Originally Posted by Camp David
If you're going to stretch the truth try to do so more convincingly. Kindly provide an authoritative cite that shows (1) the United Methodist sect you cited is anywhere mainstream, (2) that shows the United Methodist sect you cited is anywhere the largest, and (3) that the "choice"
you cited is supported by the majority of parishioners within the United Methodist Church?
Did you even read the Wikipedia article? It is not a sect of UMC that supports choice! It is the whole church that supports choice as officially published policy!
Not only that, your demand #3 is totally irrelevant and asinine. It makes no difference whether the majority of parishioners support choice. It is officially supported by the church organization, in black-and-white.
The links you pointed to previously do none of this.
As I pointed out, you're wrong.
More often than not, Christians showing sympathy toward pregnant single mothers and offering alternatives toward abortion, as Christians are want to do, are portrayed in the progressive press as showing sympathy toward "choice," wherein the reality of the situation is that Christians, and that would include United Methodists, advance alternatives to include adoption as a direct means to avoid abortion, not to favor it with "choice" as you suggest.
Come on, no one has made such a claim, at all. This is the official policy of the church:...the Church recognizes the legal right of the mother to choose after proper consideration of all options with medical, pastoral and other counsel, and emphasizes the need to be in supportive ministry with all women, regardless of their choice.
You can't spin that and claim the church doesn't support choice.
Fewer abortion doctors, less support for abortion internationally, and changing laws in states and nations for condemning it outright. What you are citing is actually society itself (secular) laws moving against abortion. In terms of Christianity, Holy Mother Church, has not changed an inch against abortion.
Then what the hell was your point about there being more opposition to choice than evah? Was it relevant at all to the discussion, considering what you just said?
The entire basis of your argument is conjecture, conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. As if anyone should just "know" that you can't be Christian and support choice.