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I emailed Steve last December about how I loved my new iMac 27" and the wireless keyboard and mouse but that it was a pain to have 2 things on my desk instead of one. I told him it would be great to have a wireless keyboard/trackpad.

Now if they could just attach the 2 it would be perfect.

Just apply a bit of crazy glue and butt them up against each other.
post #42 of 144
I think this is an amazing device. It will take a bit of time, but if they do offer it either/or as a mouse replacement with new systems, it might take off faster. There have been times when I use my MBP that i with my desktop did as well, like pinch/zoom, scroll, forward and back swiping.

That being said, here's a couple things they need to have done better:

1. click and drag, still better with a mouse
2. highlighting text, much faster with a mouse
3. not a Waacom Replacement, yet...no stylus use...not holding my breath, but do wish Apple made a stylus.
4. Gaming still better with a mouse, scratch that, still better with an Xbox USB controller.

Of course they'll probably improve it over the coming years, since it seems to be entirely controlled through it's software and the hardware seems to do very little work. I can definitely see a revolution here.

Now if they could take the forward/back swipe and put that in the iOS4, that would be great!
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3. not a Waacom Replacement, yet...no stylus use...not holding my breath, but do wish Apple made a stylus.

Teh Steve hates styluses (stylii?)...

Even still, this would have to be a lot larger to even begin to think about replacing my Wacom.

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post #44 of 144
This isn't impressive at all. What would be impressive is a way to track the movements without even having to touch the surface.
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Originally Posted by roylee View Post

Was hoping this came out with the revamped Apple TV with iOS. This would be perfect for controlling that from the couch.

If they do release a new aTV with iOS4, it will be during the typical September iPod event. They seem to lump the aTV in with the iPods.
post #46 of 144
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Originally Posted by ElmCityWeb View Post

I wonder how popular this device will become. There will be some people who find it useful, but I can't help but think there are a lot more people who won't find a need for it.

Then I guess they won't buy it?
post #47 of 144
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

Are you talking about for the AppleTV? Why not just use the remote app for the iPhone?

Not everyone has an iPhone/Touch.
post #48 of 144
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

I hope it works better than the magic mouse. Mine only kept it's 'magic' capabilities for a week or so. This is a common issue with the iMac + magic mouse.

I think you're generalizing your experience.
I've found it to be a great mouse (for what its designed to do), and I don't see any evidence of general problems on the Mac Forums.
post #49 of 144
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Originally Posted by Walney View Post

Hmmm... quite tempted, but I do object to paying more than for a keyboard or magic mouse (silly me - if you live in Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Netherlands, France, Germany, US, Mexico, Japan or Australia you will pay exactly the same for any of them... just not here)

Swings & roundabouts; the trackpad is £1.32 more in the UK than it is in the Eurozone countries but the Magic Mouse and wireless keyboard are £1.68 cheaper here; none of these differences are exactly life changing
post #50 of 144
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Teh Steve hates styluses (stylii?)...

Even still, this would have to be a lot larger to even begin to think about replacing my Wacom.

yeah, i've read on many accounts that Steve hate's the stylus. And, it is a bit small for a Wacom Replacement, and artists and designers are a niche industry for Apple to develop a technology specifically for them...but there are other uses for a stylus that could be very handy, like handwriting and sketching for architects, engineers, graphic designers, students. A stylus would be very handy for making mark-ups in Acrobat and MS Word, etc...
post #51 of 144
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

That's it? Fingerworks' iGesture pad from almost ten years ago did a heck of a lot more than that. ... Damn you, Apple, how could you buy such a powerful portfolio of technology and water it down so much?

Because they are Apple. This trackpad is pretty lame. They make the worst input devices.

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they also brought out this accessory http://www.apple.com/battery-charger/

WTF? an overpriced Apple charger. More "eco" than everyone else's? That's idiotic. Good/ cheap battery chargers have been around for at least 10 years as well. A $30 AA battery only charger? Color me unimpressed.

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Originally Posted by jacob1varghese View Post

I think this could actually be the perfect remote for couch surfing/navigating of your mac or apple tv.
It depends on if/when Apple will build onscreen keyboards that will work with this trackpad.

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Originally Posted by iGuessSo View Post

Apple TV running iOS4 + Magic Trackpad. Sign me up.

How is a smooth trackpad with no touch feedback or visual information going to work as a remote? Have you ever bothered to observe how remotes are used? By touch and sight. I don't see how this could possibly be a good remote. Even Apple's own remote app requires some visual input, even if it has no touch feedback. What if the monitor isn't on and you want to change music? Or you're in another room and need to change libraries or turn off something you don't want the kids to watch? How are you going to use a trackpad then? Obviously these are comments by people who have never used a central home entertainment system. Stupid idea to use a trackpad.

I would prefer the remote be an ipad or ipod or iphone device any day. Think about it, for the same price as a harmony remote you could have a killer remote out of an Ipod touch + remote app. If they upgrade the remote app all the better. personally I'd like to see cover flow for starters and I'd like to see it work as a game controller should the TV ever support games, add a web browser or Apps and the virtual keyboard becomes even more useful than just entering search parameters.

Bottom line, A trackpad remote is USELESS!
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post #52 of 144
awesome. I love the trackpad on my new mbp, I'll lose the magic mouse in a heartbeat for this.
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post #53 of 144
The limitations of the magic mouse are not hardware but apple software based. There are a number of 3rd party apps that allow you to extend the magic mouse gestures extensively. I agree that the apparent loss of the 3rd button function from the mighty mouse was almost painful, but once I found Better Touch Tool, I added it and several other gestures that I felt I could use. After trying out several gestures for expose, I settled on a tap just forward of the apple logo. I also added gestures to close a window, minimize a window, and activate dashboard. I could still add dozens more, but there is a point where remembering the gesture, especially if seldom used, is not worth the effort.

Also, as Better Touch Tool allows new gestures for the MBP multitouch pad, I suspect that it will do the same for the new magic touch pad. BTW, I have not connection to the author of BBT other than a user.

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post #54 of 144
This thing is begging to be the "remote" for a next-gen iOS-based Apple TV, and I find it unlikely that Apple would release a device like this without it fitting into some larger strategy. I mean, are there ANY iMac/Mac Pro owners who have been clamoring for something like this? On the other hand, I can already picture sitting back on the couch with this in my lap, using it to quickly navigate through an Apple TV interface... though text-based search would still be a pain - they should follow Boxee's lead and make an iOS app for that.
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post #55 of 144
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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

yeah, i've read on many accounts that Steve hate's the stylus. And, it is a bit small for a Wacom Replacement, and artists and designers are a niche industry for Apple to develop a technology specifically for them...but there are other uses for a stylus that could be very handy, like handwriting and sketching for architects, engineers, graphic designers, students. A stylus would be very handy for making mark-ups in Acrobat and MS Word, etc...

Oh, I don't disagree with you. But that's why I finally broke down and bought an intuos4. And there are lesser priced/lesser featured options from Wacom that also work well with Macs. As much as it might make sense for Apple to move into that space, I finally figured I might as well just buy a solution from the company that makes these as their main business. (And it looks like I guessed right.)

Still, I'm definitely buying the new trackpad, for normal "mousing".

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post #56 of 144
Trackpad and charger already ordered!
post #57 of 144
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Originally Posted by chronster View Post

This isn't impressive at all. What would be impressive is a way to track the movements without even having to touch the surface.

Why don't you design, then make one, and sell it?
post #58 of 144
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Oh, I don't disagree with you. But that's why I finally broke down and bought an intuos4. And there are lesser priced/lesser featured options from Wacom that also work well with Macs. As much as it might make sense for Apple to move into that space, I finally figured I might as well just buy a solution from the company that makes these as their main business. (And it looks like I guessed right.)

Still, I'm definitely buying the new trackpad, for normal "mousing".

Agreed. I was so excited when i saw this leaked a few months ago, and i really want to buy one, but i'm still a lowly PC user and the website specifically states you must be running a Mac with OSX.
post #59 of 144
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Why don't you design, then make one, and sell it?

Well, if he could do it, it wouldn't be impressive.
post #60 of 144
I'm glad I held off on purchasing a Mac Mini. I'll get this instead of the Magic Mouse and comlete my HDTV set up. With a wireless keyboard and trackpad using an HDTV set up is now ideal.
post #61 of 144
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

WTF? an overpriced Apple charger. More "eco" than everyone else's? That's idiotic. Good/ cheap battery chargers have been around for at least 10 years as well. A $30 AA battery only charger? Color me unimpressed.

Typical Apple, they are trying to capture a niche (i.e. "green" AA batteries) for the people who care about "green" issues. And, no surprise, there's a good bit of margin there despite there being some competition in that space. This isn't just about the batteries, but about the power draw when a charger is left plugged in after the batteries are charged.

Everyone else will buy AA batteries in 24-packs or the "good/cheap" rechargeables that die after a dozen or two charge cycles and draw vampire power as they are left plugged in for days/weeks/months. Apple knows that, they aren't after total marketshare, they want niche marketshare where margins are good and the marketing story is compelling, esp. combined with other green initiatives in the product line.

At the end of the day, this is more about about PR and selling themselves as an eco-friendly company than it is about "batteries". IMO, It's a pretty smart move even if they only sell a dozen of these chargers (and I predict they'll sell a million of these chargers).

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post #62 of 144
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Agreed. I was so excited when i saw this leaked a few months ago, and i really want to buy one, but i'm still a lowly PC user and the website specifically states you must be running a Mac with OSX.

I didn't notice that these were Mac only...

You can get a refurb mini from a generation back for around four benjamins.

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post #63 of 144
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I think this could actually be the perfect remote for couch surfing/navigating of your mac or apple tv.

It depends on if/when Apple will build onscreen keyboards that will work with this trackpad.

This was what I was thinking a cool way to control my macmini from my bed when I'm watching video and stuff. The mouse requires so much space and a flat surface most timed
post #64 of 144
Love the Apple charger...can see why Apple changed the BT keyboard from 3 AA batteries to two!

Will be replacing my current battery charger and buying the track pad and may even put my magic mouse in a draw!

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post #65 of 144
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

That's what people said about te iPad

Well put, every time Apple releases a new product there has to be the comments about it being a flop or no news or whatever.

I was one who thought the iPad was going to be a miss, boy was I horribly wrong! I know now, don't doubt Apple, more than likely they have done the market research and know what they are doing.
post #66 of 144
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Love the Apple charger...can see why Apple changed the BT keyboard from 3 AA batteries to two!

Will be replacing my current battery charger and buying the track pad and may even put my magic mouse in a draw!

Best

You can send me the magic mouse, I'll take it off your hands!
post #67 of 144
I am easently surprised by the battery charger. A duracell 4 place smart charger with 4 slow self discharge batterys retails around $30 (us dollars).

Nce design and price Apple.
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post #68 of 144
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Originally Posted by hezetation View Post

You can send me the magic mouse, I'll take it off your hands!

Is that what they call, 'recycling?'
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Originally Posted by christopher126 View Post

Is that what they call, 'recycling?'

Hey, if helping the environment gets me a free magic mouse, WIN WIN!
post #70 of 144
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Originally Posted by jacob1varghese View Post

Sometimes you need a mouse/trackpad. I don't want to be lying on the couch with two input devices.

A full keyboard on the couch is overkill for the minimal amount of typing that you'll be doing.

You probably could use the track pad for text input. Go to Settings > International > Show Character Viewer. Go to the top right menu bar to choose on screen keyboard. Then use track pad to select characters for text input on the on screen keyboard.

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post #71 of 144
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Originally Posted by jacob1varghese;

Sometimes you need a mouse/trackpad. I don't want to be lying on the couch with two input devices.

A full keyboard on the couch is overkill for the minimal amount of typing that you'll be doing.

Surely they have to be some wifi or bluetith remotes for the Mac that use the iPad as an input, right? Heads up anyone? These will manage to adapt and control software with a minimal intuitive interface, so, are they any out yet?
post #72 of 144
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

I didn't notice that these were Mac only...

You can get a refurb mini from a generation back for around four benjamins.

had I not just purchased a computer 2 years ago that will last me probably another 3 years, then i would have jumped all over the new mac mini.
post #73 of 144
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Originally Posted by sandau View Post

I hope it works better than the magic mouse. Mine only kept it's 'magic' capabilities for a week or so. This is a common issue with the iMac + magic mouse.

So have you returned your magic mouse for a replacement then? No issues here, but if there were it would go straight back - I've not heard anyone else talk about features of the mouse suddenly stopping?
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

Because they are Apple. This trackpad is pretty lame. They make the worst input devices.



WTF? an overpriced Apple charger. More "eco" than everyone else's? That's idiotic. Good/ cheap battery chargers have been around for at least 10 years as well. A $30 AA battery only charger? Color me unimpressed.





How is a smooth trackpad with no touch feedback or visual information going to work as a remote? Have you ever bothered to observe how remotes are used? By touch and sight. I don't see how this could possibly be a good remote. Even Apple's own remote app requires some visual input, even if it has no touch feedback. What if the monitor isn't on and you want to change music? Or you're in another room and need to change libraries or turn off something you don't want the kids to watch? How are you going to use a trackpad then? Obviously these are comments by people who have never used a central home entertainment system. Stupid idea to use a trackpad.

I would prefer the remote be an ipad or ipod or iphone device any day. Think about it, for the same price as a harmony remote you could have a killer remote out of an Ipod touch + remote app. If they upgrade the remote app all the better. personally I'd like to see cover flow for starters and I'd like to see it work as a game controller should the TV ever support games, add a web browser or Apps and the virtual keyboard becomes even more useful than just entering search parameters.

Bottom line, A trackpad remote is USELESS!


That's quite a pair of blinkers you're wearing there.

The eco claims for the charger seem sound and the price is only a few pounds more than similar quality chargers I've recently been looking at.

I'd happily use the trackpad to control the apple tv/mac mini across the room - of course it would work- just think outside the box. If the interface is on the screen and all you need to do is point, then it works. Simples.
post #76 of 144
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Typical Apple, they are trying to capture a niche (i.e. "green" AA batteries) for the people who care about "green" issues. And, no surprise, there's a good bit of margin there despite there being some competition in that space. This isn't just about the batteries, but about the power draw when a charger is left plugged in after the batteries are charged.

Everyone else will buy AA batteries in 24-packs or the "good/cheap" rechargeables that die after a dozen or two charge cycles and draw vampire power as they are left plugged in for days/weeks/months. Apple knows that, they aren't after total marketshare, they want niche marketshare where margins are good and the marketing story is compelling, esp. combined with other green initiatives in the product line.

At the end of the day, this is more about about PR and selling themselves as an eco-friendly company than it is about "batteries". IMO, It's a pretty smart move even if they only sell a dozen of these chargers (and I predict they'll sell a million of these chargers).

Apple aren't claiming the batteries are any greener than any other, they're stating the charger uses less electricity than many of its rivals. "Green" AA batteries aren't a niche market, AA batteries are the most common battery out there and everyone wants to at least be seen to be more eco-friendly, so it's a big market. Nevertheless, Apple make no claims at all about these batteries being 'greener' than anyone elses, all that is mentioned is the "vampire" power solution...

"The Apple Battery Charger has the lowest vampire draw of any similar charger on the market. Thats the energy that most chargers continue to draw even after their batteries are done charging. Unlike other chargers, the Apple Battery Charger senses when a battery charge cycle is complete and automatically reduces the amount of power it uses to 30 milliwatts more than 10 times better than the industry average."

post #77 of 144
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

Because they are Apple. This trackpad is pretty lame. They make the worst input devices.

Personally speaking, the apple keyboard is the best built, nicest typing experience I've ever had. The magic mouse is superb and the trackpad exactly what I've been waiting for - ordered and can't wait to experience it. If I don't like it, or it develops a fault, I'll return it. Apple make superb input devices. Only fail I've ever come across being the 'hockey-puck' mouse, which was terrible.
post #78 of 144
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

they also brought out this accessory http://www.apple.com/battery-charger/

Thank goodness! The first Apple product I can order immediately (still using Windows).
post #79 of 144
I would have bought a numeric pad, if they brought it out...
post #80 of 144
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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

How is a smooth trackpad with no touch feedback or visual information going to work as a remote? Have you ever bothered to observe how remotes are used? By touch and sight. I don't see how this could possibly be a good remote.

You need textile feel when you are working with multiple buttons. When you have a multitouch surface you don't need to feel anything, just need to remember the right gestures.

It would be good if Apple offered like a 4 finger triple tap that just displayed a little gesture chart, in case you needed it.
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