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I clicked.... I opened my mind.....I read.....

.....as far as the first sentence where those doom-laden accursed words that should never be uttered in any intellectual discourse and which render any rational discussion null and void:

Ayn Fucking Rand.

Huh? Is that as far as you read? Did you read enough to realize that she was merely mentioned in this context:

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Sometimes a single book or even a short cogent essay can change an individual's entire outlook on life. For Christians, it is the New Testament. For radical socialists, Karl Marx' and Friedrich Engels' The Communist Manifesto is revolutionary. For libertarians, Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged is pivotal. For economists, Ludwig von Mises' Human Action can be mind-changing.

Did you read beyond that?

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post #162 of 361
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Huh? Is that as far as you read? Did you read enough to realize that she was merely mentioned in this context:

Did you read beyond that?

Currently am doing but I needed a moment....

It's kind of like if I ask someone to click a link on quantum physics and there's a reference to Christine O'Donnell's perspective in the first para.

Kind of makes it tough but I'm persevering......
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post #163 of 361
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Currently am doing but I needed a moment....

It's kind of like if I ask someone to click a link on quantum physics and there's a reference to Christine O'Donnell's perspective in the first para.

Kind of makes it tough but I'm persevering......

If it helps, I don't think the essay is particularly Randian. I was just so surprised to see that reaction, especially given the context in which she is mentioned.

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If it helps, I don't think the essay is particularly Randian. I was just so surprised to see that reaction, especially given the context in which she is mentioned.

It was Pavlovian. We are all conditioned...it just depends how.

Which brings me to my major criticism of that article - which I agree with in large parts - we already live in such a society. People are persuaded (ie brainwashed) every second of every day.

And it's bad.

Because the power is vested in the 'persuaders' - and this is always the Govt. I would have thought that the ideal situation was no persuasion at all but loose groups of free-thinking individuals who join together for common purpose and to achieve certain goals.

However, in a bigger picture which to be fair the article probably meant (though it is old - 1991 is a long time ago, things were different then) that persuasion works where force doesn't. I agree with this.

The bit on drugs I could not agree with more....no-one ever asks why people take them.

I have an example you might like from Afghanistan before the Russian invasion - then, under village Islamic law, if somebody stole something the court decided between two things:

1) Were they insane

2) Were they stealing for survival

There were no other options - stealing for 'fun' was classed under the first category for example.

If they were found insane they were acquitted. If they were stealing for survival - say food or something to sell to get food - then the entire village was fined.

The idea was that in an Islamic society there could not be a situation where people would let someone starve or get into the position where they needed to steal. If it happened then the society had failed - the 'sin' was theirs not the thiefs.

This seems somehow connected to the idea of the questioning of 'why' people take drugs and who should be punished for it.

Btw - the North Whitehead reference is interesting - have you heard of Process Theology ?
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post #166 of 361
Incredible stuff being done by Joel Salatin:

Polyface Farm, Part 1
Polyface Farm, Part 2
Polyface Farm, Part 3

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post #167 of 361
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Incredible stuff being done by Joel Salatin:

Polyface Farm, Part 1
Polyface Farm, Part 2
Polyface Farm, Part 3

Friend of mine from high school owns his own butcher shop in Va and gets PolyFace meats. I'd love to try it some day.
post #168 of 361
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Friend of mine from high school owns his own butcher shop in Va and gets PolyFace meats. I'd love to try it some day.

Overall it sounds pretty good. We're too far away, but looking for similar stuff near we live. We have tried some local grass fed beef and it's pretty good. Much better for you too.

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post #170 of 361
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Sometimes it seems that the beau ideal of many conservatives, as well as of many liberals, is to put everyone into a cage and coerce him into doing what the conservatives or liberals believe to be the moral thing. They would of course be differently styled cages, but they would be cages just the same. The conservative would ban illicit sex, drugs, gambling, and impiety, and coerce everyone to act according to his version of moral and religious behavior. The liberal would ban films of violence, unesthetic advertising, football, and racial discrimination, and, at the extreme, place everyone in a “Skinner box” to be run by a supposedly benevolent liberal dictator. But the effect would be the same: to reduce everyone to a subhuman level and to deprive everyone of the most precious part of his or her humanity — the freedom to choose.

The irony, of course, is that by forcing men to be "moral" — i.e., to act morally — the conservative or liberal jailkeepers would in reality deprive men of the very possibility of being moral. The concept of "morality" makes no sense unless the moral act is freely chosen. Suppose, for example, that someone is a devout Muslim who is anxious to have as many people as possible bow to Mecca three times a day; to him let us suppose this is the highest moral act. But if he wields coercion to force everyone to bow to Mecca, he is thereby depriving everyone of the opportunity to be moral — to choose freely to bow to Mecca. Coercion deprives a man of the freedom to choose and, therefore, of the possibility of choosing morally.

The libertarian, in contrast to so many conservatives and liberals, does not want to place man in any cage. What he wants for everyone is freedom, the freedom to act morally or immorally, as each man shall decide.

Murray N. Rothbard, For a New Liberty: The Libertarian Manifesto

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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post #172 of 361
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Monty Python, Dennis Moore- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w
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post #173 of 361
Federal Judge Prohibits Prayer at Texas Graduation Ceremony

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A federal judge has ordered a Texas school district to prohibit public prayer at a high school graduation ceremony.

Chief U.S. District Judge Fred Biery’s order against the Medina Valley Independent School District also forbids students from using specific religious words including “prayer” and “amen.”

The ruling was in response to a lawsuit filed by Christa and Danny Schultz. Their son is among those scheduled to participate in Saturday’s graduation ceremony. The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would “suffer irreparable harm” if anyone prayed at the ceremony.

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post #174 of 361
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The judge declared that the Schultz family and their son would suffer irreparable harm if anyone prayed at the ceremony.

I suppose it depends on what people were praying for.

And the world gets more ridiculous by the day.

I wonder if we could apply this "irreparable harm" standard to others forms of expression and speech. For example, when Barack Obama opens his mouth...

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post #175 of 361
Seriously, this reminds me of the Knights Who Say: "NEE!" from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I can just imagine someone running around at the graduation ceremony saying "PRAYER!" and "AMEN!" and people writhing in fear and pain.

"Irreparable harm"? Really?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo

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post #176 of 361
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Seriously, this reminds me of the Knights Who Say: "NEE!" from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

I can just imagine someone running around at the graduation ceremony saying "PRAYER!" and "AMEN!" and people writhing in fear and pain.

OK...you seriously need to come over here and clean the Coke off my laptop screen.

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post #177 of 361
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OK...you seriously need to come over here and clean the Coke off my laptop screen.



I mean seriously? Is it not just as absurd as the movie?

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post #178 of 361
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I mean seriously? Is it not just as absurd as the movie?

First of all they don't say Nee, it is Ni. And thus your entire argument has suffered irreparable harm and cannot be considered any longer.
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post #179 of 361
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First of all they don't say Nee, it is Ni. And thus your entire argument has suffered irreparable harm and cannot be considered any longer.

BR? Is that you?

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post #180 of 361
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BR? Is that you?

Sorry, couldn't resist. Was not trying to channel any particular person though. just a general mindset.
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post #181 of 361
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Sorry, couldn't resist. Was not trying to channel any particular person though. just a general mindset.

Of course.

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post #182 of 361
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Of course.

Good news, the ruling was reversed.

Sanity prevails once again.
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post #183 of 361
Theatre of the Absurd:

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In todays 3pm hour you reported on the pilgrimage (your reporters word) that many Americans make every summer to DC to witness democracy in action first hand.

Your reporters reverential tone implies that tourists to DC behold here something hallowed. I disagree. Too much of what tourists to DC witness first hand is theater marble and monuments meant to mobilize the spirit; buildings and boulevards built to bedazzle; ceremonies and celebrations suggesting the sacred. But behind it all are venal politicians grasping for more power and hoping that the stage-props scattered about DC will dupe ordinary people to buy into the ridiculous notion that government officials are saints whose genius is matched only by their grand goodwill.

In fact its mostly fraudulent the gaudy ornaments of the power-hungry hungrily and cynically enchanting their victims with the illusion of earthly salvation by flesh-and-blood saints. As dramatist David Mamet writes in his new book The Secret Knowledge, Having spent my life in the theatre, I knew that people could be formed into an audience, that is, a group which surrenders for two hours, part of its rationality, in order to enjoy an illusion. As I began reading and thinking about politics I saw, to my horror, how easily people could also assemble themselves into a mob, which would either attract or be called into being by those who profited from the surrender of reason and liberty and these people are called politicians.*

DC is a stage on which the greedy fool credulous audiences into self-destructive subservience.

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I've posted this before but it's still very relevant-

"The explosive that nearly brought down Northwest Airlines flight 253 is extremely powerful, allowing terrorists to use only small quantities to cause enormous damage. And the colourless crystals of the substance, PETN or pentaerythritol trinitrate, are hard to detect if carried in a sealed container.

Richard Reid, the "shoe bomber", tried to set off a PETN device on an American Airlines jet to Miami in 2001 and this summer a man tried to assassinate a member of the Saudi royal family after evading security detectors by hiding a PETN-based bomb inside his body.

"If you can lay your hands on a reliable source, it would be the explosive of choice," said Hans Michels, an explosives expert at Imperial College, London. A little more than 100g of PETN could destroy a car.

The device allegedly used by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab involved a syringe and a soft plastic container filled, reportedly, with 80g of PETN. The remnants of the bomb are being analysed in an FBI laboratory.

PETN is relatively stable and is detonated either by heat or a shockwave. It is possible that the suspect used a syringe that was converted into an electrical detonator, but more likely the syringe was filled with nitroglycerin.

Abdulmutallab was in a window seat, 19A, and allegedly had the device strapped to his left leg, against the body of the plane. The idea was almost certainly to blow a hole at much higher altitude, so that the decompression would tear the aircraft apart.

"There was almost certainly a failure between the primary and the main charge that meant the PETN did not fully detonate. If it had, the plane might have limped home because it was already quite low," Michels said.

If the syringe used a liquid detonator, such as nitroglycerin, the device would have been extremely hard to detect through the usual airport security measures. Abdulmutallab cleared security in Lagos and Amsterdam after passing through a metal detector and having had x-rays of his hand-luggage.

Michels said that even more advanced security measures, such as machines that "sniff" passengers for explosives or analyse swabs of their clothes and belongings, might not have spotted the device."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...rate-explosive
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"Ascot regulars were stunned on Thursday after a drunken brawl broke out during Ladies' Day.

The fight was captured on camera, with around six men throwing punches and one even appearing to use a chair leg to strike a fellow racegoer.

No arrests were made after the scrap, which took place beside the Victorian bandstand beside a champagne bar. It is not known what started the fracas, although one witness said it may have been after one man was insulted by another.

"I can remember one guy just kept going, 'Are you mugging me off?'" Sophie Healy, 25, told the Metro.

"The tone of his voice was really aggressive and then they started pushing and shoving. We got out of the way and then suddenly our table with a newly-bought bottle of champagne went flying.

"Things turned really nasty with one man wielding a broken chair leg and another had a bottle of champagne.

"They were biting and kicking each other. It was quite scary."

Ladies' Day is normally associated with refinement and glamour, however some preservers of British tradition are concerned Royal Ascot as a whole may be becoming less exclusive.

The Daily Mail wrote that Ascot has been the "highlight of the summer calendar for the well-off and well-connected" for 300 years.

However the paper warned that this reign may be coming to an end with the event now attracting "a much less distinguished breed of racegoer".

"A quick glance across the terraces reveals a sea of flesh and unsightly tattoos of women in cheap, tawdry dresses and men who have shunned the expected top hat," the paper lamented."
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011...ht-royal-ascot
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post #187 of 361
Today is the 40th anniversary of President Nixon declaring war on peaceful people who choose to use, produce or sell intoxicants that the government disapproves of (a.k.a. "war on drugs".)



And former President Carter calls for an end to it.

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post #188 of 361
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Every so often I check in on my old town, Baltimore-

"Every Baltimore resident has a rat story.

Marc J. Camarote, a Baltimore police sergeant, has a tale for the tabloids.

Early Wednesday, the 15-year veteran was riding shotgun in an unmarked cruiser, speeding down Hanover Street to a robbery call in South Baltimore. He felt something on the back of his neck, and thinking his partner was playing a joke, he took a swipe with his arm.

That's when he discovered a large rodent had crawled up his back.

The rat bit the palm and thumb of Camarote's right hand. The two struggled, and the sergeant was finally able to throw the rat out of cruiser and onto the southbound lanes of the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial Bridge.

His partner rushed to nearby Harbor Hospital, and they were told they needed to go back and find the rat, to have it tested for rabies. They returned to the scene of the crime, and according to a well-placed police source, found the suspected rat limping along Hanover Street.

A struggle ensued, the police source said, but in the end, Baltimore's Finest won the battle. A cop beat the rat to death with an umbrella. Must not have been carrying his Espantoon.

The officers bagged the rodent and it's being tested for disease. The sergeant is out on medical leave, awaiting to see if the rat is diseased."
~ http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...try_rat_b.html
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post #189 of 361
^^^ Another example of how we attract what we are.

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^^^ Another example of how we attract what we are.



At least in the US you can buy your way out of trouble. It's not right at all, but I confess to taking advantage of it. Saved the taxpayer you'll be glad to know though.
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Extremism Is the New Race Card:

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There was a time in American politics when the race card was an effective Establishment strategy against arguments it could not refute logically. Regardless of how unrelated an issue may have been to race, the Establishment would try to make a connection in order to avoid confronting the troublesome argument. Alternatively, they might completely ignore the issue at hand and simply present evidence that the proponent himself was racist. So distasteful is racism to most Americans that the mere suggestion that a politician might be racist was enough to condemn any idea, policy, or position he might take, whatever its merits.

Today, that is no longer true. While hardcore liberals still try to use the race card to discredit anyone who opposes their policy positions, it is apparent that it no longer resonates with average Americans. It was always a strategy with a limited shelf life. Besides, it is only effective for one half of the Establishment. If the race card sounds hollow and timeworn coming out of the mouths of liberals, it sounds downright ridiculous when employed by conservatives.

Besides, the entire ruling Establishment is in trouble. Their welfare-warfare state is coming apart at the seams. While the blue team and the red team will continue to fight with each other, they both realize that average Americans are becoming more open to hearing from candidates who refuse to put on either jersey. Something must be done to stifle any reasonable consideration of these unapproved ideas. The Establishment needs a new pocket ad hominem, one that can be used by conservatives or liberals.

Extremism has filled the void. Extremist is a word that elicits an immediate emotional response. Thanks to the all-out propaganda campaign against extremism, average Americans immediately associate the word with images of bomb-laden Muslim terrorists or McVeigh-like militia types, both apocalyptic threats to all of humanity. The moment an argument is made that departs from the status quo, the tag of extremism is applied to its author in the attempt to deflect attention away from the argument.

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Extremism Is the New Race Card:

Please note: although "extremism" is the new race card, I reserve the right to call Barack Obama a “socialist”, a “Marxist” and a “communist.”



MJ1970. Stop whining and blow your hypocrisy out your arse.
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The Warmongers Lexicon:

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Just war: any war the United States engages in.
Good war: any war in which the United States is on the winning side.
Defensive war: any war the United States starts.

George Bush: the Messiah, but especially when he was fighting against Muslims.
Barack Obama: Satan, but not when he is fighting against Muslims.

Insurgent: anyone who dares to fight against U.S. troops occupying his country.
Militant: see insurgent.
Enemy combatant: see militant.
Freedom fighter: an insurgent, militant, or enemy combatant supported by the United States when he fights against some other country.

Weapons of mass destruction: weapons that foreigners can use to attack Americans.
Advanced weapons systems: weapons that Americans can use to attack foreigners.

Allies: countries that support U.S. foreign policy.
Enemies: countries that don't support U.S. foreign policy.

Patriot: any American who supports U.S. foreign wars.
Traitor: any American who opposes U.S. foreign wars.

Hero: any American solider who fought in any war against any country for any reason.
Coward: any American who doesn't support U.S. soldiers fighting in senseless foreign wars.

American: supporting large defense budgets.
UnAmerican: opposing large defense budgets.

Threat to American security: see unAmerican, coward, and traitor.

Veteran: God's chosen people.
Non-veterans: second-class citizens.

Muslim: terrorist.
Terrorist: Muslim.

Soldier: public servant.
Civilian: freeloader.

Isolationist: any American who opposes U.S. wars, empire, and/or foreign policy.

Zionist: someone who favors U.S. military intervention in the Middle East.
Anti-Semite: someone who opposes U.S. military intervention in the Middle East.

Pacifist: enemy of the United States.
Draft dodger: see pacifist.

Dead U.S. soldier: fallen hero.
Dead foreign civilian: collateral damage.

Torture: torture of Americans by foreigners.
Enhanced interrogation techniques: torture of foreigners by Americans.
Extraordinary rendition: U.S. supported torture of foreigners by foreigners.

U.S. interests: anything the United States wants to be interested in.

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Show Love to the Merchant Class

While the whole thing is definitely worth reading, I thought the contrast explained in this passage was particularly interesting in light of the fact that so many naively believe and claim, in some sort of black is white, up is down sorta way that government is not force while the market is.

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People can be downright nasty to store clerks and stores. It's their right: a feature of the market is that you don't have to trade with anyone in particular. And yet, it still troubles me when people are so dismissive of attempts at entrepreneurship. Why not refrain from buying and walk away? Why hurl invective or behave in a rude way?

In the sports store the other day, I heard customers muttering that this glove is too expensive, this tennis racket is too tightly strung, this shoe is too gaudy, this exercise equipment is not all it says, and that the store should carry this brand of ball, not that one. Most people are happy, else the place could not be in business, but other people (again, rightly) just assume that it is their right to dislike, refuse, cut down, put down, and generally dismiss any merchant with a wave of their hand.

Compare to the scene at airport security. This same class of citizen marches in lockstep, permits himself or herself to be subjected to invasive searches, holds the tongue even when subjected to barking orders from the TSA, and even allows property to be confiscated from personal bags. No one dares utter a word of protest or even complaint for fear of landing in the slammer. The goal is just to get to the other side of the government barrier, where the mini utopia of airport commerce awaits to serve us in a real way and that hamburger and beer had better be served up immediately, else we will demand our rights!

We are masters of the universe as customers and as compliant as lambs when acting as citizens. And perhaps that's easy to understand. The government has a gun pointing at our heads. The merchant is trying to persuade us to part with our money in exchange for goods and services. One won't take no for an answer; the other sees no as just part of daily life.

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10 Things You Might Not Know About America's Independence:

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It Was a States Thing First: Independence was not something that was confined to Congress. It started out as a state and local thing. In fact, the very first Declaration of Independence came on Oct. 4, 1774 (21 months before the Continental Congress declared independence) from the town of Worcester, Mass. During the next 21 months a total of 90 state and local declarations of independence would be made.

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We Are Not a Democracy: People often associate democracy with freedom. We hear this word used all the time by our politicians, by our neighbors, even sometimes by our educators. But the fact is we are not a democracy. We are a republic. Our Founding Fathers deemed this an important distinction to make and discussed the matter quite a bit. In the end, our Founding Fathers claimed that a democracy was both extreme and dangerous for a country as it would most assuredly result in the oppression of the minority by the majority. Take this one example from Founding Father, Elbridge Gerry: "The evils we experience flow from the excess of democracy." And Thomas Jefferson said that democracy should never be practiced outside the limits of a town. Our Founders were very wary of power no matter who had it and thus limited it as much as possible -- this is why we have such a unique system of checks and balances.

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Our Founding Fathers Would Not Have Recited the Pledge: Another patriotic tradition that gets a lot of attention, particularly around this time of the year, is the Pledge of Allegiance. The Pledge did not exist during our Founders' lifetimes -- something that is very clear when looking at its text. The Pledge was written over a century after America's founding in 1892. It was also written by a socialist -- Francis Bellamy, whose original text was: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." According to our Founders, the states are not indivisible, but very much the opposite. In fact, when ratifying the U.S. Constitution, some states, such as Virginia among others, specifically declared the right to secede from the Union should they feel it necessary just as an extra precaution to make sure that that state right was understood. Our Founders took their states rights very seriously and considered the U.S. Constitution to be a compact amongst the sovereign states so that any state could secede if it felt the federal government had become oppressive. So, if not with a pledge, how would our Founding Fathers begin meetings and celebrations? The answer: most likely with a prayer. In fact, the very first resolution brought before the First Continental Congress, and immediately passed, was the declaration that they would open every meeting with a prayer.

The state is nothing more than a criminal gang writ large.

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Liking all these links and posts, MJ. Thanks.
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Liking all these links and posts, MJ. Thanks.

Thanks for saying so. Glad you appreciate them. That was a kind thing to say.

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Incredible stuff being done by Joel Salatin:

Polyface Farm, Part 1
Polyface Farm, Part 2
Polyface Farm, Part 3

I watched the first one of these last night, looking forward to the other two.

You often say you're for freedom etc but it's often in the interests of business to thwart these small scale businesses by any means possible.

The US wrote into the constitution for Iraq that Iraq must allow Monsanto et al to sell their "debt crops", ie genetically modified seeds that aren't allowed to be stored, which is how farmers have operated since time immemorial, but instead the farmer has to buy new seeds every year if they want to grow the same crop again, which they typically have to, to pay back the money they owe already. The seeds contaminate traditional seeds too deteriorating the crops of local farmers. Fuck and then we eat that shit (sorry it really pisses me off). The more people like the guy in your video the better.
"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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"Islam is as dangerous in a man as rabies in a dog"~ Sir Winston Churchill. We are nurturing a nightmare that will haunt our children, and kill theirs.
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"Although non-defense discretionary spending in nominal dollars has increased, when taking inflation and population growth into account the amount contained in the [2011 budget] represents no increase over what we spent in 2001, a year in which we generated a surplus of $128 billion," said chairman Daniel Inouye (D-HI) in a prepared statement. "So the right question to ask is: Are we really spending too much on non-defense programs? The answer is clearly no."


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