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Some Apple retail stores have run out of stock of both 21.5-inch and 27-inch iMac models, ahead of an expected refresh to the desktop Mac hardware.

An AppleInsider reader sent word Sunday that the 21.5-inch iMac, and quad-core 27-inch model are both unavailable for the Reserve and Pick Up option at the company's retail store in Buffalo, N.Y. In addition, some desktops are unavailable in other locations, including Apple's Fifth Avenue store in New York City, where the quad-core 27-inch is not available for pick-up.

However, for those shopping on Apple's online store, the hardware is still scheduled to ship within 24 hours.

The changes to the company's Reserve and Pick Up option come soon after Apple warned its direct and indirect sales channels of near-term shortages of the iMac. The company is drawing down its inventory ahead of the launch of new models, expected to arrive in the coming weeks.

Among those out of stock in some locations are the 3.06GHz 21.5-inch iMac, of which Apple has told distributors not to expect any further stock, implying that production of the model has ceased.

Potential configurations of the new hardware include a dual-core Core i5 model and quad-core Core i5 and Core i7 configurations. People familiar with the plan previously indicated to AppleInsider that Intel's low-end Core i3 processor would also find its way into the iMac line.



Earlier this month, it was alleged that the forthcoming iMac update would add USB 3.0, as well as faster FireWire connectivity. The new hardware is not expected to have support for Blu-ray discs.

Signs of another hardware update also came through Apple's online store Reserve and Pick Up option last week, when customers discovered limited availability of the company's other line of desktop machines, the Mac Pro. Users found that multiple retail stores showed no availability of either the Quad-Core or 8-core Mac Pro models.
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Tuesday seems like a viable bet. Do you think any other updates beside iMac and Mac Pro HW; AppleTV, iLife, iWork, Pro apps? My concern is the stock price and I also wonder if Apple would push an update faster than planned to help hide negative news.
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geez - feels like I just got this thing. Will it be cool enough to step up???
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

geez - feels like I just got this thing. Will it be cool enough to step up???

The iMac was last updated 278 days ago, which is 47 days passed the average cycle update of 221 days before refresh. (via Mac Buyers Guide)

The last update to the iMac (the one you own) was a major overhaul, so next update will likely not be anything major. I don't expect any major design changes for 1-2 years.

The only rumor floating right now is multitouch/iOS integration into iMacs/Apple desktops but that seems unlikely at this time. Would be kinda cool though.
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The only rumor floating right now is multitouch/iOS integration into iMacs/Apple desktops but that seems unlikely at this time. Would be kinda cool though.

I don't get having multi touch on a desktop. Seems like it would be uncomfortable to have to lean forward to peck at the screen. Of course, I'm a fatty so maybe it's just me. I prefer a nice comfy chair and keyboard and mouse.
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My concern is the stock price and I also wonder if Apple would push an update faster than planned to help hide negative news.

It is highly unlikely that they would push a hardware update to deflect the 'negative' news of late. One because the value has basically recovered already. and Two because if it is too soon and there's some big issue, the negative there would be horrible. Folks would jump all over the notion that Apple is making a habit of releasing stuff before it is ready, etc.

I think that it is possible that the imacs could release soon to catch any students that might want a desktop (like video/film folks that want bigger screen real estate) or those willing to use their annual discount on the family as they already have a well working machine.

The Pro delay is probably due to some external factor like some processor or graphics card that wasn't previously available that will make the update really pop. Or even USB 3.0 which hasn't really put in an appearance, suggesting it wasn't yet ready for prime time.

as for the apps, we shall see.

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The only rumor floating right now is multitouch/iOS integration into iMacs/Apple desktops but that seems unlikely at this time. Would be kinda cool though.

To me that rumor is utterly ridiculous. At least the multitouch part of it. Because the rumor is that they are going to drop Mac OS in favor of putting iOS in the machines and making them giant multitouch devices. Which is beyond. Not only because of the growth in the pro apps at studios and labels (which are supported by Mac OS), but the form function is bogus. Outside of a few limited items like previewing kiosks at stores, museums and such, it's just not workable.

That said, there are rumors of an Apple trackpad that has allegedly reached the FCC. I could buy the idea that 10.7 would include an iOS emulator allowing you to run apps on your computer, using said trackpad as your control surface. But this would be an add-on to Mac OS, not a replacement
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Hope they will release the Magic Trackpad at the same time with the iMac. Hi everyone !
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

geez - feels like I just got this thing. Will it be cool enough to step up???

Rest assured that this update won't render your current iMac obsolete, unless you're obsessed with having the latest wares.

A reasonable expectation would be the implementation of some kind of multi-touch pad either added to the (admittedly minuscule) keyboard, or even touch functionality added to the monitor itself, as pioneered some 2 years ago by Hp's TouchSmart all-in-one desktop computers.

We'll See Soon Enough...
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Hope they will release the Magic Trackpad at the same time with the iMac. Hi everyone !

Seems logical...laptops out sell desktops, so Apple creates a laptop keyboard for their desktop, which i love btw! Now they offer up a trackpad also similar to their laptops!

Welcome puljiun!

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Tuesday seems like a viable bet. Do you think any other updates beside iMac and Mac Pro HW; AppleTV, iLife, iWork, Pro apps?

At this point they might as well call iLife and iWork 2010 iLife 2011 and iWork 2011. In any event tying a products name to the release year is a mistske in my mind. So maybe we will see this rethought.
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My concern is the stock price and I also wonder if Apple would push an update faster than planned to help hide negative news.

Screw the stock price, you are either a long term investor or not. Im not sure why you would even bother to concern yourself with a short term price drop engineered by out of control media.


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New hardware will be grand but along with the hardware I'm hoping iWork 10 will show up. I'm just waiting to pull the trigger on a new Mac purchase but really want iWork 10 so I can bundle that in. I don't know why Apple is super secret on iWork. Come out with a freakin beta for it so we can help debug and provide feedback.
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The HP TouchSmart PCs seem to be doing pretty well, so I'd be surprised if Apple didn't respond with a touchscreen iMac.
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Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

If it is a major update, the media would be involved, thus Tuesday is unlikely.

Typically, thats the case, but the newest Mac Mini was redesigned without a Special Event.

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At this point they might as well call iLife and iWork 2010 iLife 2011 and iWork 2011. In any event tying a products name to the release year is a mistske in my mind. So maybe we will see this rethought.

I think iLife and other apps might get the X moniker to signify a conversion to 64-bit and Cocoa, the way QTX was bumped up from QT7. With iTunes, which is already on v9 and due for this year I can easily see them using X, but that will have to wait for the iPod event in the Autumn.

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Screw the stock price, you are either a long term investor or not. Im not sure why you would even bother to concern yourself with a short term price drop engineered by out of control media.

Yeah, those are the two basic choices and I am long on every stock I current hold, but I have a different reason for wanting the stock to shoot past $300 a share in 2010 and beating XOMs market cap.
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Hoping for an i5 as the base processor for the new imacs. I need to get my wife a computer but have been waiting for this duo nonsense to take its course.
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Hoping for an i5 as the base processor for the new imacs. I need to get my wife a computer but have been waiting for this duo nonsense to take its course.

Core-i seems like a given to me. What seems less certain is whether it will be desktop-class chips like in the 27" iMac, which cleary has the spare for them, the heat sinks and requisite power supply.

I have to think that even the smaller iMac outsells the Mac Mini and therefore assume that they have focused more time and energy to it's design. After seeing the engineering that went into the new Mac Mini I have to think that it's certainly a possibility they were able to engineer it.
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The real unknown is the bottom SKU with NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics.

The i3/i5 replacing it has a built in intel chipset on the die, and NVIDIA can't make a chipset for it.

This is one of the reasons why the 13" MacBook and MacBookPro are likely stuck on Core 2, since Apple can't ship computers with shit Intel integrated graphics, but adding a discrete video card is more expensive, and makes it harder to differentiate the more expensive SKUs.

At least the 21" iMac has less physical space limitations as Apple's laptops.
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It would be a very good update!

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I've been holding out to get a new one, though I could hold out until October/November as I'd expect they'd hold off until after the back to school rush.

If they come with a matte option even better. Though I'll be plugging in my 23" cinema display anyways, having a secondary matte screen is the only reason I'd let myself get an imac.
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iMac, Mac Pro, MacBook Air, iLife X and iWork X??

..please
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Apple was just a excellent PC manufacturing company before the release of iPod and iPhone, recently iPad. Steve Jobs has transformed Apple into a global technology giant from a domestic PC manufacturing major of US. This is indeed a tremendous outcome for Apple. iMac is an excellent product with the vision of taking the GUI and User experience into next level with the backing of Steve’s awesome thought process. I am not surprised at all with such a performance from Apple, because it’s the Steve’s brain which is behind this marketing graph, and everyone knows what a genius he is? http://www.webdesignseoglobal.com/
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I guess, looking at the current models, the logical next step is kind of obvious. That is, iX chips across the line.

But other than that I don't know. SSDs are still kind of expensive for a base configuration, but maybe will be offered BTO. I don't see them offering USB 3 since Intel chipsets don't support it yet. Perhaps they will offer an updated Firewire instead of USB3 (see, it was worth keeping around!). The 9400M also needs replacing with the 320M on the low end.

But all these things really only add up to a bump revision. What I am hoping for is something crazy with the screen, such as a significant DPI increase. Not to the same extent as the iPhone 4 (that would be impractical) but an improvement nonetheless. And maybe a custom 10.6.4 build with res independence. I have noticed it getting closer and closer to done as the 10.6 point releases have progressed, so they're still working on it.

There could also be a keyboard with a touchpad in place of the numeric keypad. This would give all Macs, even desktop bound ones, a touchpad, and there have been rumors about some kind of new touchpad type device lately.
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To me that rumor is utterly ridiculous. At least the multitouch part of it. Because the rumor is that they are going to drop Mac OS in favor of putting iOS in the machines and making them giant multitouch devices.

That isn't the rumor at all, it's what those with no imagination ("what's the use of an Ipad" brigade) assume when there is talk of some aspects of iOS being integrated into the desktop line up. I can see that if I were able to interact with my 27" iMac with limited tough, it would be incredible useful and intuitive. Who says a computer has to be vertical? Who says a computer has to be touch controlled or controlled via the keyboard/mouse model. There are shades of grey, and these could be very interesting indeed.
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Apple was just a excellent PC manufacturing company before the release of iPod and iPhone, recently iPad. Steve Jobs has transformed Apple into a global technology giant from a domestic PC manufacturing major of US. This is indeed a tremendous outcome for Apple. iMac is an excellent product with the vision of taking the GUI and User experience into next level with the backing of Steves awesome thought process. I am not surprised at all with such a performance from Apple, because its the Steves brain which is behind this marketing graph, and everyone knows what a genius he is? http://www.webdesignseoglobal.com/

No apple was "just" an excellent software company and hardware design/manufacture company before the release of iPod and Iphone. You miss the really important turning point - it was the introduction of the iMac, not the iPod that came first. Without Jonny Ive and the rest of the team there would have been nothing.
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I wonder why Apple isn't saying the truth about not including the blu-ray in Macs. If they don't want to ship blu-ray drive with Macs, it's fine, at least they can support it in the Mac OS X. I don't want to download these compressed craps known as HD movies on iTune store for 20 bucks, when I can find lots of blu-ray titles (true HD) for 10 bucks. Steve don't lie here.
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Rest assured that this update won't render your current iMac obsolete, unless you're obsessed with having the latest wares.

I'm actually hoping more apps become multi-core aware. I've yet to have anything take up 100% of the 4-core CPU, even though some work takes a long time to complete. But CPU wise, I should be set for a while...
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Typically, thats the case, but the newest Mac Mini was redesigned without a Special Event.

That is a good point. However i think iMac and the Pro get more respect at Apple. Atleast for major updates.
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I think iLife and other apps might get the X moniker to signify a conversion to 64-bit and Cocoa, the way QTX was bumped up from QT7. With iTunes, which is already on v9 and due for this year I can easily see them using X, but that will have to wait for the iPod event in the Autumn.

That would work. In my opinion a business solution like iWork being updated every year is more of a negative that a positive. Paid for updates need to provide substantial additional capability that should be delivered complete and well tested.

As a side note it would be nice to see iWork eventually support scripting via MacRuby. That isnt ready for prime time but would be something to consider for 2012.[/QUOTE]

What is really sad is that i have nothing scheduled for purchase this year. So when these machines do come out i will have to sit back and listen to all the new owners.

I say nothing but im extremely tempted by iPad. All it would take is a Memory upgrade.


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I'm actually hoping more apps become multi-core aware. I've yet to have anything take up 100% of the 4-core CPU, even though some work takes a long time to complete. But CPU wise, I should be set for a while...

As to specific apps realize that some will never see a huge speed up from multiple cores. Some apps simply are very difficult to multi thread. Then there is another class of apps where the developers simply dont have the skills to multi thread an app.

This isn't all negative though because even if the apps you use poorly exploit all those cores that doesnt mean the Mac,via OS/X, isn't using them. They can keep your machine from slowing down when back ground apps run. Plus advancements with Flash now use a process to separate that heap of $61@ from the browser.

In a nut shell if people ask me, i try to impress on them that the minimal number of cores you should consider these days is four. Unless your only focus is absolute lowest cost, quad cores simply give you more useful life and better support heavily threaded apps.

That is if you run heavily threaded apps. That very much depends upon the user.



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If it is a major update, the media would be involved, thus Tuesday is unlikely.

That's what I thought last fall at the last updates, but they just popped them up at the store, so, it'll take some pretty major update to get an event, I think.
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... As a side note it would be nice to see iWork eventually support scripting via MacRuby. That isnt ready for prime time but would be something to consider for 2012. ...

I just don't see that happening -- way too geeky a feature that probably wouldn't be used by more than 1% of iWork users, if that many.
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Didn't Steve say that Apple would support blu-ray when it was popular enough? Well it's pretty damn popular now. Didn't Avatar do about 30-40% of it's sales on BD? I suspect that means the blue discs are mainstream now.

Apple have never given a real reason why they won't add BD support, I suspect because there isn't one beyond one of Steve's petty dislikes.
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The real unknown is the bottom SKU with NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics.

The i3/i5 replacing it has a built in intel chipset on the die, and NVIDIA can't make a chipset for it.

Intel is really screwing customers like Apple that want to offer additional capability over the run of the mill. That is why i'd like to see Apple look towards AMD.

The reality is AMDs current hardware can compete OK against some of Intels hardware. Especially at the lower end where AMD would be quad core and Intel would be dual core with SMT. Plus Apple would really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get an ATI video solution that is far worst than Intels IG.

There is a real problem of more power usage. On the otherhand nobody knows where AMD is with Fusion.
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This is one of the reasons why the 13" MacBook and MacBookPro are likely stuck on Core 2, since Apple can't ship computers with shit Intel integrated graphics, but adding a discrete video card is more expensive, and makes it harder to differentiate the more expensive SKUs.

Yep, there has to be atleast a few pissed of people at Apple due to intels stupidiyy. All intel needs to do is add an Arrandale variant without the IGPU.

I fully understand that the wave of the future is highly integrated chips with built in GPUs. The problem as you point out is that intels GPUs are still crap and likely are to remain that way for some time.

AMD on the otherhand has a great opportunity if they can get a desktop/laptop variant of Fusion out with a good GPU. While the first Fusions might not be stellar performers with respect to the GPU they have one other significant advantage which is good support for OpenCL like usage. Apparently AMDs "Ontario" Fusion chip is real near to release however it is designed for netbooks. If it drops though it may give us a better understanding of what AMD is up to with Fusion.
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At least the 21" iMac has less physical space limitations as Apple's laptops.

Yes that is true but on the other hand Apple could put more effort into the case instead of pursuing thinnest for thinnest sake. The flip side here is all the high integration SoCs that are coming. Putting a lot of "stuff" into things like the Mini and the iMac will just get easier. Imagine a Mini next year that is quad core with even better GPU performance running even cooler.

The same high integration will make for an even better iMac. The space saved could easily go to additional drives, LightPeak chips, additional RAM slots or a number of other uses.

One more side note here on LightPeak. I have to wonder where the electronics to support Light Peak get slotted into the many levels of bus's. Im not sure it would make sense to try to hook it up to PCI Express. If not then support would have to go directly into the chipsets.



Dave
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I just don't see that happening -- way too geeky a feature that probably wouldn't be used by more than 1% of iWork users, if that many.

Yes Ruby is very geeky right now. On ther otherhand so was Python in its day. As a widely supported scripting language Ruby is growing and Apple is actively involved via MacRuby. MacRuby however still is Ruby a language with far wider support than AppleScript. The fact is it could be an excellent long term replacement for AppleScript.

As to being to geeky i'd have to say it likely won't be much worst than AppleScript. After all how many people really program in AppleScript beyound a few lines? Looking out beyound 2012 it doesnt appear to be that bad of an idea. By the way the reason why i mention MacRuby is due to Apples support. I have a stronger background in Python right now.

One last thing, Apple needsxa small dstabase manager in iWorks. Preferably built into numbers. This isnt there to compete with full blown database systems. Rather the idea is to add opaqueness to data in spreadsheets. Some times that can be accomplished via multiple pages for a given worksheet, but i just see SQL as often a better approach. The idea being to be able to use an SQL statement in a cell formula.



Dave
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GET RID OF GLOSSY ONLY SCREENS!

Until you do that I will NEVER upgrade!

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GET RID OF GLOSSY ONLY SCREENS!

Until you do that I will NEVER upgrade!


I second that!

Just applied matte film onto iPad. Gosh, how beautiful it became - the one can use matte iPad outdoor and in the car!!! FINALLY!!!
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I second that!

Just applied matte film onto iPad. Gosh, how beautiful it became - the one can use matte iPad outdoor and in the car!!! FINALLY!!!

apple is DOOMED until they hire only people named matt
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dell has much better computers
and they even have a red one that girls chaSE AFTER THE GuY WHO BUYS IT !!

so you glossy fun boys who willnewver even say the name apple again

dell welcomes you !!!!


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post #39 of 44
And I just got the email from work that they got my new iMac for my office. Curse you Apple! It's like you know we do all our purchasing in July. Last upgrade cycle, I missed the transition to Core 2 iMacs by a week.

On a more serious note, I don't expect big specs for the upcoming iMac. Look at the just released Mac Mini, their value Mac. It's $700 (!), without KB + Magic Mouse (+$100), and without a nice IPS monitor (+$300 at least). So now we are at $1100 comparable to an iMac, and it ships with a Core 2 2.4GHz and a 320M. That's not very promising.
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GET RID OF GLOSSY ONLY SCREENS!

Until you do that I will NEVER upgrade!


I still don't get the glossy complaint. I have the 27" iMac in my home office where I do some pretty hard core design and photo retouching. There's even a window in the office and I have never once had an issue with glare. You realize the screen tilts, right? If you somehow manage to park the machine where it catches some glare a tiny tilt adjustment should make it disappear.

I could only get your glossy complaint for laptops in outdoor situations where you want to share the screen with somebody.
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