delivered 3 M iPhones to customers in the first month. We have a RUMOR that they're only producing 3 glass blanks per day.

Which one is more credible?
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post #69 of 75
He-he. I was always stunned by the fact, that a useless piece of shit employed in polishing keynotes for his boss is permanently late on all his projects and is making absolutely equal number of errors as the arrogant piece of crap hired to install LHC modules.

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(Hint, AI rumors are not a reasonable source of facts).

It's not?
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post #71 of 75
Those glass panels are supposed to be harder than steel or something, but mine already has two (small) scratches on the front. I'm guessing that came from going into the same pocket as my keys, since the phone hasn't had any more abuse than that. Anyone else experience this?

I would have been more careful if it weren't for the hoopla about that special glass.
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I would like to have ordered a white one but I couldn't wait. My iPhone 3G was rendered useless by iOS4 and I wasn't going to keep paying on a contract for a device that I can't use. Didn't want to cancel and renew later and loose my grandfathered limited unlimited plan either. Besides I have mine in a case so you can't really see much.

I don't understand why you can't order one on the website and get the clock started. They don't even have one on display at my Apple Store.

I should order ten of them and put them on eBay. Rabid Apple fanbois will suck them right up. SLURP!!

How has it been rendered useless with iOS4? My wife's doesn't have any issue with it, she said the camera takes a little longer to activate, but otherwise it is fine. You might only need to reload a few apps on it to fix it.
post #73 of 75
How many machines can the company that makes the machines make per hour?
post #74 of 75
Now if they had a "limited edition" transparent iPhone that would be cool (just no paint), sounds easy enough.
post #75 of 75
Just off the phone with an Apple Rep who Said that White Pre-Orders Will Begin Tuesday July 27. He can't guarantee it, but he says he read that somewhere internally lately. Told him it was very annoying not to be able to place the order now rather than have to keep checking the store every hour to try and be among the first to place an order for one.

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