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post #41 of 81
Woohoo! I have encountered both the performance issue and the battery lasting less than a day even on standby issue. I hope they work it out. I would actually be fine with just an "official" OS 3 downgrade path, but fixed OS 4 would be good too.
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Users have complained of several major problems after upgrading to the new operating system, including slowness, decreased battery life and overheating.

My 3G seems to be ok. There is a delay opening apps but nothing major. Overall, I prefer it to version 3.

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The increased memory requirements of iOS 4 are cited as a reason for disabling the extra features.

That's what really annoys me about iOS4 for the 3G. There's not really any reason to disable multi-tasking. The device would only use the available RAM anyway. Fair enough the home screen wallpaper as it may slow things down but this video shows multi-tasking working fine on the 3G:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7J9PQ2PN7U

Apple literally put in a plist with an option thats says multi-tasking yes/no and turn it off for older devices. They just push users to jailbreak their devices to make them pleasant to use. \

Even if they have a preference to turn it on or off and let users decide what works best.
post #43 of 81
My phone was TOTALLY USELESS after upgrade.

1.Apps craching (yea the apple ones aswell, mail, safari, ipod)
2.apps not starting on the first go
3. Music interrupting to play (before that ipod never ever interrupted playing (stutering) when doing anything else)
4. crazy lag everywhere (2secs-30 secs when you push something in UI)
5. typing was unsusable because of the lag. 1-5 seconds for geting a single letter to apear

I tried many things that only worked for a short while. The only thing I found out that i could keep going all the time was plain and simple but not very nice. I think it may be a solutions for those that have upgraded their 3G and need a solution for the time being, untill apple fixes the problem. The problem is memory usage on IOS4!!!

By turning off spotlight indexing seemed to help the memory problems that the phone is experiencing so that you dont get a lag on the phone..

settings > home-button > spotlight search > turn of all categorys


After about 10 days I havent had any problems and have not booted the phone!!!
post #44 of 81
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I have a 3g and will upgrade to the ip4 the moment my contracts let me. I love my iPhone. But there is nothing wrong with being pragmatic and facing up to the realities. Some people use their iPhones for calls only in which case I personally would buy a something smaller and cheaper.

Yep I think thats true. I recommend everyone who asks me the same thing: The iPhone is a multifunctional device that can do phone calls as well but if some one just needs a phone, then why the H. should he buy an iPhone? I love my iPhone 3G even even with iOS4 on it. It became quite a bit slower. But there are solutions for that.
post #45 of 81
Not users. Jailbreakers and participants of the flashmob attack on Apple.

iOS4.0 is indeed buggy and many applications don't operate well under new OS on the 3G. But the OS itself was never slow. Precisely ``performance issues' ' do not exist.

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post #46 of 81
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iPhone 3G + iOS 4 = EPIC FAIL

Speak for yourself. My experience is quite the opposite.

When I first upgraded to iOS4.0 on my 3G it was very slow, yes, but the upgrade to 4.0.1 fixed everything and my 3G is running as fast as it ever did, and battery life has improved significantly. Great job Apple.

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The whole iOS 4/iPhone 4.0 is Apple's Vista. Apple should have NEVER allowed the 3G to updrade to the iOS 4.

I'm sorry, but there's only one word I can use to reply to that: BULLSH1T.
post #47 of 81
Never upgrade to a higher version of your OS nless the first Service Pack is out. This sys afdmin rle applies to basically all OSes.

What strikes me though is the blatent lack of quality control this time. Between Antennagate and lack of performance one would have thoght that Apple actually test these things thoroughly before releasing this to the market. I mean - did they not notice the performance issues whilst developing iOS. Or did they develop the whole iOS4 shibang on iPhone4.

Most of these issues could have been adressed ex-ante by proper quality control
post #48 of 81
I have noticed the 3G has become strange since update. It works fine but there is a delay in many things working. If I start typing for example it can be several seconds before the letters appear, Once the delay is over it seems normal. I better go check I did get the latest update I maybe still using the 4.0 duh!
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post #49 of 81
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I found a solution in the comments at another site.

Go to settings/general/home button/ spotlight search. uncheck all of the options, then restart your phone.

I tried it and it worked! performance was almost back to pre iOS4 levels, even after I rechecked most of the spotlight items.

I recommend trying this before doing anything more radical.


I'm trying this on my wifes 3g
will give an update later

I did the downgrade route but major hassle rebuilding
everything and chose not to do my wifes

we need an apple solution that keeps our data
they should offer this downgrade option in the future
just to prevent this issue

I should know by this evening
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post #50 of 81
From my wifes 3G
Typing is just fine so cross your fingers
More update later as she uses it
Thanks for the insight
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post #51 of 81
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I'm trying this on my wifes 3g
will give an update later

I did the downgrade route but major hassle rebuilding
everything and chose not to do my wifes

we need an apple solution that keeps our data
they should offer this downgrade option in the future
just to prevent this issue

I should know by this evening

Worked like magic for my 3G. fast as ever again!
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post #52 of 81
Mine too - iOS4 has made my 3G a nightmare. Very slow and mail sometimes freezes for a minute or so while trying to catchup.

Hope they fix it.

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post #53 of 81
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From my wifes 3G
Typing is just fine so cross your fingers
More update later as she uses it
Thanks for the insight

My 3G has now slowed down again, so I'm going to keep the options all unchecked this time and see how it goes.

If it stays quick, I'll try adding options one at a time and see if there is a breaking point.
post #54 of 81
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Speak for yourself. My experience is quite the opposite.

When I first upgraded to iOS4.0 on my 3G it was very slow, yes, but the upgrade to 4.0.1 fixed everything and my 3G is running as fast as it ever did, and battery life has improved significantly. Great job Apple.


I'm sorry, but there's only one word I can use to reply to that: BULLSH1T.

Really I guess after reading all the comments you are the only one that is OK with 3G and iOS 4.x

Maybe you should get in line for your white iPhone 4......oh wait they cant get the paint thickness correct??????? Or the light is leaking out of it or whatever is the latest reason that cant get the white phone out.
post #55 of 81
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I am absolutely livid that Apple doesn't offer a sanctioned downgrade path back to iOS3.

I also experienced the slowdown disaster - it became so bad that I missed about 70% of my incoming calls. Imagine trying to swipe the slider that is utterly unresponsive, while you see an important client calling through - repeatedly.

To make matters worse, it also killed my WiFi.

I'm in the same boat as Landnsea - I'm locked into a contract without an upgrade available in the near future.

As added salt in the wound, when I took it to the local Genius Bar, my support tech's response was simply "Wow, that's the worst I've seen yet." Yet he refused to downgrade it to iOS3. The store manager also refused to fix it, but graciously offered me a new 3G replacement - running iOS3!! wtf??!?! - for $300.

%^&$ that.

In the end, I opted for the total reset and lost ALL of my application data. The phone's performance is acceptable once more, but I'm beyond furious.

This really feels personal, because I'm a loyal Apple user with SEVEN macs - including two mac pros and 3 MBP's - between my home and business. I've literally personally converted at least 20 people into mac users over the last 15 or so years, but suffice it to say, my next phone is certainly not going to be an iPhone.

Instead, I find myself on a rabid anti-Apple crusade for the first time since using a mac in 1991. Between this shit experience and the antenna/proximity sensor issues of the new hardware, I'm waging a grass-roots campaign and warning potential buyers off of Apple's celphones. I've already convinced three people not to buy.

Clean up your act Apple. You've gone from one of the best, to going straight into the toilet.

Oh, my oh my, the drama of it all! How about you get a life!
post #56 of 81
I think I'm glad I did not upgrade to iOS4 after reading these posts. I tried, and the installation failed. Several posts suggested "stripping" all the applications from your phone, then installing. I didn't want to do that, and waited a few days. It obviously must depend on what you have installed on your phone as to how well it installs and runs, or possibly the settings. Since all of the "good" features weren't available, I decided not to upgrade at all. I'll probably get the iPhone 4 by the end of the year.
post #57 of 81
I wonder why the disparity between ones that work fine and ones that work like crap. For my experience I upgraded two, mine and my wifes.. and it was just terrible. The slowness and battery life was pretty bad, but the real kicker was crashes in items like mail and safari, where before we never had any problems.

Ended up getting some 4s a couple of weeks later, but I could definitely not use that phone for much longer
post #58 of 81
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Really I guess after reading all the comments you are the only one that is OK with 3G and iOS 4.x

If you check the Apple Discussion Forums for the 3G you will see there are many, many 3G owners saying that 4.0.1 has fixed the slowness issue.

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Maybe you should get in line for your white iPhone 4......oh wait they cant get the paint thickness correct??????? Or the light is leaking out of it or whatever is the latest reason that cant get the white phone out.

Please explain how the problems that may or may not exist with the white iPhone 4 have anything to do with iOS 4.x on the 3G?
post #59 of 81
My 3G hasn't been the same since the upgrade for all the reasons listed here and then some! Not a happy camper about that issue but happy (or getting happier) to know that Apple is aware of the problem and hopefully will have a fix soon. Like my 3G to much!
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post #60 of 81
I experienced slow down with with iOS3, iOS4 has just continued the slowness. If anything it may have actually got slightly better.

More than anything I think its probably just the age of the phone being around 2 years old. I've never really understood why computers get slower with age, even if there running the same os and you wipe them back like new, but I guess smartphones are going to be the same.
post #61 of 81
My 3G also became nearly unusable after "upgrading" to iOS4. I did the DFU restore as described above and for the past few days the phone has been pretty stable. Typing seems to keep up now, and apps open fairly quickly. I also haven't had a crash (hello Safari) since doing the DFU restore. You have to wonder if Apple tested this update on 3G phones being used in real world situations after seeing the myriad problems that have cropped up after its release.
post #62 of 81
I am one of the 3G owners having this issue, and it's about f--king time Apple and the tech blogs and media finally took notice. WTF took so long??
post #63 of 81
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I found a solution in the comments at another site.

Go to settings/general/home button/ spotlight search. uncheck all of the options, then restart your phone.

I tried it and it worked! performance was almost back to pre iOS4 levels, even after I rechecked most of the spotlight items.

I wish people would stop telling people that this or that will FIX the problem. IT WILL NOT! I and many others have already tried nearly every single reset, restore, reinstall, turning things off, deleting apps, deleting folders, and on and on. Any speed gains are only temporary. You cannot fix this problem by changing settings or turning shit off!

And those who say a double reboot helps, well, of course it will! Initially. After a few hours, you're right back to the slow piece of shit the 3G iPhone has become with iOS 4.

The only thing that will fix this is an updated iOS 4 from Apple that addresses the problems for 3G iPhone owners.
post #64 of 81
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I wish people would stop telling people that this or that will FIX the problem. IT WILL NOT! I and many others have already tried nearly every single reset, restore, reinstall, turning things off, deleting apps, deleting folders, and on and on. Any speed gains are only temporary. You cannot fix this problem by changing settings or turning shit off!

And those who say a double reboot helps, well, of course it will! Initially. After a few hours, you're right back to the slow piece of shit the 3G iPhone has become with iOS 4.

The only thing that will fix this is an updated iOS 4 from Apple that addresses the problems for 3G iPhone owners.

Wow, maybe you should switch to decaf.
I can't speak for you, but most of us are looking for anything to mitigate the problem until Apple can get it fixed.

You're right, none of these solutions are perfect, but they help... unlike you.
post #65 of 81
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If you check the Apple Discussion Forums for the 3G you will see there are many, many 3G owners saying that 4.0.1 has fixed the slowness issue.

Hogwash. I've been following that thread daily from the very beginning, and a huge majority of the posts there are complaints from people who are having problems. Quite a few people who made a post stating their phones work just fine under iOS4 actually have 3GS iPhones.

4.0.1 did not fix the problem for a large majority of 3G iPhone owners.
post #66 of 81
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Wow, maybe you should switch to decaf.
I can't speak for you, but most of us are looking for anything to mitigate the problem until Apple can get it fixed.

You're right, none of these solutions are perfect, but they help... unlike you.

STFU unless you have something useful to contribute other than bullshit "fixes" that do not work. You are part of the problem and are not helping anyone spreading those falsehoods.
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STFU unless you have something useful to contribute other than bullshit "fixes" that do not work. You are part of the problem and are not helping anyone spreading those falsehoods.

Excuse me?
post #68 of 81
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The only thing that will fix this is an updated iOS 4 from Apple that addresses the problems for 3G iPhone owners.

100% correct. ^^^^

I know a lot of people with 3G phones - I'm one of them. I do not know of a single 3G user running iOS4 who is happy with the upgrade. Those who are trying to explain the problems away or dismiss them don't know what they are talking about.

My wife has a 3GS and it runs great. My 3G has numerous problems most of which have been mentioned in this thread.
post #69 of 81
first i did hard-reset
and now i always run XSysInfo app from appstore to clear memory of my 3g
now it works pretty fast
post #70 of 81
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The only thing that will fix this is an updated iOS 4 from Apple that addresses the problems for 3G iPhone owners.

Apple is working on it, and the latest Beta works hugely better/faster/smoother on the 3G. I used 4.0 then went directly to the 4.1 Betas - its almost there, I really hope they release the update soon so we can get on to other things and issues.
post #71 of 81
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Originally Posted by LTMP View Post

I found a solution in the comments at another site.

Go to settings/general/home button/ spotlight search. uncheck all of the options, then restart your phone.

I tried it and it worked! performance was almost back to pre iOS4 levels, even after I rechecked most of the spotlight items.

I recommend trying this before doing anything more radical.

UPDATE TO EARLIER POSTS: lost all data with downgrade on my phone---sooooo

well my wife tried several aps, email, text, and passcode, now near to 3.x in performance
thanks for the insight, it worked for her
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UPDATE TO EARLIER POSTS: lost all data with downgrade on my phone---sooooo

You need to grab your last 3.1.3 backup and restore settings from that. You wont get any data changes since 4.0 but at it will save you a lot of time and hassle.
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post #73 of 81
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My 3G has now slowed down again, so I'm going to keep the options all unchecked this time and see how it goes.

If it stays quick, I'll try adding options one at a time and see if there is a breaking point.

No man, you cant put them back on, switching them of makes the phone use less memory so that all thats left will not crash. Apple needs to optimize the code thats broken and take out the buggy crap out of the operating system (optimate memory usage). Its some software within IOS4 thats behaving erradicaly (maybe kernel, or some apple service/app, that IS able to run in the background (rememeber no backgroundin 3:rd party apps on 3G)). This is the only mid-term solution to even use the device without going back to iphone OS 3.1.3. I dont like not being able to search my phone but it seems to be the only option at the time being without reverting to older operating system. The only option is to get always running services shutdown to free memory usage.

Everytime I had a problem my free memory (check with eg system - for your device app) was about 1-2%, when i start my phone ti had about 10% but it goes in a few minutes to about 7%. Now I might have 20% free sometimes, sometimes as low as 5% but I have no freezing apps and apple apps not starting... NOT ONCE!!!

First time i have ever had a flashback to my old nokia ;-P
post #74 of 81
At last a sensible discussion on the iPhone 3G iOS4 issues! I've read so many pages on the web where you just get idiots saying "it's your fault for having an old phone, just upgrade". Which misses the point completely, as many people are tied to contracts, plus the 3G was a current model alongside the 3GS until very recently. I only got mine in Sept 2009 and couldn't get the 3GS because of a staff discount scheme that didn't allow it. Plus of course Apple have released iOS4 for the 3G, and apparently they fully QA'd it because they disabled the wallpaper for performance reasons.

I'm glad they're looking into this, I put up with iOS4 for a couple of weeks but it slowed everything down. Not always obvious but enough to take the slickness and polish off the user experience. Eventually I downgraded using one of the guides on the web which didn't involve jailbreaking but did involve using an app to get the phone out of DFU mode after 3.1.3 was installed.

I hope Apple can fix this. And give us a way of accessing the screen lock function.
post #75 of 81
If Apple are reading - reboots do seem to help. It seems like either a memory leak or data caches growing too large for the 3G's limited memory. Since 3GS owners say iOS4 is faster, there must be extra caching to boost performance.

I've seen quite a few reports on the web saying "double-resets" and/or full restores solve the problem. They seem to (because a reboot is involved) but after a few days heavy use, the slowdowns are back again.

Fingers crossed Apple can sort this and I can upgrade again
post #76 of 81
iPhone OS 4: Welcome to fragmentation-land Apple
http://thereallymobileproject.com/20...on-land-apple/

iPhone fragmentation confuses customers - the App Store needs a rethink
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhon...re.asp?c=21764

iPhone now as fragmented as Android
http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/0...ed-as-android/
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well my wife tried several aps, email, text, and passcode, now near to 3.x in performance thanks for the insight, it worked for her

Trust me, any speed increase you may obtain is only temporary and will not last. None of these tricks is a real fix for buggy software. Only Apple can fix this.
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iPhone OS 4: Welcome to fragmentation-land Apple
http://thereallymobileproject.com/20...on-land-apple/

iPhone fragmentation confuses customers - the App Store needs a rethink
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhon...re.asp?c=21764

iPhone now as fragmented as Android
http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/0...ed-as-android/

Awesome argument as usualĀ” Its great to see that you think YoY HW updates and completely new product categories are the same fragmentation as Android OS not getting updates when other phones do, have an excessive number of permutations with consistency from the HW to the UI to the app storeĀ”

Of course, you also bitch that Apple didnt do enough with each new iOS version and iPhone version so your argument as usual contradicts your previous comments.
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Of course, you also bitch that Apple didnt do enough with each new iOS version and iPhone version so your argument as usual contradicts your previous comments.

What exactly did I write along those lines?
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Oh, my oh my, the drama of it all! How about you get a life!



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You're a real piece of work, sunshine. A real contributor to the board. Thanks for coming out though, Ricky.

Moving right along:

I'm not an unreasonable person. If iOS4 doesn't work on the 3G, so be it. I can accept that my hardware is too old to handle it.

But for Pete's sake, give me an Apple-sanctioned regression path back to iOS3 so that I don't have to effectively jailbreak my phone to get my hardware working again, Apple.

That's really not asking too much, is it?
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