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post #201 of 279
7/25/10 at 12:59pm
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Originally Posted by joguide View Post

I just realized why this antennagate is getting such a long long play. It's like the Star Trek episode "Day of the Dove," where the Klingons and the crew of Enterprise mindlessly kill and maim each other day after day, not knowing that they are pawns of a malicious alien entity that thrive off the anger and hate.

That is why this not issue is being kept alive by both Mac, Windows and Google blog sites. They don't care who is right, as long as it generates a lot of angry and repetitive debate. This is the ultimate flame bait for this year. It keeps bring people back wanting more of the same, feeding the blog. They must be making a killing off this topic.

It's time to bury this issue. Nothing is solved and you guys have better things to do.

"Out! We need no urging to hate humans. But for the present, only a fool fights in a burning house."
- Kang to the entity, quoting a Klingon proverb

JoeG

Yes. It's time to bury this issue but there is another side this story which also comes down to making money and involves Apple's competitors. Did you notice how quickly Nokia and others jumped on the "antenna-gate" wagon to prop up their cell phones knowing very well that their phones did the same thing?

It is a "dog eat dog" world. Especially when you're in a leading position.

Time will tell.
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post #202 of 279
7/25/10 at 1:07pm
The lies are starting to pile up in this thread. Now the haters are pretending to own the very device that they love to hate. One even overheard a sales associates steering potential customers away from the iPhone 4 - at not one, but two different stores. Now, after 4 weeks of referencing Consumer Reports et al., they've managed to score the sold out phone - an attempt to muster credibility? You betcha.

You people are ridiculous. Fail!
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post #203 of 279
7/25/10 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

The lies are starting to pile up in this thread. Now the haters are pretending to own the very device that they love to hate. One even overheard a sales associates steering potential customers away from the iPhone 4 - at not one, but two different stores. Now, after 4 weeks of referencing Consumer Reports et al., they've managed to score the sold out phone - an attempt to muster credibility? You betcha.

You people are ridiculous. Fail!

Postulant: a person admitted to a religious order as a probationary candidate for membership

Keep the faith... If you continue with such baseless/blind fanatical rants, it's certain that the truly 'Apple Elite' will someday increase your probationary status to that of a full-fledged member.

Ridiculous Indeed!
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #204 of 279
7/25/10 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Habañero View Post

And if the mechanic lied to you and says "don't worry; all cars do that; let me show you videos of a Mercedes not running, and another of a Lexus not running..." would you exhibit such lemming-like incuriousness?

I've said this before here, but I'll say it again: just saying something involving two products does not an analogy make; the situations have to actually be analogous. The above is not actually an analogy; it's just a different situation involving two products.

A valid analogy with cars might be something like: all rear wheel drive cars suffer from oversteer. (That may not be strictly true, but it is something that affects many rear wheel drive cars in certain conditions.) The cars run, you can drive them, but there can be some handling problems under certain conditions.

Your "analogy" would only be a valid analogy if it were the case that iP4s didn't actually work at all. See the difference? There, you got schooled for free.
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post #205 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post


Keep the faith... If you continue with such baseless/blind fanatical rants, it's certain that the truly 'Apple Elite' will someday increase your probationary status to that of a full-fledged member.

Thanks for the chuckle...
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post #206 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:41pm
Too bad a lot of the Google Applications are exclusive to America, it's a very different experience in Australia, there are a lot of demo's, themes and ringtone makers which seem to dominate.

Prices are all over the place in euro's, dollars. pounds and zlotls for all I know

I've tried with a HTC Magic, Legend and SonyEricsson X10.

It is so much easier to plug a new iPhone into iTunes and hit sync.

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As an avid customer of both 'markets', the truth is that the Android Market has a much larger percentage of quality apps that are either free of charge or priced less than their functionally-equal versions in the Apple Apps Store. As a matter of fact, some of the better GOOGLE Experience apps (Goggles, Talk, Voice, and Full TbT Navigation with Google Maps, etc.) have no real Apple Apps Store equivalents, and are Still Free.

Note: There's no better perspective than that of one having extensive experience with both environments.

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #207 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:47pm
There are two sides to every story. Every smartphone has reception issues under the wrong circumstances. But the iPhone 4 does have a unique problem. I found a summary of articles that look at the issue from both sides:

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100725180015
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post #208 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:47pm
How would that be lying?

A car not running is a car not running.

A phone dropping bars is a phone dropping bars.

There is no lying involved.

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Originally Posted by Habañero View Post

And if the mechanic lied to you and says "don't worry; all cars do that; let me show you videos of a Mercedes not running, and another of a Lexus not running..." would you exhibit such lemming-like incuriousness?

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #209 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Thanks for the chuckle...

Being an optimist, he's finally figured out how to use a search engine so perhaps he'll learn to utilize it before posting nonsense like this in the future.
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post #210 of 279
7/25/10 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

There are two sides to every story. Every smartphone has reception issues under the wrong circumstances. But the iPhone 4 does have a unique problem. I found a summary of articles that look at the issue from both sides:

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100725180015

"Looking at the issue from both sides" does not mean that an accurate picture is painted. Just the fact that the site uses the label "fanboys" betrays the bias inherent in the listing of articles.

The next dirty little secret is that each of these phones that drop bars when held in certain ways has a unique problem. So either they are all unique, in which case the iP4 being unique doesn't make it's behavior a case apart, or they aren't, including the iP4, really unique in a meaningful way, and once again, the iP4's behavior is not a case apart. In other words, your point is meaningless because of its triviality.
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post #211 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

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Users should never have to be told how to hold their phone, as it should be engineered to function efficiently no matter how it's held (within reason).

Well, dreams are free! Many phones DO have explicit instructions about how to hold or not hold the phone so as not to interfere with the antenna. ALL phones suffer signal loss when held in a certain way. It's physics.
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post #212 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:13pm
If it does it, it does it. A friend got a droid X recently and loves it...except she says the phone part is absolutely horrible.
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post #213 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

The solution already exists: Put The Antenna(s) Back Inside The Handset.

Note: ...and there's probably no way to legitimately patent common sense.


Are you sure? As far as I can tell the Droid has the antenna on the inside and loses signal when being held normally.
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post #214 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by Habañero View Post

And if the mechanic lied to you and says "don't worry; all cars do that; let me show you videos of a Mercedes not running, and another of a Lexus not running..." would you exhibit such lemming-like incuriousness?

I'd say a better analogy would be a user saying "Hey, my car's milage in the city is worse than it gets on the highway! Fix my defective car!"
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post #215 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by sonicsands View Post

A bit harsh when someone is just quoting another article. But hey, that same blog has a couple of articles that are pro-Apple:

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100718025521

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100724101442

Kinda defeats the notion about inherent bias.

Thanks, man. My point exactly. Glad to see not everyone is clouded by one-sided passion, not that passion is a bad thing.
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post #216 of 279
7/25/10 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels View Post

My 2008 Mac Book battery has expanded within the computer and the Apple online tech guy said it was a normal occurrence for safety reasons. That was a lie. The battery only had 19 cycles on it since it is mostly used as a desktop computer. If Apple doesn't acknowledge this as a defective unit after only 19 months I'll stop dealing with Apple too. I didn't buy Applecare. I dual booted Linux on an HP computer in part because of this situation. I'm preparing to give up on Apple if they don't act responsibly and replace this defective battery.

I think you misunderstand how Li-ion batteries work.

A 19 month old battery with only 19 cycles is EXACTLY how to kill a battery. Li-ion batteries hate to be float charged all the time without cycling. Your battery would be doing much better if you had cycled it more often. I'd make sure you cycle it once a week minimum. In fact your macbook manual tells you this, so you can't blame apple.
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post #217 of 279
7/25/10 at 4:26pm
I keep coming back to these articles to see if the postings are still lame. They are...especially all the "analogies" of crashing cars, cars not running, pickles not dill enough, shirt collars not stiff enough. But I digress. Maybe Monday's articles will bring some fresh discussion topics. The iPhone antenna story is done. Stick a fork in it.
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post #218 of 279
7/25/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by sonicsands View Post

Putting on a case effectively puts the antenna inside!

Which is exactly why Apple decided to Give Them Out For Free until they can reengineer the antenna system.
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #219 of 279
7/25/10 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by BartBuzz View Post

I keep coming back to these articles to see if the postings are still lame. They are...especially all the "analogies" of crashing cars, cars not running, pickles not dill enough, shirt collars not stiff enough. But I digress. Maybe Monday's articles will bring some fresh discussion topics. The iPhone antenna story is done. Stick a fork in it.

Just don't stick said fork near the area on the iPhone 4 that easily attenuates when covered...
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #220 of 279
7/25/10 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Being an optimist, he's finally figured out how to use a search engine so perhaps he'll learn to utilize it before posting nonsense like this in the future.

Now that's some serious trolling you're doing there...

You might at least try to stay on topic, rather than just causing disruptions by posting irrelevant, inflammatory, extraneous, and off -topic messages.
"Why iPhone"... Hmmm?
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post #221 of 279
7/25/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Just don't stick said fork near the area on the iPhone 4 that easily attenuates when covered...

It's still done. There's no more story here. Well I did hear that each iP4 now comes with a piece of silly putty to appease the people who aren't buying one anyway.
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post #222 of 279
7/25/10 at 5:06pm
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It's still done. There's no more story here. Well I did hear that each iP4 now comes with a piece of silly putty to appease the people who aren't buying one anyway.

Why not just ignore this thread? Let's face it, you love being given a reason to belittle people. You should thank us for allowing you to stroke your own ego.
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post #223 of 279
7/25/10 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by BartBuzz View Post

I keep coming back to these articles to see if the postings are still lame. They are...especially all the "analogies" of crashing cars, cars not running, pickles not dill enough, shirt collars not stiff enough. But I digress. Maybe Monday's articles will bring some fresh discussion topics. The iPhone antenna story is done. Stick a fork in it.

Hmmmm...

It's on the premier Apple fansite news page, yet you claim the story's done? That seems more like wishful thinking than any reflection of the reality of the situation.
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post #224 of 279
7/25/10 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Being an optimist, he's finally figured out how to use a search engine so perhaps he'll learn to utilize it before posting nonsense like this in the future.

I wonder how many of your 17,000+ posts would remain if all those with personal attacks, and posts to like-thinking AI members containing put-downs of people who disagree with you, were removed.

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post #225 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:06pm
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Originally Posted by sonicsands View Post

A bit harsh when someone is just quoting another article. But hey, that same blog has a couple of articles that are pro-Apple:

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100718025521

http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20100724101442

Kinda defeats the notion about inherent bias.

The first article is not at all pro Apple. The second article is more neutral, short, and really just a blurb about another story elsewhere that's been all over every site. I don't see how this defeats the notion of inherent bias at all. When you label anything not anti Apple as the "fanboys", I think that says it all.
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post #226 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Now that's some serious trolling you're doing there...

You might at least try to stay on topic, rather than just causing disruptions by posting irrelevant, inflammatory, extraneous, and off -topic messages.

Ha, ha, ha. Very funny coming from you. What? You don't like having it pointed out how ridiculous you are? There's a solution to that, and it's already been suggested to you.
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post #227 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by Chopper View Post

Hmmmm...

It's on the premier Apple fansite news page, yet you claim the story's done? That seems more like wishful thinking than any reflection of the reality of the situation.

Well, AI is no less a hit whore than any other blog.
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post #228 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Chopper View Post

I wonder how many of your 17,000+ posts would remain if all those with personal attacks, and posts to like-thinking AI members containing put-downs of people who disagree with you, were removed.


16,875. You can count them if you don't believe me.
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post #229 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

All phones suffer from death grip.

Only the iPhone 4 suffers from the finger of death (and it's not that common):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gb3aQ5XoQw

Why is everyone (including Apple) obsessed with death grip when it isn't the real issue here?

I just got the first 5 of our iphones in and while I can get them all to drop a bar or two, I can't get any of them to drop a call because of it. I suspect that Apple has made some tweaks since this all broke.
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post #230 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:25pm
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16,875. You can count them if you don't believe me.

So you're solipsism as well as anonymouse? If I ever get the 85 spare days or so I'd need to count them, I promise faithfully to do just that. Meantime I'll take your obviously well-documented count with the trust that I know you'd extend to me.
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post #231 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:27pm
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I just got the first 5 of our iphones in and while I can get them all to drop a bar or two, I can't get any of them to drop a call because of it. I suspect that Apple has made some tweaks since this all broke.

No. I suspect you are seeing the same thing almost everybody has seen since day one. Bars don't drop in most places. That's the way it's always been. Doesn't mean apple changed a thing. You're just not suffering from a problem very few people have.
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post #232 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:30pm
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Well, AI is no less a hit whore than any other blog.

And the topic's a hit magnet because apparently it's "not done yet".

I note you've popped by for a visit to my profile. Was it enlightening?
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post #233 of 279
7/25/10 at 6:52pm
Cool! I'm apparently anonymouse and he is me. Is this like a Father, Son & Holy Ghost sort of oneness or a Voltron like union? I vote for latter.
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post #234 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:15pm
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I just got the first 5 of our iphones in and while I can get them all to drop a bar or two, I can't get any of them to drop a call because of it. I suspect that Apple has made some tweaks since this all broke.

Well Apple did update the software to 4.01, which makes the bars more accurate, it doesn't stop the droidtard army posting links to the old videos which show more bars dropping.

"The cobbler's children have no shoes", is a saying that applies a lot to companies who provide products and services. -KDarling on Google Search.

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post #235 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:30pm
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So you're solipsism as well as anonymouse?

You are as right about that as you are about everything else.
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post #236 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:30pm
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Cool! I'm apparently anonymouse and he is me. Is this like a Father, Son & Holy Ghost sort of oneness or a Voltron like union? I vote for latter.

Or The Walrus perhaps...

But no, the comment was about anonymouse answering for you. I have a feeling you already knew that, though it may be you hadn't seen that possibility. However, you probably do now.

It's interesting how many times posters address something explicitly to another, yet that person doesn't answer it and instead some other poster answers for them.

Sort of a 'tag-team smackdown' approach to forum responses.
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post #237 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by Chopper View Post

And the topic's a hit magnet because apparently it's "not done yet".

I note you've popped by for a visit to my profile. Was it enlightening?

It's a hit magnet because trolls like you want to keep spinning your BS.

An accidental click, was intent on gathering stats on your posts.
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post #238 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:32pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

You are as right about that as you are about everything else.

Thanks.

So, anything interesting in my profile?
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post #239 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:38pm
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It's a hit magnet because trolls like you want to keep spinning your BS.

An accidental click, was intent on gathering stats on your posts.

Ah, the old 'insults because you have no valid argument' technique again Mr anonymouse. If you have some actual counter to my point, feel free to post it. Meantime, my point still stands - the topic is obviously not "done" yet.

Accidental click, huh?
Yeah, right.
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post #240 of 279
7/25/10 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Cool! I'm apparently anonymouse and he is me. Is this like a Father, Son & Holy Ghost sort of oneness or a Voltron like union? I vote for latter.

Voltron? He's the 4th musketeer, right?
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