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post #41 of 79
7/19/10 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications.
Nobody cares about third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.

Nobody cares about copy and paste on the iPhone.

Nobody cares about multitasking on the iPhone.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.

I know what you're trying to say here but for the purpose of accuracy I have to point out that only the bolded parts ("Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod." & "Web apps are really sweet"), were ever uttered by Jobs or anyone at Apple. Also, Apple officially doesn't agree with almost all of those statements.

In other words, Apple never said any of those things and you are just making them up.
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post #42 of 79
7/19/10 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by RKRick View Post

How are they all valid and true? I never have had to turn my head away to use any of my mice, touchpads or touchpoints on any of my computers. There are actions where a keyboard is faster but certainly not in many cases.

They were true at the time. The first time anyone encounters a mouse, they have to look at it and look at their hand a lot to get the hang of it. What these geniuses failed to realise was that it was easy to learn a mouse and people got used to it almost immediately. People at the time were used to having their hands glued to the keyboard and their eyes glued to the screen. The mouse was thought to be a distraction from that in a lot of quarters.

The mouse caught on because it opened up the computer for "regular" people and because it was a necessary adjunct of the GUI which was being pushed at the same time, not because it was more efficient or faster. A fast touch-typist on a CLI interface in the DOS days could actually run rings around the average mouse user productivity-wise, and speed-wise and most CLI enthusiasts would argue they still can today.
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post #43 of 79
7/19/10 at 2:25pm
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[poking fun + sarcasm] This is a bluetooth screen-less phone to improve phone-call capability of iPhone 4. iPhone 4 would be paired AS a bluetooth headset for this new phone! Oh wait, that cannot be enough to make iPhone 4 useful, proximity sensor will still cause trouble! [end]

And once you've laid your iPhone 4 down next to you on your desk, this will much it much easier to use. No sliding around.

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post #44 of 79
7/19/10 at 2:27pm
I would prefer to see a keyboard + trackpad device that mimics the same layout as the MacBooks. It's nice being able to use the trackpad with your thumb or index finger without moving your hands far from the keyboard. A stand alone trackpad wouldn't be the same for me.
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post #45 of 79
7/19/10 at 2:57pm
just a dream ... what about a totally new 11" MacBook air/touch concept.
I mean, no trackpad but touch screen, keyboard without palmplatform.

radical move after the ipad I would suppose, but quite nice beside the "old" air concept.
let's see...
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post #46 of 79
7/19/10 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

I just realized that my iMac's keyboard looks almost exactly like my (2008) iRiver SPINN from the side... Hmmm?

said style of keyboard came with mid-2007 iMacs.

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post #47 of 79
7/19/10 at 3:46pm
Definitely that magic slate we saw earlier. Simultaneous iMac refresh anyone? My current mouse is on the blink so I could be in the market or one.
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post #48 of 79
7/19/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by Dunks View Post

Definitely that magic slate we saw earlier. Simultaneous iMac refresh anyone? My current mouse is on the blink so I could be in the market or one.

Maybe tomorrow? New Magic Pad, iMac and Mac Pro, or do these things need a Special Event?
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post #49 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Maybe tomorrow? New Magic Pad, iMac and Mac Pro, or do these things need a Special Event?

unlikely. Tomorrow is Apple's quarterly report.
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post #50 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by ihxo View Post

unlikely. Tomorrow is Apple's quarterly report.

Oh yeah! Have they ever released a new product on a day or week theyve announced quarterlies?
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post #51 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Oh yeah! Have they ever released a new product on a day or week theyve announced quarterlies?

Now that's a very good question. But something tells me that you already know the answer.
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post #52 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:20pm
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Originally Posted by 8CoreWhore View Post

Cool.

But the haters lose their minds in 3,2,1...

Only DaHardCoreTroll and the other one that thinks their a Viking cartoon character have made it so far, but it's still early.
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post #53 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:38pm
I think Apple has decided that a multi-touch trackpad makes a better input device for computers than a mouse.

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post #54 of 79
7/19/10 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I think Apple has decided that a multi-touch trackpad makes a better input device for computers than a mouse.

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That sounds reasonable and makes me think that Apple will want a Special Event to demonstrate and promote this new peripheral.


Personally, I cant even use a mouse anymore after spending more than a decade using notebooks almost exclusively, and even have a hard time with notebooks that arent multi-touch.
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post #55 of 79
7/19/10 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I think Apple has decided that a multi-touch trackpad makes a better input device for computers than a mouse.

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Apple makes awful mouse. But doubt its the end for the apple mouse. MagicMouse was released last year.
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post #56 of 79
7/19/10 at 6:40pm
This is what so many of us have been waiting for so long, and have searched for non apple alternatives, namely an apple multitouch trackpad instead of a mouse, a very natural and logical progression that we are glad to see, albeit a bit later than expected. I remember the leaked prototypes a few months ago.

No more carpal, and wrists with calouses.
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post #57 of 79
7/19/10 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by Haggar View Post

Apple will not make a video iPod. Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod.

Apple should not allow third parties to create native iPhone applications. Nobody cares about third party iPhone applications. Web apps are really SWEET.

Nobody cares about copy and paste on the iPhone.

Nobody cares about multitasking on the iPhone.

Apple will never switch to Intel processors.

What a load of rubbish, keep getting your info from moronic blogs. FYI jobs never uttered any of this. Go see the all things d discussion a few years ago, for example he said that so far we don't think people might want to watch a video on such a small screen but we are watching the market and what people want and will act accordingly.
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post #58 of 79
7/19/10 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by Kung Fu Guy View Post

Apple makes awful mouse. But doubt its the end for the apple mouse. MagicMouse was released last year.

It's awful mice, I do hope you are on the French speaking side of Canada.
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post #59 of 79
7/19/10 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I know what you're trying to say here but for the purpose of accuracy I have to point out that only the bolded parts ("Nobody wants to watch video on an iPod." & "Web apps are really sweet"), were ever uttered by Jobs or anyone at Apple. Also, Apple officially doesn't agree with almost all of those statements.

In other words, Apple never said any of those things and you are just making them up.

I don't believe he was implying anyone at Apple ever said any of these things. This appears to be a list of the negative comments often posted in AI about anything remotely controversial that Apple might be working on.

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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

They were true at the time. The first time anyone encounters a mouse, they have to look at it and look at their hand a lot to get the hang of it. What these geniuses failed to realise was that it was easy to learn a mouse and people got used to it almost immediately. People at the time were used to having their hands glued to the keyboard and their eyes glued to the screen. The mouse was thought to be a distraction from that in a lot of quarters.

You are missing his point. He was rebutting the argument that you needed to look at a mouse in order to use it, which was itself a response to someone else saying a small touchscreen would need you to look at it in order to use it. Both he and the OP are correct. A touchscreen would need you to look at it, otherwise there's no point in making it a display, and a mouse/trackpad/trackball can be used by touch, so you don't have to look at it.

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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I think Apple has decided that a multi-touch trackpad makes a better input device for computers than a mouse.

Sure took them long enough. Fingerworks figured this out about ten years ago and how many years has Apple owned Fingerworks' patents? Should have done this three to four years ago.


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It's awful mice, I do hope you are on the French speaking side of Canada.

He's Kung Fu Guy. I'm guessing he's in Toronto's Chinatown.
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post #60 of 79
7/19/10 at 10:03pm
As a side note - does anyone remember a while back there was a news story about an Apple commercial being shot on location at a diner. The shoot was "top-secret" of course, closed set and all. Forgive me if the answer is obvious (I've been in and out of the country), but has that product - or commercial described above - ever come out or aired yet?
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post #61 of 79
7/20/10 at 12:43am
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As a side note - does anyone remember a while back there was a news story about an Apple commercial being shot on location at a diner. The shoot was "top-secret" of course, closed set and all. Forgive me if the answer is obvious (I've been in and out of the country), but has that product - or commercial described above - ever come out or aired yet?

Could very likely have been a FaceTime commercial.
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post #62 of 79
7/20/10 at 3:01am
Ever tried using a browser on your TV with AppleTV or Boxee on ATV Flash? It is very difficult and you soon give up. This is an accessory to accompany the new AppleTv probably selling for £19 which will bring gestures to your AppleTV running iOS4. Stuff which was difficult before become easy with a touchpad. Browsing the web, reading and replying to emails from your sofa will be childsplay.
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post #63 of 79
7/20/10 at 4:44am
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

i think StarNYC has it right.
who's going to use a trackpad on their MacPro that isn't alreay using a Wacom?
I think this is an input device for an iOS to be used without a touchscreen [like your TV]. i'm thinking some form of pointer onscreen shows your fingers location on the trackpad, and additional finger pressure allows for iPad/iPhone style flip-scrolling and clicking.

i think you guys are missing a huge aspect of why apple makes products. I think it will do everything. Look at the new remote they introduced two years ago. It works for the iPod/phone IR dock, the aTV and the Macbooks and the iMac. I think the new device will work for every product apple makes. It will probably be like a Magic Mouse replacement. My only hope is that they start introducing some of the multi-touch gestures from the Macbook trackpad into the iPad/iPhone screens, like 3-finger swipe forward/back.
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post #64 of 79
7/20/10 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by polymnia View Post

I hope Apple has decided to complement the new media-friendly Mac Mini with a livingroom-friendly keyboard. I have been using a Logitech bluetooth keyboard with a crappy track-disc int he lower right corner. It's better than a keyboard & separate mouse (or so I thought until I got a Magic Mouse).

I used to use a Mighty Mouse & Apple Bluetooth Keyboard with me Mini and I got sick of using two devices...The mouse is just not in its element on a couch.

Apple has validated the living room, media center use of the Mac Mini with its recent redesign. Its only logical that Apple makes a living room savvy input device.

yes, it's their blue-tooth keyboard...probably way smaller than what you use.
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post #65 of 79
7/20/10 at 4:56am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I really doubt this. Their flagship product at this point is the iPad, and the iPad is both pretty bad for artists but also even closer in form factor to a Wacom pad.

If Apple wanted to close that divide, and make a product that allowed folks to draw like a Wacom tablet, they could easily have added the functionality to the iPad and would probably add the functionality into their iOS product line before they would try the desktop.

Apple has historically shown no interest whatsoever in making products for people who need to draw on the screen with the (slight/sorta), exception of the Newton all those years ago. Despite all the artists that use Macs it's a complete non-priority for them it seems.

that's what makes me so peeved about the iPad. I'm an architect, and we sketch a lot and take notes a lot in meetings. The ability to physically write on the iPad with a stylus like the Wacom tablet would make that device so much more useful to me! What about doctors that take notes during exams and receptionists or any business person in general that needs a note pad for jotting notes. Heck, there is a notes app native in the device already!!! It's on my top 5 list of why i'm not buying the iPad, yet ;P

Sorry for the trolling.
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post #66 of 79
7/20/10 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by starnyc View Post

the new Apple TV Remote control, with Apple TV running iOS4? This would be very scary to MSFT.

possible, but i fail to see how this would scare microsoft. they have a huge installed base with the xbox 360 and the only other product they make that connects to the TV is windows media center, a part of windows that almost nobody uses anymore.
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post #67 of 79
7/20/10 at 5:07am
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that's what makes me so peeved about the iPad. I'm an architect, and we sketch a lot and take notes a lot in meetings. The ability to physically write on the iPad with a stylus like the Wacom tablet would make that device so much more useful to me! What about doctors that take notes during exams and receptionists or any business person in general that needs a note pad for jotting notes. Heck, there is a notes app native in the device already!!! It's on my top 5 list of why i'm not buying the iPad, yet ;P

Sorry for the trolling.

you are trolling. there are special stylus pens made just for the iphone that wold work perfectly on the ipad.
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post #68 of 79
7/20/10 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Agreed (for the most part). I'd much rather use the glass trackpad on my MBP than the Magic Mouse on my iMac.

I agree; however, I hope this gadget is rechargeable. I get less than five days use from batteries in my Magic Mouse.
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post #69 of 79
7/20/10 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by sequitur View Post

I agree; however, I hope this gadget is rechargeable. I get less than five days use from batteries in my Magic Mouse.

you're lucky yours works. mine lost its guestures after an update... so I quit using it.

however the BT keyboard seems to work fine, the batteries lasted for almost 6 months.
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post #70 of 79
7/20/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by ihxo View Post

unlikely. Tomorrow is Apple's quarterly report.

if they release it, it will be quiet. Sounds more likely that this is an accessory that will be part of a larger release.
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post #71 of 79
7/20/10 at 9:28am
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It's awful mice, I do hope you are on the French speaking side of Canada.

Or, "... an awful mouse," if you are referring to the strain or species.
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post #72 of 79
7/20/10 at 12:25pm
How about a Bluetooth 10 Key number pad to go with the Apple Wireless Keyboard? That would make sense and is overdue.
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post #73 of 79
7/20/10 at 12:29pm
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How about a Bluetooth 10 Key number pad to go with the Apple Wireless Keyboard? That would make sense and is overdue.

Interesting idea, but wouldnt this be better served by simply creating a keyboard with the number pad attached? It seems to me that this would be a less than stellar option that would interest very few people (which is why they didnt add it to the original keyboard). Plus, it seems too big to be a typical number pad addition.
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post #74 of 79
7/20/10 at 1:24pm
The more I think about this the more the Apple TV rumor makes sense. Controlling such an interface with a remote always seemed like a contrivance and very un-Apple. Plus, there haven't been any rumors about a stand-alone product that's like this device, and I just don't think the market for trackpads is big enough for Apple to enter at this point, especially since Wacom sort of controls that space.

But as an accessory to a revamped Apple TV, this makes a ton of sense. Though I'll be sad in a way if that's the case, since I'll no longer be able to use my Logitech Harmony to control *everything* connected to my TV.

But one question -- why a trackpad and not a Wiimote-like wand for navigation?
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post #75 of 79
7/20/10 at 5:10pm
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that's what makes me so peeved about the iPad. I'm an architect, and we sketch a lot and take notes a lot in meetings. The ability to physically write on the iPad with a stylus like the Wacom tablet would make that device so much more useful to me! What about doctors that take notes during exams and receptionists or any business person in general that needs a note pad for jotting notes. Heck, there is a notes app native in the device already!!! It's on my top 5 list of why i'm not buying the iPad, yet ;P

What you're asking for is already available. You can buy a stylus for the iPhone/iPad for just a few dollars (or splurge for the Pogo stylus, although I can't imagine why). Alternatively, just use your finger, which works just fine and is a lot handier. There are plenty of apps many free that allow you to sketch or make notes on the iPad. iDraft is one freebie that will let you draw in various colors. myNotes can do a couple of extra things like automatically converting your scribbles into neat lines, rectangles and ovals. There's also Adobe Ideas and a lot more that I haven't sought out.

As for doctors and exams, there are already apps that let them enter data into standardized forms with simple button presses. Much easier and faster than trying to scribble down something illegible.
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post #76 of 79
7/21/10 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

Much more likely a Trackpad with all the bells and whistles of a MB/MBP trackpad that could bring older notebooks up to date as well as being an option to the mouse for iMacs and Mac Pros. I would look for it to be about $69 and designed to fit nicely with and iMac and allow the gesture capabilities that the desktops don't have.

How come noone mentions the Mac Mini?
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post #77 of 79
7/22/10 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

What you're asking for is already available. You can buy a stylus for the iPhone/iPad for just a few dollars (or splurge for the Pogo stylus, although I can't imagine why). Alternatively, just use your finger, which works just fine and is a lot handier. There are plenty of apps – many free – that allow you to sketch or make notes on the iPad. iDraft is one freebie that will let you draw in various colors. myNotes can do a couple of extra things like automatically converting your scribbles into neat lines, rectangles and ovals. There's also Adobe Ideas and a lot more that I haven't sought out.

As for doctors and exams, there are already apps that let them enter data into standardized forms with simple button presses. Much easier and faster than trying to scribble down something illegible.

you obviously don't get the daily activities of my profession or many others. We draw with fine, medium and thick felt-tip pens...in meetings, at our desk to discuss ideas with others and to clients. We sketch a lot, create a lot of paper in the recycling bins every day. it's what we do, and the iPad or phone doesn't really cut it for that, but it should. Drawing with your finger is like trying to draw schematic for the space shuttle in sand, plus you finger covers up what you're drawing.

the other argument you're not getting is about integration. I don't want to have to go to 3 different apps just to take notes in a meeting. I want all of them in one app, and one that can be saved out as PDF's and emailed. the "Notes" app should include all this. Typing will never replace the speed of handwriting and the simplicity of a note pad, but why couldn't the ipad do this. Architects, Structural-Civil-Electriacal-Mechanical-Plumbing Engineers, Graphic Designers, Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Managers, even Receptionists could use this to transcribe meeting minutes. Just think about all the paper they all go through that could be solved if the iPad worked like I describe.
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post #78 of 79
7/23/10 at 12:58pm
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you obviously don't get the daily activities of my profession or many others. We draw with fine, medium and thick felt-tip pens...in meetings, at our desk to discuss ideas with others and to clients. We sketch a lot, create a lot of paper in the recycling bins every day. it's what we do, and the iPad or phone doesn't really cut it for that, but it should. Drawing with your finger is like trying to draw schematic for the space shuttle in sand, plus you finger covers up what you're drawing.

the other argument you're not getting is about integration. I don't want to have to go to 3 different apps just to take notes in a meeting. I want all of them in one app, and one that can be saved out as PDF's and emailed. the "Notes" app should include all this. Typing will never replace the speed of handwriting and the simplicity of a note pad, but why couldn't the ipad do this. Architects, Structural-Civil-Electriacal-Mechanical-Plumbing Engineers, Graphic Designers, Doctors, Lawyers, Construction Managers, even Receptionists could use this to transcribe meeting minutes. Just think about all the paper they all go through that could be solved if the iPad worked like I describe.

I completely get the drawing/painting argument against using your finger to do so... but "writing is faster than typing"? I type way faster than I can possibly write, even on the iPad's virtual keyboard. And more accurately than a handwriting recognizer would do. Even one-handed while cradling the iPad on one arm I can one-hand type at a competitive speed to how I write on paper (which is faster than on a screen w/ stylus). I've used handwriting recognizing devices before and am very happy that Apple chose the virtual keyboard and direct finger manipulation of the screen instead of a stylus (but I don't need to draw beyond the level of general sketching/painting that does work well on the iPad). Best of all, there is no stylus to misplace.
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post #79 of 79
7/28/10 at 4:10am
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that's what makes me so peeved about the iPad. I'm an architect, and we sketch a lot and take notes a lot in meetings. The ability to physically write on the iPad with a stylus like the Wacom tablet would make that device so much more useful to me! What about doctors that take notes during exams and receptionists or any business person in general that needs a note pad for jotting notes. Heck, there is a notes app native in the device already!!! It's on my top 5 list of why i'm not buying the iPad, yet ;P

Sorry for the trolling.

The Pogo and many apps come somewhat close, but for your needs, hopefully there will be other tablets. Apple has a product, it's time for the other manufacturers to truly blow open the gates and our minds.
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