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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

No, antennagate is about the Finger of Death, not about the deathgrip. Steve Jobs snookered his loyal followers into thinking that Apple is just like everyone else. WRONG. Only the iPhone 4 has the Finger of Death.

Show me another phone which you can touch with one finger and the signal goes to zero.

i think the only person to try making a phone call with one finger was E.T. and he was just trying to get away from Drew Barrymore... oh, and place a call to his home planet, why he failed wasn't the finger of death, but because the attenuation of the signal while trying to place a call with Saturn out of alignment with Uranus.. and then.. he got cancer of the finger... Moral of the story, stop trying to break it, and make a call already..
post #82 of 271
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

All phones suffer from death grip.

Only the iPhone 4 suffers from the finger of death (and it's not that common):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gb3aQ5XoQw

Why is everyone (including Apple) obsessed with death grip when it isn't the real issue here?

You're wasting your breath, the majority of people here don't want to understand the difference
post #83 of 271
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Originally Posted by Bcs123 View Post

Wow. Logical fallacy.

You can't really compare toyotas safety issues with apple's antenna sensitivity. They are vastly different in every way. The main one being that Toyota had nobody to point a finger at. The antenna problem is an industry wide phenomena, to some extent. Apple is mearly trying to show that they are being singled out for a problem that all phones have, even if it's not as extreme. Toyota had nobody else having the same or even marginally similar serious problems.

Whether it was ethically right for apple to drag other people into the fray is questionable, but most of the companies entered it willingly to trash apple. But comparing them to Toyota is a bit extreme and logically fallacious.

True.... Witness the Nokia website. The reason they are so upset is that Apple demonstrated that, despite Nokia's claims otherwise, their phones attenuate also, perhaps not with one finger..... but who can hold a phone with one finger. This whole thing is only noticed by most because they began checking something that others had a problem. Design flaw.... OK, but only Apple has made good on a fix of any sort, I never check bars, I just dial. This whole issue is not about all us self appointed pundit and champions of our favorite phone. It's about getting consumer dollars away from a wildly successful company's pocket and into their own.
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Originally Posted by applebjesus View Post

Todays CEOs are kind of clueless.

That's a big call, got some examples to back the claim up?
post #85 of 271
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

All phones suffer from death grip.

Only the iPhone 4 suffers from the finger of death (and it's not that common):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gb3aQ5XoQw

Why is everyone (including Apple) obsessed with death grip when it isn't the real issue here?

That's it exactly, well done.

I want Apple to show a single finger death touch on a Droid X, Nexus One, Evo 4G etc. Somehow I suspect they can't do that.
post #86 of 271
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Originally Posted by Bcs123 View Post

Wow. Logical fallacy.

You can't really compare toyotas safety issues with apple's antenna sensitivity. They are vastly different in every way. The main one being that Toyota had nobody to point a finger at. The antenna problem is an industry wide phenomena, to some extent. Apple is mearly trying to show that they are being singled out for a problem that all phones have, even if it's not as extreme. Toyota had nobody else having the same or even marginally similar serious problems.

Whether it was ethically right for apple to drag other people into the fray is questionable, but most of the companies entered it willingly to trash apple. But comparing them to Toyota is a bit extreme and logically fallacious.

...BUT, does the toyota get signal attenuation?
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Originally Posted by knot2bfound View Post

...BUT, does the toyota get signal attenuation?

no
what TOYota does get is brake failure at 60 miles per on choked pacted hway with your wife and kids in the car .yay !! these antenna yokes have no sence of danger like us .

its a great wonderful japanese game that we in america can also play.

like pet rock and hair spray in a can
this antenna stuff is beyond stupid

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post #88 of 271
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Originally Posted by voodooru View Post

this antenna issue seems to be put to rest at this point.

now the real drama coming next is the glass.


dropping an iPhone 2G, 3G and 3GS has never been a cause for concern. now with the iPhone 4 it will be a major headache going forward.

drop your phone and crack or shatter it and bam! you're out of $199 for a replacement. no sympathy, you broke it you pay!

interesting months are ahead!



Solution if you are clumsy don't buy it.
post #89 of 271
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Jobs is playing a dangerous game here. He's risking Apple's reputation with ordinary consumers.

anyone with 2500 post should know better ..

getting caught up idiot level hype

dude
no one has given back the phone
people who own the phone are having a blast

a few loud assholes seek to market the .....into a real issue .

i will remind you of this post 4 months from now

peace dude

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post #90 of 271
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Jobs is playing a dangerous game here. He's risking Apple's reputation with ordinary consumers.

Oh please. Ordinary customers could not care less about Apple's death grip page. As long as Apple continues to produce state-of-the-art products, this, or nothing else matters.

- Satisfied iPhone 4 fanboi
post #91 of 271
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

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this antenna stuff is beyond stupid

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I agree with you. Solutions to the affected customers were offered, questions were answered. Ever since, any further news about antennas and death grips are boring and stupid.



Including the OP.
post #92 of 271
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Originally Posted by brucep View Post

anyone with 2500 post should know better


I see no correlation between common sense and post count.
post #93 of 271
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Actually, the iPhone 4 is the only phone in existence which loses 5 bars when a single finger touches the insulator between the two external antennae, without even holding the phone.

The more Apple is trying to divert attention away from its idiotic design flaw, the more hilarious it's getting.

I guess what's most hilarious is that I just held a single finger on the "bridging spot of doom" and waited for over 2 minutes. Didn't lose one bar. For the record, I'm left-handed and did the "grip of death" and have done it NUMEROUS times. I lose one or two bars while doing that (just like other phones), but nothing with the 1 finger.

Giving my phone the finger didn't work for me. I guess it did for you, huh?
post #94 of 271
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

That's it exactly, well done.

I want Apple to show a single finger death touch on a Droid X, Nexus One, Evo 4G etc. Somehow I suspect they can't do that.

Wtf does it matter if it's a single finger or a palm? Everyone I know holds their phone with their palm - not a single finger. If touching your phone in a certain area causes problems, either hold it different, get a case, or take the damn thing back - regardless of who manufacturers it.

At the end of the day, it's still a damn cell phone - trivial.
post #95 of 271
What's this then?

How about that, it's a Nokia user forum where someone is complaining about the bars dropping on an N97 Mini in January this year.

There's even a suggested solution which involves how to hold the phone, all before the iPhone 4 was even released (or found in a bar).

Amazing that Nokia never heard of it as the forum is hosted on their site.

You were saying?

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Originally Posted by Doorman. View Post

>Two other vendors included in Apple's original video comparisons were also quick to issue press releases that suggested they've never heard of signal attenuation issues from their customers.

Well, that is maybe because they did not have a system in place through which the customers could do it...
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post #96 of 271
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I guess what's most hilarious is that I just held a single finger on the "bridging spot of doom" and waited for over 2 minutes. Didn't lose one bar. For the record, I'm left-handed and did the "grip of death" and have done it NUMEROUS times. I lose one or two bars while doing that (just like other phones), but nothing with the 1 finger.

Giving my phone the finger didn't work for me. I guess it did for you, huh?

Mine doesn't drop no matter how I hold it. The experts keep telling me it's cause I'm in an area with strong signals, but I've tested it in areas with poor coverage, too.

Overblown, as far as I'm concerned.
post #97 of 271
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

iPhone 4s have a one year wannanty- that includes cover if you drop it.

AppleCare covers failing parts, not falling parts.

Maybe Apple should have handed out wrist straps rather than cases?
post #98 of 271
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Jobs is playing a dangerous game here. He's risking Apple's reputation with ordinary consumers.

Ever since Jobs decided to go for broke with 'ordinary consumers', success has come his way; iPod on to the iPad of today. A few geek corpses paved the way to mainstream land.

All big risks, but manageable under a mature, resourceful, forward looking stewardship.Apple has come of age and they're taking the consumers along for the ride. The grassroots consumers just don't feel they're being taken for a ride; they acknowledge calculated risk taking as being part of a worthy experimentation of life.

A reputation is not built upon the restful domain of one's comfort zone; it is made out of stalwart exposition of your core beliefs, for all challenges to disprove them as irrelevant hubris.

The only danger here would be to hold back on fate...
post #99 of 271
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If its truly only impacting less then .5% of iPhone users then I wouldn't have given shit away.

People don't generally go ape shit over .55%. Hell, the accidental death rate in your average hospital is higher than that.

In my Pharmacy class, you're allowed a medication error rate of up to 10%. I guess administering the wrong meds to 10 out of 100 people is a number they can live with.
post #100 of 271
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Your the one that's confused.

The issue isn't the "finger of death." The issue is blocking the signal by means of the users hand, and related to that, the dropping of calls.



All cell phones drop calls, most of them worse than the iP4.
post #101 of 271
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I wouldn't call it worst in class and a touch by a finger is again irrelevant in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dogM4Wu51tc

Talk about broken records. Touch of a finger is all that's necessary--it's just that subtle--compared to other phones that require something that actually looks like a death grip. You Apple shareholders are so defensive. Get over it. If Apple hasn't anything to hide, then join the call to have Field Test Mode restored in the next iOS update. Wimps.
post #102 of 271
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People don't generally go ape shit over .55%. Hell, the accidental death rate in your average hospital is higher than that.

In my Pharmacy class, you're allowed a medication error rate of up to 10%. I guess administering the wrong meds to 10 out of 100 people is a number they can live with.

0.55% was measured over precisely what period of time? How many people realized this is a hardware issue and didn't bother to call AppleCare? How many people read Apple's hold-different response? How many people expected the problem to be resolved in 4.0.1?
post #103 of 271
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

0.55% was measured over precisely what period of time? How many people realized this is a hardware issue and didn't bother to call AppleCare? How many people read Apple's hold-different response? How many people expected the problem to be resolved in 4.0.1?

22 days! How long does it take to figure out that you can't make a call? I'm guessing about 10 seconds. What say you? And the .55% is with the media blitz.
post #104 of 271
If my car's not working I don't care if it's the electrical system or the fuel system, all I care about is my car not working and I'll leave it to a mechanic to figure out why.

If my phone's not working...

Are you getting my drift?

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Originally Posted by Habañero View Post

Um... regardless of how few users drop calls on iPhone 4, the stink here is how Apple is misrepresenting the issue: they're implying that other manufacturers' attenuation problems equate to iPhone 4's detuning problem.

There's a big difference between detuning and attenuating an antenna.
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post #105 of 271
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Why are people paying for a $600 phone anyway? My $50 Virgin Mobile phone using Sprint service works anyway I hold it. Apple really blew it when the iPhone 4. They didn't fully test this thing with users. I think they assumed it would work fine however it was held, so they pushed it through to manufacturing.

This is really a disappointment for a company with a reputation of producing allegedly superior products that are well designed in every way.
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post #106 of 271
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Originally Posted by sippincider View Post

As Apple customers, we really shouldn't care if competing products also have problems. It's APPLE product we're concerned with.

As apple customers we shouldn't care if other phones hit the floor when dropped. It's only apple products we're concerned with. Apple products should defy the laws of gravity.
post #107 of 271
The smartest move when a competitor gets himself in hot water is to just let them stew in their own juice. By weighing in (or piling on) you only divert attention to yourself. You then become part of the drama. Not the best thing.
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post #108 of 271
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what TOYota does get is brake failure at 60 miles per on choked pacted hway with your wife and kids in the car .yay !!

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Actually the NHTSA just released a report fingering operator error as the cause of "unintended acceleration" in the Toyotas. Curious thing, operator error.
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Actually the NHTSA just released a report fingering operator error as the cause of "unintended acceleration" in the Toyotas. Curious thing, operator error.

Actually the nhtsa just released a statement claiming that toyota in fact leaked that report to the wsj and it didn't come from the nhtsa.

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post #110 of 271
Apple can 'add' any number of maker's handsets to their little list, but it won't change the fact that it is the iPhone 4 that currently stands as the most widely known for suffering from this 'design-flaw', and certainly the only modern handset that can be made to attenuate utilizing a single finger.

Nice (if ultimately pathetic) Try Though... Now Let It Be
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post #111 of 271
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Originally Posted by freddych View Post

That would be all fine and dandy if the spot were somewhere out of the way. But it's where a lot of people rest their palms when using the phone for talking and for data. That's the problem! Also, this specific finger-gate issue is so easy to fix. All they have to do is insulate the damn thing. The bumper does this but so would a thin clear coating.


lets get back to the external antenna, like the moto brick and perhaps have a wired one that you clip to your pocket

hey its part of the territory for smart or other type small phones

its a non issue, and others just hid behind owner manuals, and hype.

rock on apple
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post #112 of 271
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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Mine doesn't drop no matter how I hold it. The experts keep telling me it's cause I'm in an area with strong signals, but I've tested it in areas with poor coverage, too.

Overblown, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. I hope that this soon passes, because I'm tired of nearly ALL the Apple news I read is from people who either a) don't have the phone or b) have it and love it so much, but want to complain and are too much of a jerk to return it.

I think the iPhone 4 song summed it up best. "If you don't want an iPhone 4, don't buy it. If you bought one and you don't like it, bring it back." Otherwise, STFU. :-)
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Apple can 'add' any number of maker's handsets to their little list, but it won't change the fact that it is the iPhone 4 that currently stands as the most widely known for suffering from this 'design-flaw', and certainly the only modern handset that can be made to attenuate utilizing a single finger.

Nice (if ultimately pathetic) Try Though... Now Let It Be

Of course the iPhone 4's antenna courage is widely known - when Apple makes the news, people pay attention. For the last 30 days straight, we have had the media, the bloggers, and the forever loyal Apple critics screaming in our ears that the iPhone 4 is a dud - that its design is flawed - that it drops calls - that Steve ignores the advice of his engineers - that the sky is falling. But as evidenced by the return rates, the already released sales numbers, and the 3 week shipment delays, we know what customers really think about what's being reported.

There's no other way to cut it - despite everything and everyone, the iPhone 4 is kicking ass and taking names. No matter how you slice it.

I, like millions of other customers, see it as HYPE.

Now, you let that be!!!
post #115 of 271
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Originally Posted by Bcs123 View Post

Wow. Logical fallacy.

You can't really compare toyotas safety issues with apple's antenna sensitivity. They are vastly different in every way. The main one being that Toyota had nobody to point a finger at. The antenna problem is an industry wide phenomena, to some extent. Apple is mearly trying to show that they are being singled out for a problem that all phones have, even if it's not as extreme.


Please enlighten us where on any other phone you can put one finger and lose 5 bars? "Industry wide phenomena" my eye. Apple diluted this problem by talking about a "Death Grip". No one complained about a "Death Grip". They complained about the fact that if any part of their hand touched one spot on the side of the phone, it dropped calls. Grow up Apple, we are not in the 1st grade anymore, admit you screwed up and fix it, and move on. Don't point at your other classmates. MAN UP!!!! I guess the "great innovators" "missed a spot".
post #116 of 271
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iPhone 4s have a one year wannanty- that includes cover if you drop it.

Covered if you drop it? I don't think so. No way.
post #117 of 271
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Its just funny to me that once you get on top the media is right there to try and knock you off the mountain.

It will all come down to if the consume buys into the media hype or not. I am not sure if it was a good idea for Apple to offer something for free only because it makes them look even more guilty as if there is a wide spread problem and they are trying to cover it up.

If its truly only impacting less then .5% of iPhone users then I wouldn't have given shit away.

Its not so strange that once you are on top the media wants to bring you down. At least not in Apple's case. Its more than on top, right now - its almost too good to be true. Apple is beating all the odds what with refusing to go cheap, insisting on high level design, re-defining established business models. Basically Apple is challenging the status quo in a lot of areas and being hugely successful. After a while it makes for a pretty dull story. Every media outlet needs a story on Apple and it gets boring if everything is just dandy. There's no drama.
The people who hate Apple for their 'control freak'ery' are mainly geeks and are insignificant now that Apple is mainstream. All the journalists who needs something to write about - bad iPhone 4!, and all the up-in-arms-techno-geeks - bad iphone 4!, and all the other Apple haters - SJ is the devil, are also insignificant now that Apple is mainstream - witnessed by the continued success of the iPhone 4 in spite of the endless iterations of the same boring arguments about the the bad arial, Apple's lies, and SJ's arrogance. People honestly don't give a shit because for the vast majority it is a non issue. I suspect all the attention the iPhone 4 has gotten is playing directly into Apple's hands.
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" No one complained about a "Death Grip". :

If you had any credibility, it's out the window, now.
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No one complained about a "Death Grip".

lol. re-writing history much?
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post #120 of 271
People in glass should not throw stones....

Apple is taking this way over the top, but it does make the point redundantly clear, at least to the layman. You can argue the specific technical merits of why Iphone is worse, but really it makes all the critics look pretty petty.

Yeah, yeah...your phone is really doesn't loose signal like iPhone4, and your phone defies the laws of physics, LOL. Well a picture is worth a thousand words.

Apple can sit back and lob these videos again and again. Apple have nothing to loose, because there is not going to be a backlash from the general public. See any drop in iPhones sales yet? These videos will only reinforce the iPhone purchasers that they made the right choice, and create FUD for the non-iPhone owners/Android owners, especially the non-technical ones, about their purchase.

For all involved this issue should be left to die. But if this issues keeps dragging on, I bet Apple will keep adding more videos of cellphones loosing signal just the iPhone4. As they say, fight fire with fire.

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