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The long-awaited update to Apple's Mac Pro desktop was announced Tuesday, with the new tower sporting up to 12 processing cores with Intel Xeon processors, making it up to 50 percent faster than its predecessor. The hardware arrives in August.

The new Mac Pro desktops feature the latest quad-core and 6-core Intel Xeon processors, all-new ATI graphics and the option for up to four 512GB solid state drives (SSD). The processors run at speeds up to 3.33GHz and use a single die design so they can share up to 12MB L3 cache, improving efficiency while increasing processing speeds.

"The new Mac Pro is the most powerful and configurable Mac we've ever made," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "With up to 12 cores, the new Mac Pro outperforms our previous top-of-the-line system by up to 50 percent, and with over a billion possible configurations, our customers can create exactly the system they want."

The systems include an integrated memory controller for faster memory bandwidth and reduced memory latency; Turbo Boost to dynamically boost processor speeds up to 3.6 GHz; and Hyper-Threading to create up to 24 virtual cores. The Mac Pro now comes with the ATI Radeon HD 5770 graphics processor with 1GB of memory and customers can configure-to-order the even faster ATI Radeon HD 5870 with 1GB of memory.



For the first time, Mac Pro customers have the option to order a 512GB SSD for the ultimate in reliability and lightning fast performance. With the ability to install up to four SSD drives in the system's internal drive bays, the new Mac Pro can provide ultra high-speed disk bandwidth and random disk performance, two times faster than the average performance of a standard disk drive.



Mac Pro also now features two Mini DisplayPorts and one dual-link DVI port. The additional Mini DisplayPort output allows customers to connect two LED Cinema Displays without an additional graphics card or adapter and the dual-link DVI port supports legacy DVI-based displays up to a resolution of 2560 x 1600 pixels.

Pricing & Availability

The new Mac Pro will be available in August through the Apple Store, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.

The new quad-core Mac Pro, with a suggested retail price of $2,499 (US), includes:
one 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon W3530 processor with 8MB of fully-shared L3 cache;
3GB of 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory, expandable up to 16GB;
ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB of GDDR5 memory;
two Mini DisplayPorts and one DVI (dual-link) port (adapters sold separately);
1TB Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive running at 7200 rpm;
18x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW);
four PCI Express 2.0 slots;
five USB 2.0 ports and four FireWire 800 ports;
AirPort Extreme® 802.11n;
Bluetooth 2.1+EDR; and
Apple Keyboard with numerical keypad and Magic Mouse.

The new 8-core Mac Pro, with a suggested retail price of $3,499 (US), includes:
two 2.4 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon E5620 processors with 12MB of fully-shared L3 cache per processor;
6GB of 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory, expandable up to 32GB;
ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB of GDDR5 memory;
two Mini DisplayPorts and one DVI (dual-link) port (adapters sold separately);
1TB Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive running at 7200 rpm;
18x SuperDrive with double-layer support (DVD+/-R DL/DVD+/-RW/CD-RW);
four PCI Express 2.0 slots;
five USB 2.0 ports and four FireWire 800 ports;
AirPort Extreme 802.11n;
Bluetooth 2.1+EDR; and
Apple Keyboard with numerical keypad and Magic Mouse.
Configure-to-order options include:
one 3.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon W3565 processor for the quad-core Mac Pro;
one 3.33 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon W3680 processor for the quad-core Mac Pro;
two 2.66 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon X5650 processors (12-cores) for the 8-core Mac Pro;
two 2.93 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon X5670 processors (12-cores) for the 8-core Mac Pro;
two ATI Radeon HD 5770 cards with 1GB of GDDR5 memory;
one ATI Radeon HD 5870 card with 1GB of GDDR5 memory;
up to 16GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory for the quad-core Mac Pro;
up to 32GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM memory for the 8-core Mac Pro;
up to four 512GB solid state drives (SSD); or
up to four 1TB or 2TB Serial ATA hard drives running at 7200 rpm;
Mac Pro RAID card;
dual-channel or quad-channel 4Gb Fibre Channel card; and
up to two 18x SuperDrives with double-layer support.



Accessories include: Magic Trackpad, Apple Battery Charger, wired Apple Mouse, wireless Apple Keyboard, Mini DisplayPort to DVI Adapter, Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter (for 30-inch DVI display), Mini DisplayPort to VGA Adapter, the AppleCare Protection Plan; and pre-installed copies of Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server; iWork, Logic Express 9, Final Cut Express 4 and Aperture 3. Complete options and accessories are available at www.apple.com/macpro.
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Where the hell did this come from? The Apple store hasn't updated the Mac Pro at all. Still shows quad and double quad Xeons.


http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Coming August. May want to mention that.
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Tuesday morning and all I can see on the Apple Store are the two Mac Pros that have been there for, well, ages. Quad-core and 8-core.

Maybe they're selling them internationally first, for a change
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Originally Posted by plovell View Post

Tuesday morning and all I can see on the Apple Store are the two Mac Pros that have been there for, well, ages. Quad-core and 8-core.

Maybe they're selling them internationally first, for a change

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

Says coming August
post #5 of 210
They are coming out in August.

BS on the price points and BS on the fact that it is still the same case as 6 years ago!
post #6 of 210
WTF?!?!

You can get a POS 4 core now for $2499
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12 core starting at $5000!?!?
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Anyone know when this is actually coming out - like WHAT DAY?
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Anyone know when this is actually coming out - like WHAT DAY?

"august"
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Lame! I've been waiting for months for the Mac Pro update. I guess I had hoped that the large amount of time between updates meant that something noteworthy would happen in the update. A hackintosh is looking more and more attractive.
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Sooo.... the rules are that the Apple Haters post first? Is that it?
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Originally Posted by sthenidas View Post

Lame! I've been waiting for months for the Mac Pro update. I guess I had hoped that the large amount of time between updates meant that something noteworthy would happen in the update. A hackintosh is looking more and more attractive.

How exactly is this lame?!?! You can now get up to 12 cores, better video, and SSDs straight from Apple. Of course, USB 3.0 would be nice, but what more were you looking for exactly?

Now, just as soon as I hit the Lotto I'll be able to order me one of these tricked out bad boys. Just imagine 12 cores and 2TB of SSD storage with 32GB of RAM and a top of the line video card.
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Interesting, no nvidia cards...
MBP (15, 2.33, 3GB,10.6/win/lin on 250GB)
MP (3,1 oct 2.8, 10GB. 10.6 on 4x1TB RAID10, Win/Lin on 1x2TB, 2407WFP on 1x5770 + 2xSamsung 910t on 1xGT120)
also a lot of other systems :-p
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MP (3,1 oct 2.8, 10GB. 10.6 on 4x1TB RAID10, Win/Lin on 1x2TB, 2407WFP on 1x5770 + 2xSamsung 910t on 1xGT120)
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post #14 of 210
That's one hell of a price increase.
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Originally Posted by svnipp View Post

How exactly is this lame?!?! You can now get up to 12 cores, better video, and SSDs straight from Apple. Of course, USB 3.0 would be nice, but what more were you looking for exactly?

Now, just as soon as I hit the Lotto I'll be able to order me one of these tricked out bad boys. Just imagine 12 cores and 2TB of SSD storage with 32GB of RAM and a top of the line video card.

Keep imagining. Because that's all you'll be doing until you win the 'Lotto.

£1995 for the base 'pro.'

:/

Lemon Bon Bon.

You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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You know, for a company that specializes in the video-graphics market, you'd think that they would offer top-of-the-line GPUs...

 

WITH THE NEW MAC PRO THEY FINALLY DID!  (But you bend over for it.)

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post #16 of 210
Try 7 years. 2003. And now it will be another year which makes 8 years.

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Originally Posted by KindredMac View Post

They are coming out in August.

BS on the price points and BS on the fact that it is still the same case as 6 years ago!
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Seems like a speed bump for entry level mac pro. Don't need SSD since I don't bounce my towers around. What do you get better for $2499. Read the promos. It sounds like they just came out with this form factor for the first time.
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I guess part of what we pay Apple to do is come up with new designs, but for their "workstation" computer, I guess I don't see the need. What glaring deficiency is there in the case design of the MacPro?

We can (and should) certainly debate about whether BluRay should be an option, whether they really are offering the best available graphics cards and so forth, but the case design seems darn-near perfect.

Built-in obsolescence is a feature of consumer-level devices and goods (think how dated the "old" iPods from three years ago look, or the white iMacs). I just don't see the need to change what is a very functional design for a professional level machine.
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To me everything looks great, except for the RAM. I usually try to not have very high expectations, but I couldn't help myself this time, so I was expecting it to support up to 128GB RAM - or at the very least 64GB. As there have been motherboards with support for 8 cores and 144GB RAM available for a long time now I expected Apple to support 8GB RAM modules, but apparently they only support 1GB, 2GB and 4GB modules. Anyone know why?

Hey, I'll be fine with support for up to 32GB RAM for quite some time, but I was hoping my purchase of a Mac Pro could be a seriously long-term investment. Maybe that's why Apple don't support more RAM at the moment.
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Seems like a speed bump for entry level mac pro. Don't need SSD since I don't bounce my towers around. What do you get better for $2499. Read the promos. It sounds like they just came out with this form factor for the first time.

About not bouncing your Mac around. You are aware, I assume that the SSD's are MUCH faster than a mechanical HD?
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Originally Posted by KindredMac View Post

They are coming out in August.

BS on the price points and BS on the fact that it is still the same case as 6 years ago!

It's a workstation machine, it's not very comparable to consumer systems.

It has a similar shell, but they've changed the inside, front and back a little bit on every update.

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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

12 core starting at $5000!?!?

HP's basic 12 core is $5600:

Z600 12 core

In my experience, HP's workstations are pretty well built too.

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Originally Posted by JoeDyndale View Post

To me everything looks great, except for the RAM. I usually try to not have very high expectations, but I couldn't help myself this time, so I was expecting it to support up to 128GB RAM - or at the very least 64GB. As there have been motherboards with support for 8 cores and 144GB RAM available for a long time now I expected Apple to support 8GB RAM modules, but apparently they only support 1GB, 2GB and 4GB modules. Anyone know why?

Hey, I'll be fine with support for up to 32GB RAM for quite some time, but I was hoping my purchase of a Mac Pro could be a seriously long-term investment. Maybe that's why Apple don't support more RAM at the moment.

Part of it is if there isn't a good supply of them, they have no way to validate them. A lot of times, you'll find that a Mac will work with larger sticks than they say the machine supports.
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Yes, I apologize. I really wanted a quad core for $1999 so I am getting hysterical. I'll be quiet now. The current box design has been superb since it came out, they just act like it is new in the promo. Really want one. I've been using minis and macbooks for years, hoping this summer to get a pro. Thanks.

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About not bouncing your Mac around. You are aware, I assume that the SSD's are MUCH faster than a mechanical HD?
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

About not bouncing your Mac around. You are aware, I assume that the SSD's are MUCH faster than a mechanical HD?

About 3 times faster for probably 10x as much.

But it's an option. Anyone that doesn't want one doesn't have to buy one.
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Lame! I've been waiting for months for the Mac Pro update. I guess I had hoped that the large amount of time between updates meant that something noteworthy would happen in the update. A hackintosh is looking more and more attractive.

Go for it. And when you find or build one that comes anywhere near half of what Apple introduced today, let me know. Shit. I don't think I could live long enough, even if
I was born yesterday.
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awesome. I was bit worried that the Mac Pro was being ignored.
faith is restored.
and so is my passion
oh, how I want and desire a 12 core Mac Pro.
oh please can I have one, I am sure my bank will not allow me to buy one, lol
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post #26 of 210
Have to say that I've been waiting for this update for quite awhile.

Unfortunately, my first reaction is "Meh...". After a 1.5 YEAR wait for an update, we finally get a slightly-better-than-utterly-nothing:

1) A slight CPU GHz bump (2.66 to 2.8 for the basic unit)
2) A slight HDD bump (640GB to 1 TB for the basic unit)
3) Option ($$) for 6-core CPUs (which IIRC weren't just released yesterday)
3) Option ($$) for SSD's ... which Enthusiasts have been adding on their own
4) Better video cards (with a second Mini DisplayPort)

What we didn't get:

a) Faster Firewire (or USB3)
b) A dedicated ("5th") SATA slot for an SSD
c) Any sort of a price break
d) More RAM slots for the single CPU configuration


Maybe I'll simply go buy a Mac mini as an interium "hold me over" from my G5 PowerMac at home. I've not been particularly impressed with the Mac Pro that I have at work, particularly since I have the recurring "lost your account" problem for which I have the SUDO RM /VAR/DB/DSLOCAL/NODES/DEFAULT/USERS/{user}.PLIST command that's use in Terminal to fix this ... physically taped onto the side of the machine.

-hh
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Maybe not what many had anticipated with no up grade to Firewire 1600 or 3200 or USB 3, but hope that since Apple is moving to SSD options in their iMacs and Mac Pro's, it would be nice if the next upgrade in OS X will support TRIM commands and address some of the issues that are found with SSDs.

SSD's have been available in the MBA and MBP's for sometime now.
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Sooo.... the rules are that the Apple Haters post first? Is that it?

I'm no Apple hater but I have to admit that if you want a high-powered desktop Mac, a hackintosh is indeed looking attractive now. I don't want/need one myself, but if I did I would weigh it as an option. You could easily save $1000 and not be stuck with the huge Mac Pro case. Those things are boat anchors--we have dozens of G5 towers sitting around here nobody wants because of their size. Meanwhile, lesser-powered G5 iMacs still get snatched up. \
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

About not bouncing your Mac around. You are aware, I assume that the SSD's are MUCH faster than a mechanical HD?

In fact, depending on what your specific usage is, the SSD upgrade can be the most significant performance item in your system. Obviously this opposite can also be true in that disk performance can be very insignificant. Personally, I have a Quad core Mac Pro right now and if someone offered me another processor for the system OR a 512MB SSD I would take the SSD. I however don't have any need for more processing cores, but the performance boost of the SSD would make a huge difference.

To each his own.
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mac pros are killer. I had the original quad when it came out, and despite all the yelling that it was overpriced and someone could get 'X' for a thousand less, it was the best computer I've even bought and lasted for years, until I needed to go portable. (of course i7 portables made that easier...)

What exactly do people want apple to do with this amazing case?
What I got... 15" i7 w/8 gigs ram,iPad2 64gig wifi, 2.0 mac mini, 2.0 17" imac, appleTv, Still running my old G4 466 upgraded to 1.2GHz maxed ram as a pro tools machine, and 2 iphones.
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What I got... 15" i7 w/8 gigs ram,iPad2 64gig wifi, 2.0 mac mini, 2.0 17" imac, appleTv, Still running my old G4 466 upgraded to 1.2GHz maxed ram as a pro tools machine, and 2 iphones.
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post #31 of 210
Wow, what a lame upgrade.

Slower chips in the quad, still only four ram slots. 4/8 ram slots in a triple channel system instead of 6/9. No faster USB, FW, or even esata.

Price increase on the eight core, for tiny improvements?

It's cool that they will have 12 core, but very expensive (although that's the case with PCs at that level as well), and the base models had barely any improvement at all (and a price bump). The quad was already outperformed by the top i7 and this does nothing to change that - it's kind of a joke that a "pro" machine at this price is clobbered by PCs that cost half as much.

Seriously, why doesn't apple just make the quad an i7 along with the matching components and get the same performance for WAY less?

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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Go for it. And when you find or build one that comes anywhere near half of what Apple introduced today, let me know. Shit. I don't think I could live long enough, even I was born yesterday.

I did that last fall. Blew away the base MP then and looks like it will easily blow away the new base model. And the six ram slots are nice too.
post #32 of 210
24 hardware threads!

I can see the SSD option spawning many threads in future with people asking the best combination of SSDs and HDs to buy
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

It's a workstation machine, it's not very comparable to consumer systems.

The Mac Pro was very good value when it was first introduced and has become progressively worse value as time has progressed (especially compared to the iMac). A 1-bin speed bump and last years graphics at the same price is what we get for waiting 1.5 years?
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Originally Posted by Zandros View Post

The Mac Pro was very good value when it was first introduced and has become progressively worse value as time has progressed (especially compared to the iMac). A 1-bin speed bump and last years graphics at the same price is what we get for waiting 1.5 years?

And in the case of the eight core, those modest improvements with a $200 price INCREASE.
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Originally Posted by Damn_Its_Hot View Post

About not bouncing your Mac around. You are aware, I assume that the SSD's are MUCH faster than a mechanical HD?

It doesn't sound like he knows. I put a SSD drive into my 2006 Macbook and it really made it seem like a new computer! Boot time - 8 seconds. Programs launch immediately. SSD is a great option for a pro machine.
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Originally Posted by Groovetube View Post

mac pros are killer. I had the original quad when it came out, and despite all the yelling that it was overpriced and someone could get 'X' for a thousand less, it was the best computer I've even bought and lasted for years, until I needed to go portable. (of course i7 portables made that easier...)

What exactly do people want apple to do with this amazing case?

I think the case is great. so comfortable to change RAM, hard discs etc. I really hope they keep this design for the years to come. Something perfect doesn't need to be changed.
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The one case improvement I'd like to see is more options for users to mount SSD since they are generally 2.5 drives.

They should be able to add a couple extra mini bays for those somewhere. Or at the very least, include a couple special drive sleds that hold two SSD each.
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I already answered that. I get it. Fast but expensive.

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It doesn't sound like he knows. I put a SSD drive into my 2006 Macbook and it really made it seem like a new computer! Boot time - 8 seconds. Programs launch immediately. SSD is a great option for a pro machine.
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In fact, depending on what your specific usage is, the SSD upgrade can be the most significant performance item in your system.

Yes indeed, although I wish there were an option for a smaller and less pricey SSD. As is common in group professional environments, we keep all working files on our server. Local storage is only for the system, applications and some scratch storage. My guys could easily manage with <100GB SSDs in their workstations, and aftermarket units in that sort of size go for $200-ish.

Of course there's nothing to stop us from adding a relatively inexpensive 80-100GB boot SSD and keeping the original HD for backup use. However Mac support for third party SSDs is incomplete at present (no TRIM...or have they added that now?) and people have reported being unable to install the OS directly to the SSD (clone from the HD instead).
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Originally Posted by svnipp View Post

How exactly is this lame?!?! You can now get up to 12 cores, better video, and SSDs straight from Apple. Of course, USB 3.0 would be nice, but what more were you looking for exactly?

Now, just as soon as I hit the Lotto I'll be able to order me one of these tricked out bad boys. Just imagine 12 cores and 2TB of SSD storage with 32GB of RAM and a top of the line video card.

It's _not_ a bad boy at all, that's the problem. This is not a gaming machine, it's a serious workstation for high-end applications. Apple's been so long getting this out, and it's coming out with enthusiast class chips, not workstation/server chips - by now, it should have the Nehalem-EX 8-core chips in it, not measly i7s.
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