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Reports that Apple's Mac Pro models are listed as unavailable in several retail stores' web based Reserve and Pickup listings may indicate the coming of a long overdue update to the high end desktop models.

A report by MacRumors relayed checks by users at multiple retail stores that showed no availability of either the Quad-Core, 8-Core, or both Mac Pro models.

In March, AppleInsider tips pointed toward new Mac Pro models being released by June, alongside a new 27" LED Cinema Display.

It's believed that Apple will stick to its existing Xeon strategy, employing a pair of pricey Xeon 5600 Series "Gulftown" chips into a wallet-crunching dodeca-core Mac Pro, while offering a single processor model with 6 cores at prices similar to today's $2,500 quad-core model.

Another indication of upcoming Mac Pro models was noted by the site earlier this month, when the Mac mini shipped with a new build of Mac OS X incorporating driver support for high end graphic cards.

The new drivers, including support for AMD's ATI 5000 series video cards, have reportedly been successfully used to get an ATI Radeon 5870 working within an existing Mac Pro. Nvidia has also released Mac OS X drivers for its GeForce GTS 480 cards, incorporating support for Fermi, the next generation of its CUDA technology.



Earlier this month, HardMac reported that new Mac Pros would also deliver USB 3.0 and faster FireWire 1600 or 3200 ports. Existing pro Macs supply FireWire 800. The new Mac Pros are not yet expected to debut the new LightPeak cabling technology however.
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Glad to see this. Being an content producer who depends of his Macs for work, it's a welcome sight. Tired of playing second fiddle to phones and such. It's all about the Mac right?
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Glad to see this. Being an content producer who depends of his Macs for work, it's a welcome sight. Tired of playing second fiddle to phones and such. It's all about the Mac right?

I hope so.

The only thing I can add to my previous comments is that I don't think they need a design refresh, wich is insane because they've had the same design for like 6-7 years now.
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About damn time!!!!!!
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Let's hope that this means there will be a refresh soon!!!

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Glad to see this. Being an content producer who depends of his Macs for work, it's a welcome sight. Tired of playing second fiddle to phones and such. It's all about the Mac right?

Apple hasn't been any less atentive to the Mac Line up than they have been in the past. In fact this year has shown that they are still willing to innovate.

For example the new MBPs that auto switch video chips as needed. I'm not aware of any manufacture outside of Apple that goes beyound Intel reference designs like Apple does. Then we have the Mini within which Apple lowered power demand again while increasing performance.

The Mac Pro on the other hand has never been the type of product Apple has updated frequently. The update free stretch on the current model isnt that far out of the ordinary. So why the whine?

If you want a Mac that gets uodated frequently you should be asking for an XMac. That is a Mac built around the more common hardware available instead of server grade hardware. Instead of knocking a niche product like the Mac Pro knock the missing product in Apples lineup.


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I hope so.

The only thing I can add to my previous comments is that I don't think they need a design refresh, wich is insane because they've had the same design for like 6-7 years now.

says you. They could definitely stand to slim that thing down in a few areas. It weighs like 100lbs and it has 4 spoilers... you know... for keeping it on the ground? Yea, it's totally top heavy. It's truly tower and most of it is hollow space for airflow. So what you have is a giant metal wind tunnel. How about instead of the massive super heavy tower, they make something where you swap out the components just as easily, only with half the metal (smaller shipping footprint and materials cost), and naturally the better performance that you'd get from an internals upgrade.

I don't know how the newest AMD chips compare to the intel chips in regards to performance, but they have way more cores.
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Woot, I hope it's a good update with real GPUs
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says you. They could definitely stand to slim that thing down in a few areas. It weighs like 100lbs and it has 4 spoilers... you know... for keeping it on the ground? Yea, it's totally top heavy. It's truly tower and most of it is hollow space for airflow. So what you have is a giant metal wind tunnel. How about instead of the massive super heavy tower, they make something where you swap out the components just as easily, only with half the metal (smaller shipping footprint and materials cost), and naturally the better performance that you'd get from an internals upgrade.

I don't know how the newest AMD chips compare to the intel chips in regards to performance, but they have way more cores.

Well considering how they shrunk the Mini quite a bit maybe we do have that to look forward to. Apple still likes aluminum, but now they like it heavily CNC machined instead of punched and hydro formed.
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Woot, I hope it's a good update with real GPUs

You'll get a real GPU, only it will be a few generations behind what is available for PC's, 30+% dearer and the drivers will be crap so whatever they are they'll perform like PC GPU cards from 2008.
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Woot, I hope it's a good update with real GPUs

I'm somewhat entertained by Apples insistence of always releasing major hardware updates just before ATI does the same, virtually granting that Macs will perpetually lag behind PCs in GPU performance.
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Are they already updating the Mac Pros again?¡
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i was hoping the refresh would have light peak.
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In March, AppleInsider tips pointed toward new Mac Pro models being released by June, alongside a new 27" LED Cinema Display.

I wonder if they'll bother building a 27". The amount of sales that model will generate is bound to be so low that the price would be high enough for them to be as well making the 27" iMac take a video input. Which they have done.

Dell 24" IPS = $539. Apple 24" IPS = $900.

Dell sell a 27" IPS for $1100. Using the price difference from the 24", Apple's could be $1460. Apple sell a 27" iMac for $1700. So you just buy the 27" iMac and you get a spare computer thrown in to use if your other one breaks. The original 30" was over $3k. If they can get the USB ports and maybe FW800 to work over a mini-dp aux connection, even better.

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It's believed that Apple will stick to its existing Xeon strategy, employing a pair of pricey Xeon 5600 Series "Gulftown" chips into a wallet-crunching dodeca-core Mac Pro, while offering a single processor model with 6 cores at prices similar to today's $2,500 quad-core model.

They aren't all that pricey relatively. The i7-980x is more expensive than the lower-end Xeons. The Xeons work in dual processor configs too unlike the desktop chips. If the Mac Pro update is imminent and they do in fact use the Xeons, it's a bit odd that they haven't updated earlier. The processors have been out for 4 months now or something like that.

USB 3 is a must but I don't think that would have delayed the release. The final product will likely answer a lot of questions but I will reiterate that if all they do this time round is drop in the expected 3600/5600 Xeons and do nothing else then it will be a pretty disappointing update because besides doing nothing, it's pretty much the least effort they could expend on that lineup.
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I'm somewhat entertained by Apples insistence of always releasing major hardware updates just before ATI does the same, virtually granting that Macs will perpetually lag behind PCs in GPU performance.

You really need to come inside the bubble. Because inside the bubble those things don't exist.
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Dodeca-cores? What are we trying to do by producing these monsters? These machines are already many thousand times faster than the simulator for the first atomic bomb.

Hope "THEY" don't get their hands on a few of these. After all, how much processing power does one need to be productive at work place or at home.
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Dodeca-cores? What are we trying to do by producing these monsters? These machines are already many thousand times faster than the simulator for the first atomic bomb.

Hope "THEY" don't get their hands on a few of these. After all, how much processing power does one need to be productive at work place or at home.

And how many times more powerful are our brains compared to the earliest organisms that we can justify as having brains?

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post #18 of 133
A new look is long overdue. I predict jobs and I've will make it out of glass. White glass!
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This will be fun to see Apple's take on a "Power User's system." For sure, it will be an elegant design, etc.

Me? I'm quite satisfied with an iMac, no cables (except the pwr cord and my iPhone 3Gs dock). I love the new Magic Mouse, Apple BT keyboard and Time Capsule for wireless Time Machine backups.

I use our second bedroom sort of as a 'telecommunications' room. The cable modem, Time Capsule, digital camera, BT headphones, Mophie iPhone battery are all in there sitting/charging on a dresser-No pwr bricks or cables in my office!

The only items in my office are the iMac on my desk, a Brother wireless printer on my credenza and in the closet is a 1' stack of copy paper....nothing else!

I have nothing in my desk draws except one red felt-tip pen.

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PS. When I get my iPad, it will be on a dock in the living room with the Origami slide show loaded.

PPS. Also, in my living room is my flat screen TV with my AppleTV's slide show with all my photos showing with the internet radio playing beautiful 'ambient/light guitar' music in the background. Very soothing and my friends love to see photos of themselves when they come over. It's better than an aquarium!

PPPS. Damn, I love Apple. But I really love no cables! Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
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A new look is long overdue. I predict jobs and I've will make it out of glass. White glass!

Very funny....I was going to suggest black glass, too. But, I didn't want everyone to jump on me, 'too hot, too heavy, shows the dust, etc., etc.'

I think Apple should just forgo anything 'white' anymore...
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Ps. Pss. Psss.

Sounds like a fun setup you have there man. Also, it's PS, PPS, PPPS. Post-script. Post-post-script, etc.
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i was hoping the refresh would have light peak.

I have seen no evidence that LightPeak is anywhere near ready fort production.

Apple usually isnt the first to adopt a technology, but they are the first to adopt it across their product line. There isnt even anything that could use it at this point*.


* Before you or someone else mentions that its protocol independent note that while that is true its still optical and pretty much every protocol and device you are thinking of is connected via cooper which makes a very, very expensive convertor box which also doesnt yet exist.


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USB 3 is a must but I don't think that would have delayed the release. The final product will likely answer a lot of questions but I will reiterate that if all they do this time round is drop in the expected 3600/5600 Xeons and do nothing else then it will be a pretty disappointing update because besides doing nothing, it's pretty much the least effort they could expend on that lineup.

I wonder. Apple doesnt like to do a simple update mid cycle to add something that would necessary like USB3.0. It would likely have to come to Macs then their iDevices, and the larger, more powerful and more expensive Macs would likely be the first to get these, IMO, so I can see them holding back on an update if something wasnt quite right with a product they dont update more than once a year.
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post #23 of 133
They're upgrading the Mac Pro? Whats the matter, did they run out of iOS devices to sell?

Nice to see Apple remembering that they make Macs, too.
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Nice to see Apple remembering that they make Macs, too.

Note Apple just reported a record number of Mac sales in a quarter with an all new MacBook, MacBook Pros and a redesigned Mac Mini. All note that they are resopsonsible for 1/3 of the retail profit of PC sales. I have to think they haven't forgotten the Mac or its potential.
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Spoken like a true zealot.

They sure haven't forgotten the profits from the Mac line. Or how to screw a 2 year old cpu eg in the iMac like. See Core 2 Duo for details.

But the Mac Pro IS a forgotten machine. With an outrageous sticker price for a 'mere' quad core starting at an eye watering £2k for a 'workstation' with 'old tech' when it was introduced consumer GPU with laughable ram and HD. How can the flagship Mac computer not have an update in a year and a half? Truly pathetic.

If that isn't 'forgotten'...I don't know what is. Not to mention the 'distant memories' of some kind of display range to accompany it.

The current Mac 'pro' is a goddamn joke. Overpriced. Under-powered. Out of date.

In short, nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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Get that.

Lemon Bon Bon.

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WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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*snip rant*

Yes Lemon, we know. It's been 4 days, you couldn't contain your Mac Pro rage The processors in the Mac Pro were definitely top end upon release, the only thing that was poor was the video card options. Currently it is certainly behind the times, no one is arguing that with you. I think you can let go of the anger tho buddy, it's being updated very soon if these reports are right. We'll see exactly how up to date it becomes.
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says you. They could definitely stand to slim that thing down in a few areas. .

Yes, it definitely needs a new case but I actually kind of like the big metal case. I mainly just want them to come up with a new look. They seem to have been incorporating the black in with the metal in their other hardware maybe that is what they will do.
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Spoken like a true zealot.

They sure haven't forgotten the profits from the Mac line. Or how to screw a 2 year old cpu eg in the iMac like. See Core 2 Duo for details.

But the Mac Pro IS a forgotten machine. With an outrageous sticker price for a 'mere' quad core starting at an eye watering £2k for a 'workstation' with 'old tech' when it was introduced consumer GPU with laughable ram and HD. How can the flagship Mac computer not have an update in a year and a half? Truly pathetic.

If that isn't 'forgotten'...I don't know what is. Not to mention the 'distant memories' of some kind of display range to accompany it.

The current Mac 'pro' is a goddamn joke. Overpriced. Under-powered. Out of date.

In short, nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

Lemon Bon Bon.

I fully agree with Lemon here.

At work we have been waiting fot quite some time to buy new Mac Pro's.
I don't want to buy the current ones because of the reasons stated above (same price as when introduced over a year ago, now old graphics card etc.) and in this case there is no discussion that one feels a bit locked having just Apple as the hardware vendor. Or I guess that would be fine if the updates was more frequent and more in pace with the rest of the industry. I'd also be happy to see a little more hardware options, (not that it should be overwhelming like with Dell and such).
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Spoken like a true zealot.

They sure haven't forgotten the profits from the Mac line. Or how to screw a 2 year old cpu eg in the iMac like. See Core 2 Duo for details.

But the Mac Pro IS a forgotten machine. With an outrageous sticker price for a 'mere' quad core starting at an eye watering £2k for a 'workstation' with 'old tech' when it was introduced consumer GPU with laughable ram and HD. How can the flagship Mac computer not have an update in a year and a half? Truly pathetic.

If that isn't 'forgotten'...I don't know what is. Not to mention the 'distant memories' of some kind of display range to accompany it.

The current Mac 'pro' is a goddamn joke. Overpriced. Under-powered. Out of date.

In short, nothing short of an absolute disgrace.

Are you referring to me and my reply to a comment that specified Macs as a whole, not the single model type you specified in your comment? If so, note that Ive already made a sarcastic remark about the long delay between Mac Pro releases in this thread and have made many mentions over the years to the weakening focus on non-consumer based Apple products, but that doesnt change the fact that Apple is focused on Macs do to the money they are making and money they can make from them for the foreseeable future.
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...The only items in my office are the iMac on my desk, a Brother wireless printer on my credenza and in the closet is a 1' stack of copy paper....nothing else!

I have nothing in my desk draws except one red felt-tip pen....

Where's the Flickr photo set so we can see??

I love the Apple TV screen saver with the photos floating up the screen. I have it pulling from my Flickr.
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Let's hope that this means there will be a refresh soon!!!

Exactly.
Maybe supplies of current models will start dwindling soon and become harder to find. This usually indicates a refresh is coming.
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Would love to see an SAS and/or SSD build-to-order drive option.
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About damn time!!!!!!

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They're upgrading the Mac Pro? Whats the matter, did they run out of iOS devices to sell?

Nice to see Apple remembering that they make Macs, too.

Is it true you can build one now that gets about the same performance for a fraction of the price? I also thought I read that there is a new script or something that allows you to install updates without having to worry. Can anyone confirm or deny from that osx86 group. Strange how apple leaves them alone. Why server CPU if you can do without that and ECC memory, besides price. Trying to understand as it seems a lot of do it yourselfers swear by it.
Just curious. Peace out.
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says you. They could definitely stand to slim that thing down in a few areas. It weighs like 100lbs and it has 4 spoilers... you know... for keeping it on the ground?

If you allow for the idea that the Pro serves a purpose then you will realize what Apple needs is another product to fill the role of a desktop Mac.
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Yea, it's totally top heavy. It's truly tower and most of it is hollow space for airflow.

Actually all that space does not assure air flow. If you have hot spots you have to design the machine to provide that air flow. One of the worst things about the old ATX PCs is that many where built by people with zero concern about air flow. Thus a wide range of reliability problems.
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So what you have is a giant metal wind tunnel. How about instead of the massive super heavy tower, they make something where you swap out the components just as easily, only with half the metal (smaller shipping footprint and materials cost), and naturally the better performance that you'd get from an internals upgrade.

It may be coming if any of the patent applications are to be believed. In a nut shell you are asking for what many of us call an XMac.
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I don't know how the newest AMD chips compare to the intel chips in regards to performance, but they have way more cores.

AMD isn't as bad as many imply. They trail Intel somewhat in performance. As you note though more cores so in some cases AMD can be a big win.

The real play with AMD will come "real soon now". That would be the combo of Fusion and Bulldozer. Fusion would be almost perfect for the Mini and ought to out perform the current Intel implementation.

The real question is how tied to Intel is Apple? Will the introduce a sub par machine based on the coming Intel hardware instead of the Fusion hardware?


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You'll get a real GPU, only it will be a few generations behind what is available for PC's, 30+% dearer and the drivers will be crap so whatever they are they'll perform like PC GPU cards from 2008.

The Nvidians are gatthering a wide arsenal to rule....
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The Mac Pro is not a gaming machine but a workstation for people that need heavy number crunching (scientists) or lots of bandwidth (video pros). The fact that it has no BTO on the latest NVidia hairdryer won't bother those customers.

With respect to neglecting the Mac, I think Apple may have a tick-tock strategy. They work on the portable devices until they are at the cutting edge of tech and not much more they can do for a while, then they move to the Mac and innovate there, and then back to the portables and so on. Cross-polinating all the time.

I know portable devices are the new hotness, but lots of people still need/use computers, and it can make a big difference to many people's lives making better computers. The spread of Unix on the desktop also helps the nation's security I think, from foreign hackers.
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The Mac Pro on the other hand has never been the type of product Apple has updated frequently. The update free stretch on the current model isnt that far out of the ordinary. So why the whine?

Actually it is out of the ordinary. If you look at MacRumors Buyer's Guide it is the longest time without update since their records started, in 2002.
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac_Pro
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Dodeca-cores? What are we trying to do by producing these monsters? These machines are already many thousand times faster than the simulator for the first atomic bomb.

Hope "THEY" don't get their hands on a few of these. After all, how much processing power does one need to be productive at work place or at home.

Save time.
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I wonder if they'll bother building a 27". The amount of sales that model will generate is bound to be so low that the price would be high enough for them to be as well making the 27" iMac take a video input. Which they have done.

The attractiveness of the monitor depends upon it feature set. For example a HMDI interface make the monitor much more useful. If that HMDI input is capable of scaling the 1080p signal to the monitors native resolution then all the better. The monitors value istied to features, usable features, and hopefully a little Apple innovation.
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Dell 24" IPS = $539. Apple 24" IPS = $900.

Dell sell a 27" IPS for $1100. Using the price difference from the 24", Apple's could be $1460. Apple sell a 27" iMac for $1700. So you just buy the 27" iMac and you get a spare computer thrown in to use if your other one breaks. The original 30" was over $3k. If they can get the USB ports and maybe FW800 to work over a mini-dp aux connection, even better.

Focusing on cost at this stage makes no sense. If you go down to your local appliance store there are all sorts of HDTVs for sale. Unless your need is the absolute lowest price you buy based on what your need are.
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They aren't all that pricey relatively. The i7-980x is more expensive than the lower-end Xeons. The Xeons work in dual processor configs too unlike the desktop chips. If the Mac Pro update is imminent and they do in fact use the Xeons, it's a bit odd that they haven't updated earlier. The processors have been out for 4 months now or something like that.

When looking at the Pro dont forget to factor in the cost of the buffered memory.

It is true that new processors have been out for awhile now but that is likely not what they are waiting on. If the machines are due soon there is no sense soeculating on what the hold up was. Instead we can simply wait for the real iron to make itself available.

In any event i think people need to relax here. Have a little faith that Apple is overhauling the hardware and is doing it right.
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USB 3 is a must but I don't think that would have delayed the release.

Wether you like USB 3 or not the fact is it has not been ready for some time. It hasnt been in Intels chipsets for one, for another the various descreet chips all had issues. I'm not sure where the "it must have USB3 mantra" comes from. Certainly it would be nice but on the otherhand it shouldn't be implement at a high expense.
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The final product will likely answer a lot of questions but I will reiterate that if all they do this time round is drop in the expected 3600/5600 Xeons and do nothing else then it will be a pretty disappointing update because besides doing nothing, it's pretty much the least effort they could expend on that lineup.

And whom is indicating that this will be the type of upgrade Mac Pro will get? If anything the long wait is more likely an indication of a major overhaul.

To the contrary I'm expecting far more than a processor bump. This due to the convergence of many little elements that lead me to be hopeful.




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