Originally Posted by benice
Then why does it drop out in the US and noone in the Australia reports seems to be able to get a call to drop? Speed and call retention are inextricably linked.
It can be Australia is like my country (Canada) --- large country with concentrated population density in top 5 cities. Regardless of that, we don't hear complaints about Verizon dropping calls like mad --- so it is about specific carrier network's performance, NOT a country's regulatory issue.
If doesn't make sense to conclude that US is xxx years behind this or that country --- when Verizon has a bunch of Droid users (that uses even more data per month than the iphone) and no complaints about network performance.
Originally Posted by benice
What it's taught Apple is that launching the iphone in a country with a second-rate network is a pretty bad place to introduce your new product.
As to it being financially viable to swap carriers in Europe, that's just not true. Most consumers consider it straightforward and worthwhile to change carriers from time to time because there's something called real competition unlike the uncompetitive iPhone market in the US. The outcomes speak for themselves.
Europe actually has fewer competition than the US --- Norway has 2 carriers, France has 3 carriers, Sweden has 3 carriers. It doesn't matter whether you can use the iphone in all 3 French carriers if all 3 carriers face minimal competition (they were all charged with price fixing a few years ago) are going to screw you.
Verizon being the top carrier in the US with only 32% market share --- that's the lowest in the industrialized world, period.
Originally Posted by sennen
I don't care for pissing contests one iota - I simply do not care if the US, South Korea, Finland or wherever have the "best" or "fastest" network. However, the recognised speed/strength of Telstra's network, combined with the anecdotal reports of iPhone 4 usage here today (believe me when i say i've spent way too much time trawling discussion boards today!) have to make one wonder about what our American friends are putting up with on AT&T. Strangely even users of Optus' much derided network are reporting little effect of the antenna issues, and virtually no dropped calls.
Telstra also give you very few data allowance per month.
Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
I know what you are saying about perception and undoubtedly it plays some part, but overall I think you are assuming a lot here and for that reason could easily be dead wrong on this. You have no actual data other than a hunch that it's perception driven.
I think the antenna issue is a good example of (somewhat) hard data. It's an observable physical flaw that seems to occur with much higher regularity on American networks vs. International ones. The data that exists is mostly anecdotal of course, but I have yet to find or hear of anyone in my country having any problem at all on any of the five main carriers of iPhone. Anecdotally, I'm hearing the same from friends and acquaintances in Australia, Europe, and New Zealand. I don't know anyone personally in Japan, but I hear it's the same over there.
So yeah, most of the evidence is anecdotal and some of it is questionable, but it's interesting that there seems to be a clear difference between the experience of users in the USA and users in other countries. It does correlate to the superior coverage and the newer systems in those countries. These are all very suggestive facts even if nothing can be categorically proven from them.
I think the case for the networks being a real physical difference between cases of fail and non-fail is better than the case for it all being perception based at this point.
No doubt there is going to be a performance difference --- but is that attributable to say population density? Much easier to cover Australia or Canada when you cover the top 5 cities, you cover 40-50% of the population.
Originally Posted by bones
Kind of browsing through this thread a bit. Has anyone bothered to point out to Samab that the Wired article he linked to was posted/printed almost two years ago
, well before Telstras two major system upgrades?
AT&T also spent --- quite publicly --- massive amount of money on their network upgrades.
Originally Posted by min_t
NO freakin way VZ is able to do that. They just started and they are behind Sprint in the rollout. VZ also stopped rolling out FIOS, the fiber to the home that is rated slower than comcast cable by speedtest.net.
Please don't praise our backward maintaining cell companies, both ATT and VZ. They are being forced to upgrade and not doing it pro-actively, but re-actively.
I am not praising any "backward" carrier. Do you know that US is 4 years ahead of Europe in FTTH fiber deployment? It's a matter of perspective.http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=172028
Originally Posted by anonymouse samab
is never bothered by facts that contradict his goal of promoting CDMA.
I am not promoting CDMA in this thread at all. I am saying that Telstra gives you 250-500 MB per month for an iphone data plan, Australia having population density that is easy to cover people in big cities,...
Now compare that to AT&T with just discontinued unlimited data allowance on your iphone and much harder to cover people because of population density...
AT&T ain't that bad.