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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

And now the Apple apologists come out of the woodwork. Time to put down the Kool Aid and face facts.

The external antenna with the gap right near the users palm is a failure. It is probably the greatest example of form over function in history. The Apple engineers begged Steve Mobs not to embrace it and Mr. Egomaniac did it anyway. And now Apple has to pony up and buy the whole world free cases. What does that tell you?

I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the pyramids of egypt may, in fact, be the biggest examples of form (damn huge, gorgeous monument) over function (place to stick dead people) in history

(I completely agree with you, that was just the first thought that came to mind reading your comment )
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post #162 of 221
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

Why should they reengineer the antenna system?? 99.45% of users are OK with the antenna as it is. So apple is not likely to go through such useless efforts and generate probably antennas with less overall reception quality.

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Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post

Exactly! I sent my 3GS to Colorware, and the results are absolutely gorgeous! For the iPhone4, it should have the added benefit of fixing the antenna problem that doesn't exist.


But the face of the phone would still be black

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post #164 of 221
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

It ran into issues. A week before launch. And they had no idea at all that it might be an issue, just one week earlier. You must really think they are incompetent. One week before launch and they just realized they have a problem with the hundreds of thousands or millions of units they have already produced.

What's the angle for not disclosing it a week ago? Already explained. It would be a major buzz kill to the image Jobs carefully crafted for consumption last week. Admitting to a major, weeks or months long delay due to manufacturing problems would seriously run counter to their sales pitch that there isn't any manufacturing/design problems with the iPhone.

The suggestion that they were taken unaware and had no idea just 7 days ago and two weeks before launch, is even more stupid than the suggestion that they were stunned and surprised that their bars algorithm over stated the signal strength (you know, the algorithm they released 2 years ago who's only change was to purposely overstate the signal strength). Who would reasonably buy either of those assertions? Only someone who believes Apple has no idea what they are doing and merely guessing at what they produce.

And just when I was starting to think maybe you were a rational being. Oh well.
post #165 of 221
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Originally Posted by seek3r View Post

I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the pyramids of egypt may, in fact, be the biggest examples of form (damn huge, gorgeous monument) over function (place to stick dead people) in history

WTF!? Are you denying the existence of pyramid power?!

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post #166 of 221
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Originally Posted by bkerkay View Post

Why are we talking about the antenna, when this is a discussion about the white iPhone?

Because the douchebags won't let it go.
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post


WOW!! The most sophisticated post I have seen for a long time. You are bringing this whole discussion to higher philosophy. I hope to read more of your posts here. very insightful.

They were not my words. I was just reinforcing the statement of a previous poster.

I am not an architect but I read about and observed the traditional (organic) architecture and design of a number countries, and you will find that the form indeed is part integral of function.

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post #168 of 221
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Originally Posted by Rabbit_Coach View Post

Why should they reengineer the antenna system?? 99.45% of users are OK with the antenna as it is. So apple is not likely to go through such useless efforts and generate probably antennas with less overall reception quality.

Lets break it down: Hes suggesting that they arent shipping white iPhone 4s because they are reengineering the iPhone, but he ignores the fact they are still shipping hundred-of-thousands black iPhone 4s per week, with 75(?) more countries coming onboard before the (current) free Bumper give away is over on September 30th, and likely before the White iPhone 4 will be ready to ship.

In other words: If they were holding the iPhone 4 back because they are reengineering it then why are the still the black ones. The colour of the glass isnt going affect the attenuation issue.
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post #169 of 221
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

You really think it took until the end of July for them to realize they had an issue? Really?

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The Antennagate thing just showed up 22 days before the Press Release by Steve. He said so more than once.

So yes, they probably just found out about the white paint a day or two ago.
post #170 of 221
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

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And now by your post, and the one I responded to, I take it no one is allowed to even mention the antenna issue. "Just get a case" or "I don't make phone calls cause I have no friends" is the answer to everything.

Gawd, I can't stand you freaking fanbois....

How is this for a possible alternative? Inform us that you own or owned an iPhone4 and the antenna issue was a matter of actual concern to you. One thing I can't stand are all the individuals with strident opinions but no actual interest. You know, people who never have and never intend to purchase an Apple product but have an irrepressible need to pontificate.

Jehovah Witnesses come to my door from time to time promoting their faith and frankly I am not interested in their spiel. I think they are the fanatics. Similarly I find diatribes from people about devices they don't seem to have ever owned or used to be less than useless. That is why I find the "plonk" capability of this forum software so useful.
post #171 of 221
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

This is actually a typical Apple kind of problem/story. The entire production of a best-selling phone is delayed for months because the white paint isn't the *exact* perfect shade of white.


If it was HTC they would use whatever the cheapest white pain was and not care about the exact shade.


But when Apple gets it right, it usually changes entire industries. I bet that the color coating biz will never be the same after Apple gets through with it. The iPhone 4 paint process will be the most innovative thing ever!

And as far as HTC goes, I don't think that they really care about having a nice looking phone.
post #172 of 221
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lastly, the super indestructable glass on my wifes iPhone cracked in the upper right corner, and she says she's never dropped the thing [there are no scratches or dents or tiny nicks on it, as would be evidence from a drop]. we'll exchange it under warranty of course, but it will be the first iPhone/iPod we've ever returned.



No way Apple will replace that under Warranty. Physical abuse is not covered.

It will cost you $200 for the new piece of glass, but it will be better than the cheap ones on eBay where you don't know if it will really hold up like the authentic Apple OEM glass. And unless you pay the $200 to Apple, you will loose your Warrenty completely.

Don't worry, it is worth it still because the iP4 uses special Gorilla Glass.

Your best bet is to get a case for her because that improves reception too.
post #173 of 221
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Originally Posted by HammerofTruth View Post

So what's this new issue with Apple called, Whiteygate?

The white phone is late. It happens. It's not a big deal. You freaking wait if you want one. If you can't, buy the black one paint it, cover it, skin it do whatever makes you feel all warm and cozy that your phone is the perfect color and move on with your life.

How about discussing real news like if Verizon is selling so many Droid phones, why are they loosing money? Why did they loose 11k workers?

OK buddy, pull over! That is two incorrect instances of using "loose" rather than the correct "lose" in one brief post: "losing money" and "lose 11k workers". I'll let you off with a warning this time but lose the loose unless it is appropriate.
post #174 of 221
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Originally Posted by gristan View Post

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THAT'S " FUNNY ", IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dear gristan-san,

That was an example of American sarcasm. Not a troll.

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post #175 of 221
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Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

That could just as easily be the result of dividing all AC reported Antenna/Reception reports by ALL iPhones sold to date. Or could be the percentage of all AC reports for ALL products. Not sure if the original source data is explicit enough to be sure about it.

either way we would need some way to extrapolate reported problems to all problems which have not yet been discovered or reported or considered serious enough to report or have read so much on the web figured a fix must be in the works and are willing to wait.

Someone said - there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statics. Which means that without full disclosure of the context statistics can appear to be significant which are in fact meaningless.

Following your logic, 100% could as well stand for stars in the milky-way?
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Similar to the friend you love to hate, and miss when they're gone?

Nah.

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post #177 of 221
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Originally Posted by sdbryan View Post

OK buddy, pull over! That is two incorrect instances of using "loose" rather than the correct "lose" in one brief post: "losing money" and "lose 11k workers". I'll let you off with a warning this time but lose the loose unless it is appropriate.

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post #178 of 221
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Originally Posted by gristan View Post

" Apple MUST HAVE SHIPPED ANOTHER VERSION OF " ANTENNAGATE FREE " i-Phone 4 TO FOUR COUNTRIES ( FRANCE, JAPAN, GB, GERMANY )" OTHER THAN U.S.????????????????????THAT'S " FUNNY ", IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Uh, gristan I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I do believe you have the same model iPhone 4 in Japan as we have here in the US. I think the issue may have to do with the fact that the four countries you mentioned all have better 3G networks in place than we have here in the US with AT&T.

iPhones outside the US are probably just less susceptible to the perceived problem because there aren't that many areas of poor reception in those countries. You don't see a reception drop with a "death grip" because there is no drop, because your 3G networks are awesome!

I personally have had no reception/antenna problems at all with my iPhone 4 and contend, as I have from the beginning, that the "problem" was blown completely out of proportion (and still is by a couple of Apple-bashing idiots on this board) by overzealous people who, for whatever reasons, don't like Apple's success.

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post #179 of 221
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

But the face of the phone would still be black

True enough. You can't have everything. Where would you keep it?
post #180 of 221
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Originally Posted by Blackintosh View Post

Time to put down the Kool Aid and face facts.

Time to put down this clichéd metaphor once and for all and come up with something original.
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post #181 of 221
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

No way Apple will replace that under Warranty. Physical abuse is not covered.

It will cost you $200 for the new piece of glass, but it will be better than the cheap ones on eBay where you don't know if it will really hold up like the authentic Apple OEM glass. And unless you pay the $200 to Apple, you will loose your Warrenty completely.

Don't worry, it is worth it still because the iP4 uses special Gorilla Glass.

Your best bet is to get a case for her because that improves reception too.

Actually, glass can have manufacturing defects, improper tempering and built-in stress that causes the glass to fracture spontaneously. A crack in and of itself is not proof of abuse.
post #182 of 221
I'm going to go way out on a limb here and propose something strange just for the sake of argument. Let's suppose Apple is actually telling the truth here. Maybe they really are having technical problems in production and just need time to work out a solution. I know it's not as much fun as speculating as to all manner of ulterior and nefarious purposes, but someone (probably a detective) once said: "The simplest explanation is most often the correct one."

Besides, for those whose point of view is that Apple is incapable of honesty: even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.

Have a nice Friday fellow posters!
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post #183 of 221
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Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post

Actually, glass can have manufacturing defects, improper tempering and built-in stress that causes the glass to fracture spontaneously. A crack in and of itself is not proof of abuse.

Andy Ihnatko recently reported results of his quick poll which showed him that many who have had cracked glass got instant exchange for a new iPhone 4 at Apple Stores. Don't know if such great customer service will extend beyond the basic warranty, but it speaks well for Apple so far.
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post #184 of 221
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Wow, this thread got of hand quickly. Guess it's time for me to pull out my Glock and start making brain slushies!

Good point. Now, whenever my son, nephew or grandsons want to come over and use their gaming console with my plasma, I can tell them that the mindless opposition on whatever first person shooter games they are playing will forever be called "Blackintosh".
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post #185 of 221
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Dear gristan-san,

That was an example of American sarcasm. Not a troll.

Too bad, it seems to be a lost art or mode of imparting a thought. Not too many takes the time to read more carefully, and if unsure, to go back to the previous positions of posters.

It reminds me of the recent incident when the African-American USDA employee was fired based simply from a snippet of her whole presentation. EVen the NAACP was snookered to condemn her, only to retract their position the following day.

Many now now respond simply to code words or terms, rather than the entirety of the words or even actions of the people we talk to.

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N.B. I cringe when one has to write "sarcasm", or has to place smileys just to convey that they are not being serious, or what they wanted to convey must be read "in between lines".

Having stated this, gristan-san, might have missed the nuance due to language differences.
post #186 of 221
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Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post

Actually, glass can have manufacturing defects, improper tempering and built-in stress that causes the glass to fracture spontaneously. A crack in and of itself is not proof of abuse.

Yes, this seems to happen a lot with beer bottles at my house.

The top seems to weaken to the point where the cap falls off and all the beer evaporates. In the morning, there are just a bunch of empty bottles all over the kitchen counter.

Odd.
post #187 of 221
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Originally Posted by Aerv View Post

Where did apple say that it won't come out till later this year?

FYI: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010...statement.html
post #188 of 221
Just think how much money Apple would make if they open the IPhone to all phone providers, not just ATT. Sure at first it would cost money but I think in the end it would really widen the appeal of this phone.
post #189 of 221
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Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post

Wow, this thread got of hand quickly. Guess it's time for me to pull out my Glock and start making brain slushies!

Yes I found an Apple Store near me that has a short enough queue to almost promise me they'll have one for me on Sunday if not tomorrow. Online store orders are still 3 weeks long. So looks like I got lucky to find an Apple Store with a short queue in South San Jose known as the Oakridge Apple Store after this news forced me to forgetaboutit in the White department.

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post #190 of 221
I'm planning on getting both a black and a white iPhone. Then I will swap one side of the phones and then have two black and white iPhones No I'm not a cop.
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post #191 of 221
Well, all I know is I'm not buying a iPhone 4 until the white ones come out, and while I wish it would have happened sooner rather than later, I'm not losing any sleep over it. Really, there's nothing wrong with my white 32GB 3GS, and waiting a couple months to throw down another $300 isn't going to kill me ... in fact, it will probably be better for me.
post #192 of 221
If the white paint job is not do-able, then I have The World's Greatest Idea and will share it with everyone now:

MAKE A CLEAR GLASS iPhone 4 THAT SHOWS OFF ALL OF ITS LOVELY GIBLETS !!!

With laser engraving INSIDE THE GLASS BACK (not on the surface -- you've seen those crystal ornaments with 3D interior laser etching of dolphins, hummingbirds, etc?) of text and /or objects.

BTW, the white iPhone4 has tiny holes for the proximity sensor, so it must work OK.

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Good point. Now, whenever my son, nephew or grandsons want to come over and use their gaming console with my plasma, I can tell them that the mindless opposition on whatever first person shooter games they are playing will forever be called "Blackintosh".

I am honored.
post #194 of 221
Apple has been misleading their loyal customers who wants the white iPhone for their press releases. Before the iphone 4 launch, Steve Job mentioned that the iphone 4 will be available in black & white. Then the black iphone 4 came, no whiteness came to the scene. During the latest press conference on the antenna issue, again Mr. Job said that the white iPhone will start shipping by the end of July. Just earlier today, Apple released a report that the controversial white iPhone will not materialise until the end of this year. So, my friend & I are not buying this BS no more, to wait then what? be mislead again. They lied the third time and they got away with it and they'll lie over and over again. Because "we want our users to be happy."
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Originally Posted by therealjammer View Post

Apple has been misleading their loyal customers who wants the white iPhone for their press releases. Before the iphone 4 launch, Steve Job mentioned that the iphone 4 will be available in black & white. Then the black iphone 4 came, no whiteness came to the scene. During the latest press conference on the antenna issue, again Mr. Job said that the white iPhone will start shipping by the end of July. Just earlier today, Apple released a report that the controversial white iPhone will not materialise until the end of this year. So, my friend & I are not buying this BS no more, to wait then what? be mislead again. They lied the third time and they got away with it and they'll lie over and over again. Because "we want our users to be happy."

Because its all a shrewd plan to not make money by not selling you a phone.
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post #196 of 221
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Originally Posted by HammerofTruth View Post

How about discussing real news like if Verizon is selling so many Droid phones, why are they loosing money?


Good question!

It MUST BE that Verizon is not selling so many Droid phones.
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Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post

The suggestion that they were taken unaware and had no idea just 7 days ago and two weeks before launch, is even more stupid than the suggestion that they were stunned and surprised that their bars algorithm over stated the signal strength (you know, the algorithm they released 2 years ago who's only change was to purposely overstate the signal strength).


That is not surprising at all. They did not know about the signal strength issue until after release of the iPhone 4. That's why Steve said that they had only 22 days to work on it. He said that several times. And they fixed it in less time than that!
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Originally Posted by Naboozle View Post

Actually, glass can have manufacturing defects, improper tempering and built-in stress that causes the glass to fracture spontaneously. A crack in and of itself is not proof of abuse.


Har! Good luck...

Apple uses the best glass. They have QA.

Improper tempering? Its Gorilla Glass! It is the best glass in the world, made under the strictest manufacturing specification in the business. IT CAN BEND!
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Har! Good luck...

Apple uses the best glass. They have QA.

Improper tempering? Its Gorilla Glass! It is the best glass in the world, made under the strictest manufacturing specification in the business. IT CAN BEND!

Hey, for all we know this is glass by and/or tested by actual gorillas.
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That is why I find the "plonk" capability of this forum software so useful.

"Hey, Blackintosh just got "plonked"!
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