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A new rumor that Apple may charge users to upgrade the iPad to iOS 4 this fall is specifically contradicted by Apple's own licensing agreement, which states that the next major software update will be free to iPad owners.

Citing "top secret plans" from an anonymous source, Stuff.tv wrote on Tuesday that Apple currently plans to charge iPad owners for the software upgrade. The source did not provide a price, but the U.K.-based magazine suggested it would be around £5.

The source reportedly told the magazine that the plans to charge are "definite." It reached out to Apple for a comment, and the Cupertino, Calif., company responded that it doesn't comment on rumors or speculation.

However, as AppleInsider noted back in March, the company's iPad licensing agreements specifically state that the "next major iPad OS software release" will be free for hardware owners, casting some doubt on the rumor. Releases beyond that, however, may come with a charge.

"For example, if your iPad originally shipped with iPad 3.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPad OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPad 4.x software release," the licensing agreement reads. "Such updates and releases may not necessarily include all of the new software features that Apple releases for newer iPad models."

In addition, Apple's recently launched iAds mobile advertising platform requires iOS 4 to appear in App Store software. By charging iPad owners to upgrade to the latest mobile operating system version, Apple could limit the number of users who can view its new interactive ads.

But it would not be unprecedented for Apple to charge for an upgrade, as previous software releases came with a fee for iPod touch users, due to an accounting issue. However, casting even more doubt on the latest rumor is the fact that Apple recently did away with that fee, as the iOS 4 upgrade is free for iPod touch owners.

In June, a profile of Apple's iAds service suggested that iOS 4 would launch for the iPad in November. Some features of the operating system upgrade, including Bluetooth keyboard support, are already supported in the iPad-exclusive iOS 3.2 mobile operating system.
post #2 of 41
I remember hearing this rumor before the iPad was even released. Apple would charge for os updates, allowing one freebie. We'll soon see.
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post #3 of 41
If free for iPod touch owners, I doubt that they will charge iPad owners for the upgrade. There may be features that can't be used, like facetime, without adding some extra equipment(which I think is a possibility that Apple or some third party might come up with) but I think Apple will want as many people as possible on the new OS.

It would seem this is another one of those rumors brought up strictly to hurt Apple's share price, from my perspective. Especially since it comes out right before earnings.

Just my opinion though. Good luck out there today
post #4 of 41
Will OS4 allow you to print from an Ipad?

That's what I want to know.
post #5 of 41
Wasn’t IOS 4.0 for the Touch free long after previous upgrades (like 3.0) were paid? I thought that was one of the things that benefited from the new accounting rules was that Apple no longer had to account things on monthly payment regarding upgrades or whatever.
post #6 of 41
Seems like the first update not being charged would be the nice thing to do. With handheld devices, the industry habit seems to be to not even offer major updates for older devices, at any price short of just buying an all-new unit.
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Originally Posted by Katonah View Post

Will OS4 allow you to print from an Ipad?

That's what I want to know.

I don't think anything has been said about that. Something like that could explain the delay, right now, there isn't a good reason to explain why iOS 4 not available for iPad until now.
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Why would Apple do that? It would make zero sense to punish your early adopters. Remember the flack they took with the original iPhone after they lowered the price two months after the release? Apple has blundered the iPhone 4 release in how they've handled it, but they don't make many mistakes otherwise. And this would be a huge mistake.
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Why would Apple do that? It would make zero sense to punish your early adopters. Remember the flack they took with the original iPhone after they lowered the price two months after the release? Apple has blundered the iPhone 4 release in how they've handled it, but they don't make many mistakes otherwise. And this would be a huge mistake.

They won't, and stated clearly from the off that the iOS4 update would be free for iPad users.
post #11 of 41
who cares. iOS 3.2 is fine. what will iOS 4 bring that makes the iPad better?
post #12 of 41
Look, as long as Apple keeps making awesome products I'll tolerate a fee for an update. Cause god knows there ain't nothing on the market that can touch the ipad or iphone 4.
post #13 of 41
More bullshit rumours? What a surprise.
post #14 of 41
Product announcements and various fees etc are not always what "Apple" wants - there is always a compromise between many competing factors in any business decision.

I do wonder though about the so called "accounting issue" related to the iPod Touch upgrade - it was obviously not an insurmountable issue - though I wonder if the entire issues was the accounting department pointing out some balance sheet that didn't have numbers they wanted to see and charging for an upgrade was the easiest way to change the balance in the affected accounts.
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I don't think anything has been said about that. Something like that could explain the delay, right now, there isn't a good reason to explain why iOS 4 not available for iPad until now.

What kind of Moderator are you?

Are you a iPhone/iPad developer?

Do you work for Apple in any capacity?

Just what credentials do you have that would give you the prerogative to declare so definitely that there isn't a good reason to explain why iOS 4 not available for the iPad until now?

Right now in my limited capacity developing iPad apps, I fell that you are way off base, particularly one who is supposed to be moderating this site. Or maybe I overrate your true capacity with regards to your functionality here. Then I apologize for my assumptions.

In any event, Apple did say months ago that the iOS4 for the iPad would be released this fall. In my language, until the end of November there isn't any delay to explain.

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post #16 of 41
As far as I remember Apple needed to charge for updates due to accounting rules back then in the ipod touch update case. It was like you can't sell a product and promise to "deliver" later (in this case deliver improvements later). This was a consequence of the Sarbana Oxley regulation stuff after the Enron collapse.

Couple of months ago Apple got approval to change their accounting practice and thus this artificial charging is none of an issue anymore.
post #17 of 41
It is highly unlikely Apple will charge for any iOS 4.x ...Also because they have no accounting reason to do so; the accounting rules (GAAP something or other) were recently changed (hence eg. no charge for iOS4 for iPod touch users).

Lovin' my iPad WiFi+3G 32GB, I must say. Good to talk about iPad. Let's ignore the other flame burning a hole in the forums

iOS 3.2.1 for iPad seems alright, iOS 4 is going to ROCK. Smoother, faster, better on the iPad. I feel it. Even with 256MB RAM. When using the iPad, who cares about specs? Sure, some parts could be even more smooth, iOS 4 alone should do that.

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post #18 of 41
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Originally Posted by rdjlexky View Post

Why would Apple do that? It would make zero sense to punish your early adopters.

Early adopters has zero to do with it. It's the issue that they dropped the accounting rules that were tied to paid updates for the ipod touch AND said that at least the first major update would be free for the ipad. To go back on that would be a major PR gaff and they simply don't need that right now when there's still a very vocal group calling for a full iphone 4 recall of ALL units (not just US sold ones) in light of the 'design flaw' etc/

Personally I think that Stuff.tv is just jumping on the "If we mention Apple people will come to our site and other sites will talk about us and drive people to our site and we can make money off the hits" game and the whole 'story' and 'source' are totally bogus.
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Originally Posted by s4mb4 View Post

who cares. iOS 3.2 is fine. what will iOS 4 bring that makes the iPad better?

Folders, Multitasking, Open files in third party Apps, "video mirroring" and a whole slew of other tweaks like the new the new mail and photo features. iOS4 will be great for the ipad.
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post #20 of 41
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I don't think anything has been said about that. Something like that could explain the delay, right now, there isn't a good reason to explain why iOS 4 not available for iPad until now.

I suspect that the reasons have less to do with the ipad itself and more to do with debugging and worries about server overload if they let all those ipad folks upgrade at the same time as the millions of 3gs out there.

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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

Product announcements and various fees etc are not always what "Apple" wants - there is always a compromise between many competing factors in any business decision.

I do wonder though about the so called "accounting issue" related to the iPod Touch upgrade - it was obviously not an insurmountable issue - though I wonder if the entire issues was the accounting department pointing out some balance sheet that didn't have numbers they wanted to see and charging for an upgrade was the easiest way to change the balance in the affected accounts.

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What kind of Moderator are you?

Dude, you need to step off and close the mouth. Seriously. You've been on this board for less than a month. And clearly you don't understand the concept of stating an opinion. Or perhaps you need people to say 'in my opinion' every time.

Jeff is a long standing member of this board and whether he is a developer etc has nothing to do with whether he has a right to state an opinion.

Your demands for validation of his right could be tossed back at you. Are you a developer( just how 'limited' are you), do you work for Apple, and what credentials do you have that give you the prerogative to come in here and straight off demand justification from someone else. And what gives you the balls to do it to a moderator.

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Or maybe I overrate your true capacity with regards to your functionality here.

That at least you have right

Oh and and if that last line is supposed to be some kind of copyright tag, drop it. Pretentious extreme. Trust me, no one is going to steal your comments and claim them as their own. They aren't clever enough.
post #21 of 41
I thought the only web sites that made stuff up in order to get page views ended in "*modo."
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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

Early adopters has zero to do with it. It's the issue that they dropped the accounting rules that were tied to paid updates for the ipod touch AND said that at least the first major update would be free for the ipad. To go back on that would be a major PR gaff and they simply don't need that right now when there's still a very vocal group calling for a full iphone 4 recall of ALL units (not just US sold ones) in light of the 'design flaw' etc/

That's essentially what I said. Of course they're going to make the first major update free...otherwise you're basically punishing people for being early adopters.

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Personally I think that Stuff.tv is just jumping on the "If we mention Apple people will come to our site and other sites will talk about us and drive people to our site and we can make money off the hits" game and the whole 'story' and 'source' are totally bogus.

This I agree with.
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Originally Posted by WestCoast View Post

Are you a iPhone/iPad developer?

Do you work for Apple in any capacity?

Just what credentials do you have that would give you the prerogative to declare so definitely that there isn't a good reason to explain why iOS 4 not available for the iPad until now?

Wait, what? I'm just saying that I don't understand why there is such a long delay. They certainly haven't given one. And the difference in the back end hardware appears to be very minor. It's mostly the front end, a larger screen.

Please do tell why the iOS4 update for iPad justifies an extra 6 months. Does it take that long to make adjustments to fit the larger screen?
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Wait, what? I'm just saying that I don't understand why there is such a long delay. They certainly haven't given one. And the difference in the back end hardware appears to be very minor. It's mostly the front end, a larger screen.

Please do tell why the iOS4 update for iPad justifies an extra 6 months. Does it take that long to make adjustments to fit the larger screen?

Have you ever worked on major project development? I've worked with Apple on a number of OS projects.

Basically, you draw a line in the sand and say "no new features at this point" and then focus on finishing the product, working out bugs, etc. You may continue to work on the next version, but you don't let the next version interfere with the current version.

The iPad timing was unfortunate. They were already well on the way to iPhone OS 4.0 for the phone, but it wasn't far enough along to use it for the iPad (at least, not without delaying the iPad by several months, at least). So they drew a line in the sand (probably around last November, I would estimate) and chose 3.x for the iPad. The next months were spent debugging 3.x and getting it right. At some point, they could start 4.0 for the iPad (certainly before April), but it takes time to complete the project, especially with QC and testing. Given that most of the iPad people were working on getting the product out the door and fixing any early bugs, there probably just wasn't that much time to spend on 4.0 before April or May.

So, 6 months to complete the revisions, test it, get it out to developers for testing, fix any bugs the developers find, and release isn't all that long. Software development on something this complex sounds trivial, but it's not. Even minor changes take a good bit of time when you have to get developer testing feedback.
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post #25 of 41
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

Product announcements and various fees etc are not always what "Apple" wants - there is always a compromise between many competing factors in any business decision.

I do wonder though about the so called "accounting issue" related to the iPod Touch upgrade - it was obviously not an insurmountable issue - though I wonder if the entire issues was the accounting department pointing out some balance sheet that didn't have numbers they wanted to see and charging for an upgrade was the easiest way to change the balance in the affected accounts.

Apple had previously charged a nominal fee for certain updates because of an accounting rule that required companies to report revenue over time if the company continued to confer new features after the original sale.
post #26 of 41
Why is this even a story?

Apple made it perfectly clear that 4 would be free for iPad owners BEFORE the unit even shipped. Did anyone really think that they would back out of that after spelling it out in the release documentation?

Come on, you don't have to print every silly rumor that comes along.
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I doubt that they will charge iPad owners for the upgrade.

There's no doubt they will not charge you.
From -> iPad Software License
"Apple will provide you any iPad OS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPad OS software release following the version of iPad OS software that originally shipped from Apple on your iPad, for free. For example, if your iPad originally shipped with iPad 3.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPad OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPad 4.x software release. Such updates and releases may not necessarily include all of the new software features that Apple releases for newer iPad models."
post #28 of 41
If I pay can I get it before friggin' November?

And like one of the commenters above, I don't understand the long delay time either. (And yes, I am a developer.)

Why is iOS 4 taking so long to release? This is especially curious since it's already available on the Touch.

The download comment does make sense either..if the severs can handle eight million iPhones they can handle a few million ipads..
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Wait, what? I'm just saying that I don't understand why there is such a long delay. They certainly haven't given one. And the difference in the back end hardware appears to be very minor. It's mostly the front end, a larger screen.

Please do tell why the iOS4 update for iPad justifies an extra 6 months. Does it take that long to make adjustments to fit the larger screen?


Amazing that one could not see that besides Apple that has to get it ready and right, it is equally important that developers are involved as well.

Just the fact that there were fifteen hundred new APIs added to the new OS is a reasonable answer to justify the additional time. I would think that it would be prudent of Apple to allow the primary (tens of thousands of) users, not just the handful of selected developers who had the privilege to get early access to the new SDK, an equal opportunity and sufficient lead time to discover, try, vet, debug, comment, etc., on all the new features

I can accept, though reluctantly, for an first timer to suggest that the "…the difference in the back end hardware appears to be very minor. It's mostly the front end, a larger screen."

But not from anybody else.

In addition, having followed AI from the beginning and hearing all the crap how bad the iPhone apps are, to imply that the solution by making a font/graphic enhancement to improve the visual effects, would console the ignorant critics wallowing here is equally ludicrous.

I don't think that there is a developer amongst us who doesn't want to create a Pages or Numbers like Apple has done for the iPad. Most of us realize that we don't have all the resources to do so. But dammit, we can dream. In the meantime, the majority of us are in the same race and am pleased that Apple sets the same rules for us as they do for themselves.

And for those that want a little more on what is involved: http://developer.apple.com/videos/iphone/profiles/

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post #30 of 41
It is overly clear that apple has ZERO intention to charge for updates on iPhones, iPod touches, and iPads. Apple couldn't be more clear! So, why waste time with this rumor? Why waste time on most of the rumors?

Guys, give up on all these rumors.
post #31 of 41
There has definitely been a concerted effort to smear Apple's reputation.
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Originally Posted by s4mb4 View Post

who cares. iOS 3.2 is fine. what will iOS 4 bring that makes the iPad better?

Print?
Local file system?
iDisk type sync to MobileMe?
integrated iDisk access with extensions that launch apps?
multi-tasking?


I'll put some thought into it.
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Originally Posted by s4mb4 View Post

who cares. iOS 3.2 is fine. what will iOS 4 bring that makes the iPad better?

multitasking?
folders?
common inbox?

I don't need any of that. I'm happy with 3.2
post #34 of 41
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Wait, what? I'm just saying that I don't understand why there is such a long delay. They certainly haven't given one. And the difference in the back end hardware appears to be very minor. It's mostly the front end, a larger screen.

Please do tell why the iOS4 update for iPad justifies an extra 6 months. Does it take that long to make adjustments to fit the larger screen?

As an iOS Developer, it does not surprise me at all that there has been a delay. Why the delay, I can only speculate, but if I were to guess? I would have to believe they are hard at work on additional functionality that others have suggested in other threads. While my focus is still primarily on the phone, IMHO Apple has oversimplified the transition from iPhone to iPad, at least from a developers standpoint. There is more to it than that.

Having said that, I have just painted a huge bullseye on my chest.
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post #35 of 41
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Just the fact that there were fifteen hundred new APIs added to the new OS is a reasonable answer to justify the additional time. I would think that it would be prudent of Apple to allow the primary (tens of thousands of) users, not just the handful of selected developers who had the privilege to get early access to the new SDK, an equal opportunity and sufficient lead time to discover, try, vet, debug, comment, etc., on all the new features

I really don't understand what I said that offended you so. I think you have an unrealistically high expectation of people, and frankly, you seem to be a pretty angry person.

My thinking was that the underlying code for those APIs already had considerable testing and outside developer use, just not on the iPad. Not that any further changes don't need to be tested, it just seems like most of the work is already done.
post #36 of 41
Leaving the update until fall, makes it more difficult for hardware/software companies to copy the new features if they are planning a fall or winter release.
post #37 of 41
Back to the original premise of the thread....

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FUD to the right,
debug, rewrite,
Fight! Fight! Fight!"
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As an iOS Developer, it does not surprise me at all that there has been a delay. Why the delay, I can only speculate, but if I were to guess? I would have to believe they are hard at work on additional functionality that others have suggested in other threads. While my focus is still primarily on the phone, IMHO Apple has oversimplified the transition from iPhone to iPad, at least from a developers standpoint. There is more to it than that.

Having said that, I have just painted a huge bullseye on my chest.

Actually that is a great point. People are thinking iOS4 on iPad is just to bring it to parity with iPhone. But it could be a leapfrog kind of thing with each iOS release for iPhone and iPad. That is, iPad could get like a 4.2 while iPhone is at 4.1... Going into the end of the year I foresee iOS 4.2 for iPad in September and before or after, iOS 4.1 for iPhone. In the middle of 2011, we'll have to see which iDevice gets updated first to iOS 5.
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I thought the only web sites that made stuff up in order to get page views ended in "*modo."

I'm looking forward to the day when "No modo" becomes slang for "Buh Bye!"
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multitasking?
folders?
common inbox?

I don't need any of that. I'm happy with 3.2

I need all those, especially folders. I can't imagine going back to before folders on my iPod Touch. How archaic.
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