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Norway's largest paper: iPhone 4 Antennagate is a US problem

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After testing Apple's iPhone 4 against competing HTC and Nokia models in a remote area on the edge of Norwegian carrier Telenor's mobile coverage, the county's largest paper has concluded that its antenna design is "just as good and bad as competitors," rather than suffering any defect.

A report by Oslo's Verdens Gang, the country's largest online and printed newspaper, forwarded to AppleInsider by reader Torje Øivand Olsen, noted that the brouhaha surrounding "alleged antenna problems" of iPhone 4 was not evident in its own testing conducted in a remote part of the country.

The paper compared iPhone 4 against the HTC Wildfire, Nokia E71, and Apple's previous iPhone 3GS. It stated that all of the phones reacted similarly when gripped tightly (losing signal bars due to attenuation), but that all of the phones were able to sustain a conversation.

Both Nokia and HTC have responded to Antennagate with bold claims that signal drops experienced when a phone is held in a particular way are a problem unique to Apple, while at the same time warning users not to hold their own Nokia or HTC phones in such a way as to cause signal attenuation.

Worse in call quality, better in data service

VG reported that the sound quality on the two iPhone models was not as good, but that all the calls 'went smoothly.' However, when using the phones' data service to pull up a web page, the reporters said only the iPhone 4 'was close to having a stable connection,' successfully pulling up a page while the other models reported no service.



The paper suggested poor mobile networks may be the cause of the US reports of iPhone 4 antenna problems. It cited Amobil, a Norwegian mobile phone news site, as having 'tested the iPhone 4 thoroughly, without finding any evidence that it is improperly constructed. All modern mobile phones have integrated antennas, and it is normal that they are affected by how the phone is held,' VG said.

Amobil writer Finn Jarle Kvalheim added, 'Consumer Reports goes far in asserting that the problems do not have anything to with the mobile network. But it is a fact that mobile networks in Norway are much more robust than AT&T's network in the US.'

Olsen, who helped translate the story for AppleInsider, adds "I have myself tested the iPhone 4 and tried to replicate the signal loss close to one of Norway's major towns without being able to get even one less bar."

Apple will launch the new iPhone 4 in Norway tomorrow, along with Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, Hong Kong, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Singapore, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.
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Take that Gizmodo and the rest of you android freaks.
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interesting. could this be true? It's not the phone and not the network per-se? So now it's that just America's network sucks.
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post #4 of 75
Who actually holds their phone in a tight grip while talking on the phone??? I don't even hold it like that while surfing the web, using email, or playing games. Get over it!
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Silly Norwegians. What do they know? Apple probably paid-off that paper.
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It stands to reason that when unfettered of such a substandard mobile carrier, the issue is less apparent.

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After testing Apple's iPhone 4 against competing HTC and Nokia models in a remote area on the edge of Norwegian carrier Telenor's mobile coverage, the county's largest paper has concluded that its antenna design is "just as good and bad as competitors," rather than suffering any defect. ...

For what it's worth I haven't heard of anyone in Canada experiencing the problem either.

Before the bar software upgrade I got five or four bars everywhere, all over town, and I've never had a dropped call ever.
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Silly Norwegians. What do they know? Apple probably paid-off that paper.

I trust them more than Mossberg, for sure...
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Weirdest headline ever.
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That's the point. Its not that America's network sucks. Its that AT&T sucks. The evidence that Apple needs to move to other carriers in addition to AT&T keeps piling up.

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interesting. could this be true? It's not the phone and not the network per-se? So now it's that just America's network sucks.
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I just saw the article in my home town newspaper in Norway, and there are a couple of points to mention: The place they tested it is a remote woodland area outside of Oslo, with barely any reception. The bars fell from 2 to 0 when holding the phones in a tight "death grip". Then they took the phones in a boat out on a lake, and there they tested the data reception, where only the iP4 could get any signal.
What a surprise (for me) to see that page rendered in an article by the number one tech writer Eran Dilger, whose articles are the first ones I look for...
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> Silly Norwegians. What do they know? Apple probably paid-off that paper.
Yeah, right. Apple would be more successful buying an article in the Washington Post. Actually the Norwegian papers are usually quite Android-friendly. But the 'droids haven't caught on so much here - Nokia is what everybody has (before they go and buy a iPhone of course).
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Silly Norwegians. What do they know? Apple probably paid-off that paper.

Silly or not, but they have better mobile networks

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Who actually holds their phone in a tight grip while talking on the phone???

Probably angry people who are yelling back on speakerphone

The other day I was at a wedding reception where the hall had a micro cell or something like that. My LG Shine that usually dropped 2-3 bars at home (when completely enveloped by my hands) could not lose any bars however I wrapped and covered the phone. Same with my friend's IPhone 3Gs. Seems it's partially AT&T's infrastructure that is not up to par.
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Indeed! In Canada and in Europe, the iPhone 4 has no issues.

In the USA, it drops. And since it was received in Canada without carrier lock, using local SIMs and the thing still drops. It's the network.

Might it have anything to do with it being designed more so for the HSDPA networks?
(I'm just asking, as I have no idea how the iPhone was designed...)
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What a surprise (for me) to see that page rendered in an article by the number one tech writer Eran Dilger,

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post #16 of 75
Just what i have been saying all along.

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Silly Norwegians. What do they know? Apple probably paid-off that paper.

Very advanced nation Norway. As are all our Scandinavian brethren.

With the exception of Ireland no single country contributed a larger percentage of its population to the United States than Norway.

Marilyn Monroe one of the more famous names which springs to mind.
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post #17 of 75
Boy O Boy I can hear them now The iPhone competitors that is .

Everyone in most countries outside the United States knows the model of hands which are used there are of a different model than the one used in the US. Hence the screwy results. Since we in the US make the best hands Going--- then they will have to be wrong. I think !!!!!. Beside the Norway Hands are Colder.
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The fact is we are whiners in this country. No matter how good it is we will always whine. It is either the antenna, or the color, or the shape, or no physical keyboard, or the speed, or the connection, or AT&T, or something else. It's one brouhaha or another.
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Looks like the latest crusade to take Apple down is suffering from credibility issues. I guess all they have left is the "proximity sensor" issue now. Or will that turn out to be a "proximitygate" too.

Instead of "silly Norwegians" maybe it should be "silly Apple hating trolls".
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For what it's worth I haven't heard of anyone in Canada experiencing the problem either.

Before the bar software upgrade I got five or four bars everywhere, all over town, and I've never had a dropped call ever.


The iPhone 4 doesn't release until tomorrow here in Canada so it's not a fair bar to measure against. Not many to complain when not many have access to the phone.
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For what it's worth I haven't heard of anyone in Canada experiencing the problem either.

Before the bar software upgrade I got five or four bars everywhere, all over town, and I've never had a dropped call ever.

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Indeed! In Canada and in Europe, the iPhone 4 has no issues.

In the USA, it drops. And since it was received in Canada without carrier lock, using local SIMs and the thing still drops. It's the network.

Might it have anything to do with it being designed more so for the HSDPA networks?
(I'm just asking, as I have no idea how the iPhone was designed...)

Does someone want to clarify this for me? Are you roaming from the US or another country and testing Canada's network? Because the iPhone 4 hasn't officially been released in Canada yet.
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This little 'proclamation' is all good and well, but given that it clearly states that, "Apple will launch the new iPhone 4 in Norway tomorrow", I find the timing rather interesting (to say the least).

Suggestion: Wait and see actual user/consumer reactions to the device before placing too much credence on publications that might possibly have an 'agenda' -
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"The paper suggested poor mobile networks may be the cause of the US reports of iPhone 4 antenna problems."

'Nuff said.

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And the specific nature of this US problem: “believing things to be true not because of evidence and reason, but merely because of emotion, dogma, tradition, authority or self-interest.”

(Sadly the US does not have a monopoly on this problem. But is wildly popular here!)
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Just what i have been saying all along.

Very advanced nation Norway. As are all our Scandinavian brethren.

With the exception of Ireland no single country contributed a larger percentage of its population to the United States than Norway.

Marilyn Monroe one of the more famous names which springs to mind.

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This little 'proclamation' is all good and well, but given that it clearly states that, "Apple will launch the new iPhone 4 in Norway tomorrow", I find the timing rather interesting (to say the least).

Suggestion: Wait and see actual user/consumer reactions to the device before placing too much credence on publications that might possibly have an 'agenda' -

The only "agenda" here is that when something great happens, it's considered "news" - guess that's what newspapers live for? Anyway, thousands have already bought the newest iPhone here - they buy it in Germany or UK on holiday (it's only an hour by plane).
I also think many are fed up with their old Nokias. Even if a new iPhone dropped every 10th call I'd be satisfied: My 2 year old Nokia (with the crappy '90ies UI) smartphone drops one out of 4 calls in my own flat, although it shows 7 bars. Maybe I only hold it the wrong way...
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I would agree that it is more than the antenna, it has to do with the quality of the network. Recently on holidays in spain, I was roaming onto different networks. With the original 4.0 firmware, on the MoviStar network I was typically at 5 bars in the apartment then just holding the iPhone "incorrectly" I would fall immediately to "no service", simply switching to Orange or Vodafone I would typically get 2-3 bars and no matter how I held the phone on both these network the signal would just fluctuate sometimes even going up to 4 bars.
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Why do I believe this?
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The Norwegian paper confirms what I already knew from experience in regards to the iPhone 4.
Many consumers and pundits complain that the new iPhone doesn't handle calls very well, and the paper confirms that too. They say "the primary reason you have a phone is to make calls." Well not me. Calls are ancillary to me, I'd rather communicate via e-mails, check the web, take photos, etc.
So besides integrating with iTunes and my Mac so smoothly, the iPhone 4 is for me.
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Could this have something to do with different frequencies being used by the carriers in different countries? Maybe the effects of detuning from antenna bridging are greater with some frequencies compared to others?
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post #31 of 75
Norway = Much more technologically advanced/up to date than the US.

Norwegians = Much smarter than Americans
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I don't believe that they have zero issues. I am sure they get the same problem, but since the bars have been "recalculated", that could be helping the perception of less signal attentuation.

I do believe some of the blame is on AT&T, but Apple is most certainly not in the clear.
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Hmm... it's the network eh? That's why my iPhone 3G works flawlessly and my iPhone 4's data would come to a screeching halt when touching the black line on the bottom left? I'm not talking about cupping my whole hand around the phone... I'm talking about lightly putting my finger on the black mark.

Yeah... must be a network problem. AT&T must not be set up for external antennas yet.

Sheesh!
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I second this. I wasn't able to reproduce the problem on six different iPhone 4s (my own, from a few friends, in a T-Mobile store and at an Apple retailer) at all here in Germany, all iPhones running either on T-Mobile, BASE or O2. Tried to grip the phone really tight, also covered the lower left corner with my finger - NOTHING. Also, out of around 20 German tech magazines that tested this, only one was able to reproduce the problem.
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4.01 brought increased volatility to the number of bars. They now pop up and disappear very quickly on their own. This masquerades to the extent ``real' ' signal drops, when the seam is bridged with palms. If the update were ready by the phone launch date, ``masses' ' wouldn't notice anything.

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Norway = Much more technologically advanced/up to date than the US.

Well, as a Norwegian, I could still say that's debatable. But as far as Internet and telecoms go, our systems are generally top of the line.

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Norwegians = Much smarter than Americans

Not gonna argue with you on that one though
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I love my iPhone since I got the first one in 2007. But I hate AT&T for keeping us hostage.

It is a known fact that US mobile carriers are always behind in everything. Internet is slow in US compared to other countries. If it was not for Apple, there will be no company in US to compete with Asians and Europeans in Mobile phone technology.

Americans are deceived into believing we are the best. The fact is that we are not. Only in America are mobile phone users charged at both ends of a phone call. In other countries, the originator of a call gets charged.

Americans are suckers to the media, which are just propaganda vehicle for corporations and the ruling elite. Yes, Norwegians are smarter. They are smart enough to provide free education and free healthcare. These alone say it all.

America is only best at war and destruction.
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That's what we've been thinking in Europe all along. It's not the first time we here about issues with the iPhone reception every single model. Issues we don't seem to have over here.

Glad I believed Jobs and have mine on order and picking it up in about 8 hours. Can't wait to get the best smartphone out there on the best networks of the world!

I'm from Belgium btw!
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Kind of true..

I used a finnish GSM network, and eventually got rid of the iPhone 4 as I didn't consider it good enough. I used it both 900 Mhz (rural) and 2100 Ghz (city) 3G networks, I was getting 2+ Mbit/s in rural areas and 5+ Mbit/s in the city, pretty good networks.

I didn't need any explicit death grip, just a normal loose grip (left hand) on the phone did the trick and it went from 3G all the way down to GSM. Did it drop calls? No. Did it affect voice quality? Yes, some folks complained that it sounded I was in bad reception area. Did it affect data speed? Yes, especially if I was surfing with the phone in my hand like I had held the previous iPhones.

I don't think the problem effects everyone, the reception, hands, how people hold their phones, etc are different. Some people just don't care if the data speed drops from 5+ to 1 Mbit/s. A lot of people use cases and bumpers. Do other phones have similar issues? Not exactly as you can't touch their antennas but your hand will always effect the reception.

I do expect Apple to introduce a better model later, I don't think they will continue to offer free cases forever. I got a cheap Nokia C5 until it arrives and while it's a crappy smart phone, the voice quality and reception is definetly better than iPhone 4. That's one of the very few areas where Nokia and the traditional manufacturers still shine.
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Just what i have been saying all along.



Very advanced nation Norway. As are all our Scandinavian brethren.

With the exception of Ireland no single country contributed a larger percentage of its population to the United States than Norway.

Marilyn Monroe one of the more famous names which springs to mind.

Yes indeed, I'm a 2nd generation 100% Norwegian. I can't say that about my daughters though. They are half Chinese. I've thought about moving to Norway as they are very advanced in the areas of oil drilling and refinery, forestry, and fish farming. I haven't been back there since 1990 but plan to go back soon.

Their roadways are amazing with some automobile tunnels through mountains that are over 23km long. Its a beautiful country and reminds me of the Pacific Northwest.
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