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post #41 of 104
7/26/10 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

The Mac Mini has gone from being a £395 computer (overpriced at that for something that does not include, k/b, mouse or monitor!) to one costing £645.

I call that a steep price rise.

So much for the transition to Intel. More expensive computers with integrated craphics.

It's had a price cut? (How is eliminating entry models not a price rise. Heh, heh, heh...)

Only on the warped 'bubble' logic of the 'insider boards.

Lemon Bon Bon.

In an honest comparison, there was no price increase. Eliminating cheaper "entry models" doesn't mean they are charging more for the same thing. If you want to be upset about those being eliminated, fine. But it's simply not accurate to portray it as a price increase by comparing disparate models.
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post #42 of 104
7/26/10 at 2:20pm
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As long as it's not called the magic trackpad I'm ok with it. Seriousely a little bit much of an overlap with Disney there. Call it the Mac Trackpad, the iTrackpad, the Apple Trackpad please.

I second that.
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post #43 of 104
7/26/10 at 2:24pm
Too little, too late. Over 500 days without an update? $2k? Geforce 210 ($20) graphics card? Not the sort of hardware I want to be tied to.

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post #44 of 104
7/26/10 at 2:25pm
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I didn't know what Anal sex was until...

Blood cheek.

And they don't use lubricant.

I think that middle line is what's known in the (rough) trade as a Freudian slip!
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post #45 of 104
7/26/10 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

I'd rather an "ipad" talk to the computer than actually touching the screen itself. A touch screen imac would just be...

1) dirty (too many fingerprints and grease; ewww; our workstation are dirt enough and skeeve me out when I think about the germs, really bad in multiuser environments in terms of hygiene) and

2) not ergonomic at all. Unless they have a really cool stylus in the works my "pad/ tablet" suggestion would really only work for navigation and manipulation, but not useful to artists without pressure sensitivity. Hmmm

Add tired arms after a few minutes of touching a 27" screen...
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post #46 of 104
7/26/10 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by jabohn View Post

How does one "hypothetically release" something?"

And I won't ever be buying an iMac or new Apple Display until they make a non-glossy screen an option. It's no good for graphics work.

More precisely, how is it that Apple "might hypothetically" release something??

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post #47 of 104
7/26/10 at 3:21pm
I'm hoping for a 21.5" ACD the MacMini and laptops.

I wondering how much the Mac Pro price increase will be this time.
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post #48 of 104
7/26/10 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

I'd rather an "ipad" talk to the computer than actually touching the screen itself. A touch screen imac would just be...

1) dirty (too many fingerprints and grease; ewww; our workstation are dirt enough and skeeve me out when I think about the germs, really bad in multiuser environments in terms of hygiene) and

It seems to be odd to mention a touchpad device in a favorable manner in a post suggesting it's bad to have touch controls on a display. Have people been having major problems with fingerprints on the iPad and iPhone?

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2) not ergonomic at all. Unless they have a really cool stylus in the works my "pad/ tablet" suggestion would really only work for navigation and manipulation, but not useful to artists without pressure sensitivity. Hmmm

In many ways, I agree, they would have to make major changes to the machine.

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Originally Posted by anakin1992 View Post

why 27? what stops apple to release an update version of their existing 30 cinema display? putting a 27 display aside with 30 ACD, it just does not make sense.

I don't think they would be expecting buyers to use the new and old displays side-by-side. The 27" has a slightly higher dot pitch anyways, that might be slightly disorienting.

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Isn’t the 30” ACD dramatically different tech that we can probably expect from the 27” LED Apple Display? Do they make ≥ 30” LED backlights that are viable for mass production and adequate Apple’s needs as a computer display? Are there any other issues between these two display types that would make it harder to produce a ≥ 30” LED Apple Display? Who else is selling a prosumer or better display of that size?

I would expect that the technology would be a lot different in whatever replaces the 30", whatever size or shape it will be. I don't think there was a 30" computer monitor until Apple introduced theirs. I recall Apple paid LG seed money up front to build the building and make the production line, in exchange for a certain exclusivity time period. LED backlights are available for much larger TVs and I sure haven't found any reason to complain about the quality of those backlights.

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I don’t mind 16:9 for a desktop. The displays are large enough now to have plenty of height. What I don’t care for is smaller notebooks (anything less than 15”) with 16:9 or any “widescreen” ratio for a reader device, like the iPad. I think Apple was very smart here even some say that 4:3 is “obsolete”. Those “widescreen” tablets and netbooks are simply murder for anything but watching video.

I really don't understand the drive to 16:9 computer displays at all. I watch a lot of video on my computer, but most of the time I do other things too. I really don't want to resort to portrait orientation to maximize height, moving to 16:9 doesn't help maximize height.

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RGB, like they always have.

Are you sure Apple has always used the RGB type? The tech specs don't say.
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post #49 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:22pm
I don't think there will be anything new tomorrow.Don't you think if they were updating 2 macs and a display that they would have some sort of event?? So if anything tomorrow is say a small speed bump and that's it.
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post #50 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

I recall Apple paid LG seed money up front to build the building and make the production line, in exchange for a certain exclusivity time period.

I wonder if that could have been the iPad's display.

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LED backlights are available for much larger TVs and I sure haven't found any reason to complain about the quality of those backlights.

Acceptable tolerance levels seem to change when an Apple logo gets appended.
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post #51 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:44pm
How much of the supposedly extreme price increase of Apple Products in England is due to Apple and how much is due to the taxes required to maintain their lifestyle?

In Canada, we have the option of buying the product across the line and paying our 12% HST when we bring it back. The pond makes that a little harder for the English.
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post #52 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I wonder if that could have been the iPad's display.

The deal I'm thinking of was more like 7 years ago. For the iPad, it might be a different deal. I was just making an example that a panel doesn't have to be available on the commercial market for Apple to have one.

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Acceptable tolerance levels seem to change when an Apple logo gets appended.

I suppose, but Apple doesn't promote their displays as being for professional colorimetry, the new LED backlit TVs just don't seem to have anything wrong with the backlight quality, at least I don't know if anyone could tell otherwise unless they are in the calibration business.
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post #53 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon. View Post

I didn't know what Anal sex was until Apple hit UK buyers with the last few years worth of price rises...in recession too!

Blood cheek.

And they don't use lubricant.

Lemon Bon Bon.

Wow. I will never be able to get that mental picture out of my head. A sodomized bon bon.



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post #54 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

Part of the reason methink you won't find an i7 in anything smaller that the current 27" model is due to the increased thermal output of the CPU. Apple had to do some serious internal cooling tricks to use the thinner iMac case and anything smaller would end up turning that aluminum structure into a George Foreman Grill.

Quite right!
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post #55 of 104
7/26/10 at 4:57pm
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post #56 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:01pm
I think Apple is really lucky that they have so many customers that are willing to pay full price for stuff that's almost a year old (well over a year for the Mac Pro). They are also lucky that most of their customers don't read Intel, nVidia and AMD road maps to see when significant new technologies are coming out.

If Apple gets out of sync with their suppliers then even a brand new Mac may be a poor choice because it will be quickly leap frogged by new technology. When Apple isn't too far behind their suppliers' release dates then the following guides my buying decisions.

0-60 days old - do not buy, wait for public to find flaws and Apple to address them
61-120 days old - OK to pay full price
121 - 200 days old - OK to pay refurb price
200+ days old - do not buy, machine is too old to be worth what Apple charges

Only once in the last 18 years has my Mac completely failed and needed replacing at a "bad" time. My response was to move down the price ladder, getting a mini instead of the iMac I had been planning to get.
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post #57 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:14pm
Apple may update the MacPros tomorrow, but not the iMacs. They still have the "buy an iMac get an iTouch" promotion going until September. Why would they kill that promotion? Look for new iMac's in October, maybe new iPods in September. The "touch" input thingie could happen anytime.
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post #58 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:16pm
Hope it's true, whatever shows up.

It's kinda hard to move product when the shelves are running empty...
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post #59 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:31pm
Am I the only one who wants to see wimpier (and cheaper) Mac Pro? Something that uses iMac grade CPU at say, $1499?
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post #60 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:41pm
Over the weekend I finally pulled the trigger to replace my sluggish G5 iMac with the i7. It hasn't shipped yet so I hope that I'll get the bumped version (if it materializes). Either I have perfect timing or piss poor... I'd really love to see the i7-960 or 970 in my next machine.
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post #61 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:46pm
A cry in the night is heard.

The Steve wakes up and goes to the window, his wife whispers, what's the matter dear?

He looks outside at the trees, is there someone there? Someone who mutters, or is it matte?

Steve goes back to sleep again, he's silenced those matte voices a long time ago, they really shouldn't be there, should they?
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post #62 of 104
7/26/10 at 5:46pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


Apple's dodeca-core Mac Pro has also been in the works for some time....

I dunno about you guys, but after quad core I think people should just say 8 core or 12 core instead.
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post #63 of 104
7/26/10 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by briavael View Post

Over the weekend I finally pulled the trigger to replace my sluggish G5 iMac with the i7. It hasn't shipped yet so I hope that I'll get the bumped version (if it materializes). Either I have perfect timing or piss poor... I'd really love to see the i7-960 or 970 in my next machine.

You'll be getting the 2.93GHz i7-870 in your new iMac.
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post #64 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by Walney View Post

...And before we hear from the "it's more expensive to do business in Europe" lobby, I'm talking about a bigger incremental increase

So the overall costs of doing business can't incrementally increase?

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so that differential with the US just keeps getting bigger (even ignoring the tax)...

Oh, don't worry. We seem hell bent on shafting ourselves with taxes and lop-sided government programs, so the gap won't be quite so far apart. 2014 will be a real wake up call to most Americans, especially by those who own or work for a small business, when the health care fiasco really kicks in
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post #65 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:24pm
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Am I the only one who wants to see wimpier (and cheaper) Mac Pro? Something that uses iMac grade CPU at say, $1499?

Me, too. I bought, and loved, the cheapest G5 and G4 towers when they came out. A dual G5 Power Mac (tower) is my main machine. I have been waiting for a cheap Mac Pro for about two years. But more and more software is Intel-Only. If the new Mac Pros do not have a cheap model, I'll probably have to finally relent and get a Mini or iMac.
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post #66 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:30pm
I have last gen's Mac Pro... I just want more GPU choices... give me a 480 or a 5870 at least.
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post #67 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:35pm
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Will the powermacs have a new case? This current one has been around for several years now...

Black glass! Jobs has been wanting to do the 'black obelisk' of 2001 fame since he started neXT! I have to believe glass and a lot of glue is cheaper to make a case than milled aluminum. Should be interesting!

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post #68 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:42pm
27 inch nice size and a TOUCH SCREEN would be ideal.
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post #69 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:44pm
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How much of the supposedly extreme price increase of Apple Products in England is due to Apple and how much is due to the taxes required to maintain their lifestyle?

In Canada, we have the option of buying the product across the line and paying our 12% HST when we bring it back. The pond makes that a little harder for the English.

And it's only 5 % in Alberta
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post #70 of 104
7/26/10 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

The 24 will replaced by the 27.
The 30 will be replaced by something bigger (33-37).

I think the display and Mac Pro updates will be significant, but the iMac update will be minimal.

I hope so. If Apple largest display will be a 27" that will be disappointing. Once you go big you never look back. Seriously, I love my 30" display and I do hope a larger one.
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post #71 of 104
7/26/10 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by sc_markt View Post

Will the powermacs have a new case? This current one has been around for several years now...

Actually, the PowerMacs have not been around for 4 years now. They were replaced by the Mac Pros.
And isn't this article to talk about the new Mac Pros?
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post #72 of 104
7/26/10 at 10:12pm
I also think that the 24" ACD will be discontinued. After all, Apple doesn't make any 24" iMacs anymore. I hope it will come in at the same price point ($899) as well.

On the other hand, who's ready for all the reports of yellowing on the bottom half of the screen? Apple, you better have gotten LG to fix this. I returned six (6) 24" ACDs because they were all yellow on the bottom half. And yes, the "geniuses" saw it every time. This wasn't just a problem on the 27" iMacs.
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post #73 of 104
7/26/10 at 11:29pm
No touch screen iMacs but the new screens are going to be the Retina Displays like the ones found on the iPhone 4. They are applying them to the iMacs first and looking further out, think BIG, the Cinema Displays will all have the Retina Technology applied to it in the future, thats Apples next move.
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post #74 of 104
7/26/10 at 11:33pm
It seems to be a succulent update!

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post #75 of 104
7/27/10 at 12:07am
You're probably right. I'd expect touchscreen macs to accompany OS 11. But the success of HP's TouchSmart PCs shows there's definitely a market for these.

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Originally Posted by Smiles77 View Post

Believe me, there will be NO touchscreen iMac until AT THE LEAST 10.7, and probably not until 10.8. Also, there would absolutely be a press event for something that big. New software customized for it would have to be introduced and demoed, etc.
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post #76 of 104
7/27/10 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Isn’t the 30” ACD dramatically different tech that we can probably expect from the 27” LED Apple Display? Do they make ≥ 30” LED backlights that are viable for mass production and adequate Apple’s needs as a computer display? Are there any other issues between these two display types that would make it harder to produce a ≥ 30” LED Apple Display? Who else is selling a prosumer or better display of that size?

Well, LED-backlit 1080p displays are highly common now in the HDTV space... From 30" onwards. However that's 1080p, far below Cinema Display needs. I reckon 27" 16:9 monitors just like the iMac screens will be easy for Apple to implement. Basically, take the iMac 27", remove everything but the screen element, case tweaks, voila... 27" LED IPS Display. Basically Apple will just leverage the 27" iMac to give you... the 27" Cinema Display. The 30" Cinema Display will then be phased out. Forget about antiglare on the 27", I predict.

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I don’t mind 16:9 for a desktop. The displays are large enough now to have plenty of height. What I don’t care for is smaller notebooks (anything less than 15”) with 16:9 or any “widescreen” ratio for a reader device, like the iPad. I think Apple was very smart here even some say that 4:3 is “obsolete”. Those “widescreen” tablets and netbooks are simply murder for anything but watching video.

At first, when I heard the iPad was 1024x768, I was like, WTF APPLE???? Also I though the black border around the screen was way too big. Then, when I got my iPad, after just a few days, it all made sense. 16:9 netbooks are absolute garbage. Despite no Flash, etc., for a ton of daily tasks, the iPad is better than a netbook... IF you have another "main" desktop or laptop, IMO.

You should add another law... Which each additional post, divide the ~relevance to the topic~ by half.
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post #77 of 104
7/27/10 at 12:19am
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Originally Posted by coloredtoad View Post

I don't think there will be anything new tomorrow.Don't you think if they were updating 2 macs and a display that they would have some sort of event?? So if anything tomorrow is say a small speed bump and that's it.

It is possible the Mac Pro and 27" Cinema Display could be released, all just with a press release. I don't think iMac will happen at the same time as Mac Pro. This needs to be a clear pro/prosumer message in the midst of all the consumer stuff.
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post #78 of 104
7/27/10 at 12:24am
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How much of the supposedly extreme price increase of Apple Products in England is due to Apple and how much is due to the taxes required to maintain their lifestyle.

It's a killer combination of VAT (taxes), exchange rate (£ went down the toilet somewhat), and Apple. The first two more so than the third, I think.

And the VAT is going up to 20% I hear! Outrageous... But, hey, I have no idea what the heck is going on in the UK. Honestly, sorry to say, from my 2.5 months there (to be fair, I was in London), it doesn't seem to be a great place to be right now.
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post #79 of 104
7/27/10 at 1:15am
Hmmm.... my monitor is 2.5yrs old, I wonder if I can justify replacing it. Still works that's the problem. Apple's monitors sure are stylish though.

If there is a "Magic Trackpad," would they be so daring as to have it *instead* of a mouse? The first company to sell a (mass market) computer with a mouse (in the 80s), is the first to drop it?
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post #80 of 104
7/27/10 at 1:27am
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I can't find a 30" LED backlit panel by LG and they make basically all newer ips designs. Anyone can fact check this as even newer high end displays from nec and eizo are using LG panels. Samsung does have a 30" PVA LED backlit panel but I can't find any record of apple ever having used samsung panels. I'm waiting to see if they bring out new mac pros. My G5 was fine until support for it completely evaporated.
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