Originally Posted by akhomerun
i find it disturbing how against jailbreaking the appleinsider community is.
I have no problem with jailbreaking. I just want people to take the ultimate responsibility and realize if they do so, their warranty is poof. That's why I'll jailbreak my out of warranty 3G - no risk.
What ticks me off is when people screw around with stuff they don't understand, and then think they should get *free* support for their screwup. Load Linux on your iPhone for all I (or frankly, Apple) cares. Just don't expect help from Apple if you can't get your email or make a phone call any more.
It's doubly annoying when someone shoots themselves in the foot - like say, jailbreaking their phone which enables SSH and then doesn't bother to change the default password. An exploit comes out and suddenly Apple is the one that screwed up? What?!?
This is the kind of thing that puts hackers in conflict with normal people and companies. And to be fair, it's more wanna-be hackers in conflict with normal people and companies - real hackers wouldn't have had the issue or whined about it in the first place.
there is no security disadvantage to having an open computing environment
Really? What's so magical about "open" computing environments? Are they from an alternate reality where normal rules don't apply?
why would you think there's a security problem that needs to be solved by having a closed app store?
Security comes down to managing risk. One of the major tenants of risk management is control. If you have more control, you have fewer variables. If you have fewer variables, you have less things to manage and your chances at maintaining security go up.
The closed app store (walled garden, whatever) is Apples attempt to create a managed computing environment and thus manage risk. They are creating an appliance environment where things "just work" - it's all about the user experience and getting real work done
. Why people are puzzled that Apple should want to do this still amazes me - for the longest time (and I still think it's in there somewhere even if they don't publish it) is the slogan "Computers for the rest of us". The Mac may be many things, but it's not a computer "for the rest of us" - since the rest of "us" (if you assume "us" is all humans) are non-technical. And the Mac, for all I love about it, is still a general purpose computer. That means software installation. Network configuration. Patching and updates. File systems. Mice and pointers on screens. All things that the average person couldn't care less about.
That's why the iPad is so important to my father. He doesn't want a computer! He wants to surf the web, read email and get news and sports scores. The iPad does all that and more, and it does it in a very non-threatening and intuitive way.
Software installation is easy - go to iTunes or the App store. Bam!
Finding his stuff is easy - press the home button. Bam!
If he gets lost or doesn't know where he is, press the home button. Bam!
His files, pictures, etc. are always where he expects them. No rooting around in disks or folders. Bam!
No mouse! You may laugh or take it for granted, but not everyone "gets" the mouse (or trackpad - that's real fun watching him try to use like a mouse). The iPad is very direct. There is no abstraction. You touch something on the screen and stuff happens right where you are touching it
It's not about Apple being greedy, trying to lock people in (or out for capricious or malicious reasons) or any of the other tin-foil conspiracy theories. It's all about delivering a controlled (i.e. AWESOME) user experience. You can't have it both ways. You can't have every choice under the sun and also have top notch reliability, drop dead simplicity, user consistency, etc.
And, quite frankly Apple is damn good at delivering on the whole end user experience thing. You don't turn in their kind of revenue and customer satisfaction scores by jerking people around - despite all the baseless innuendo on the Internet. Are they perfect? No - but then again expecting perfection isn't rational either. But they do deliver a narrow experience that delivers what they promise. And that has incredible value to some, even if you aren't interested in it.
It's not rocket science, but it is hard. It takes allot of work, tons of focus and the ability to ignore people clamoring for X, Y and Z. Look how long it took them to get cut copy paste out? But they did, and when they did it was far more elegant than any of the other solutions. Rather than shipping 50 broken or ill-conceived features they would rather ship five really good ones and mature into the remaining ones that make sense. If you can't appreciate that, there are plenty of other companies that will happily give you devices with feature lists that look like someone jammed a bunch of pieces of paper in a shot gun, fired it at a wall and picked the stuff that stuck.
You can choose that, I would rather have another choice.
why are mobile phones different than the free and open environment of the desktop pc?
No one said they all have to be, certainly not Apple. Go knock yourself out with Android! Seriously - have fun! There are plenty of other alternatives and Apple isn't out there actively trying to stomp them down.
However, Apple decided they
were going to offer something different (hmm, Different - they seemed to have had some grammatically incorrect slogan centered around the word different too) They exploited the creation of a new platform (with fewer preconceived notions as to how it should behave) to introduce a new paradigm.
For some reason, some people seem to insist it's all or nothing - Appstore or "Open" - that the two models can't co-exist and serve different purposes. I say that's absolutely ridiculous. Indeed, I have no doubt that at some point in the future Apple will offer laptops and desktops with iOS as well as
Mac OSX. Whether it's next year or a couple of years it's just a matter of time. I also think it's ridiculous that people are insisting that Apple release an "open" iPhone or iPad. Just like they don't play in the netbook space, they don't play in that space either. It's crazy to expect them to be all things to all people.
There is a huge
target demographic that will welcome the iOS on desktops and laptops with open arms. It will be functional, it will do exactly what they want with minimal fuss or "computing" overhead and it will serve their purposes. It won't be a computer, it will be a tool. A real information appliance. Many people seem to be blind to this as a real pent-up demand, claiming that there is no market for such devices since people already have computers. Well no kidding - right now all personal computing models are the same! There's no real choice! Not everyone wants a general purpose computer, it's just that up until recently they were the only choice! If someone wanted an appliance computing model, where were they going to get it? The old WebTV? There's an example of an appliance done wrong. It doesn't mean the whole concept is junk - it just means that instance was a crap implementation.
Then you get the techno geeks. The ones that take the mere existence of such a model as a personal affront. How Dare They! How Dare Apple Take Something Special and Trivialize It for those... those... USERS! The elitism is particularly ironic given that charge is leveled at Apple users constantly. I also have no doubt that there will be a large cadre of these vocal techie geeks that will see it as the end of the world as we know it. The utter intolerance for the mere existence
of a computing model contrary to their ideals is simply irrational.
Here's the crazy part that makes the protesting, hand wringing, weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth so rediculous - the existence of the iOS won't kill the Mac nor will it stop Windows, Linux or Android from still being options. I sincerely doubt Apple will screw with jailbreakers. If they wanted to, Apple could have really messed with jailbreakers in hardware in the 3Gs, iPhone 4 or iPad ala the DirectTV Tivos that require physical modification (desoldering and replacing a boot ROM) to jailbreak. Other than for fraudulent warranty claims, I think Apple could give two whits about jailbreakers.
The mere existence if the iOS isn't evil. The mere existence of the iOS isn't limiting choice. That's the real irony - the existence of the iOS is a new choice
. It's a widely deployed computing model that never existed before. It may not be the best fit for you, butwhat gives the critics of the iOS the right of denying someone who doesn't want a general purpose computer the choice to use a different model?
That's the blatant hypocrisy of many of the iOS detractors that is just so crazy. If you are really for choice than you won't campaign against something just because you don't agree with the philosophy behind it. You may criticize it, but trying to stop people from using it by telling them not to buy it or suing Apple to try to force them to "comply"? Really? Sheesh!
They are right about one thing. The iOS will change things over time. It will shift the balance of "power". Normal people will be able to compute on their own without the reliance on techies, anti-virus software and the whole cottage industry that surrounds the support of general purpose computers (including Macs). There's the real crux of the matter. Fear of change mixed with a portion of irrelevancy. Tis a bitter potion indeed!