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post #121 of 155
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Originally Posted by no_more_BS View Post

Do you get a 10 year Warranty for replacement from any of those companies, Also is their chargers 10X more Power Efficient then Apples.

Answer for both NO.

Piece of mind for a few dollars is worth it, 10 years is 10 years, if they fail you get a free replacement from Apple.

Sure it's worth it.

For the haters you could package 10 batteries and they still would find something to squawk about thats Anti Apple.

You don't have to buy Apples offering it is an Accessory and that gives you Choice.

Note: MJ Web,
This is not a Attack on you, You made valid points, Allot of posters that seem to think they are being railroaded into buying this charger and ridiculing, but none have posted the benefit's and service you get when you purchase an Apple Branded product. This post was Addressing those issues and not your observations directly.

Both Apple and Sanyo batteries have a one year warranty and I believe Apple is a rebranded Eneloop. Would you really have the Chutzpah to walk into an Apple store with a 9 year old battery and a receipt and insist on a replacement?
post #122 of 155
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

You know it's gone to shit when there's a 100+ post thread on an Apple fan site arguing the relative merits of a battery charger.

Cant argue with that. On that note Ill let hillstones stick his foot in his mouth one last time.
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post #123 of 155
It is more expensive then Eneloop. I think the Apple one will be the new Eneloop with 1500 charge circle.

I dont know if the Amazon 's one are the new, if they are then apple is charging $8- 10 for their Low Power Charger.
post #124 of 155
Because THAT is what they DO, their niche! Especially considering Apple's other rechargeables are Lithium-based.

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Why would they need to report that?
post #125 of 155
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Originally Posted by libertyforall View Post

Because THAT is what they DO, their niche! Especially considering Apple's other rechargeables are Lithium-based.

Explain that to us again. what is that, they and do?

Regarding Apples other batteries, they clearly show the devices that use Li-ion batteries and state that these AA are NiMH batteries so I have no idea what issue you are taking with Apple over a lack of disclosure you think the average customers needs and wants.
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post #126 of 155
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post #127 of 155
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

you should calm your ass down

You are one MAJOR ASSHOLE! Just shut the fuck up already! Shit for brains.
post #128 of 155
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If you scroll down to "New Lineup of eneloop Chargers youll see four bay chargers that offer "Triple-speed charging for one battery and double-speed charging for two batteries.

You will also notice that product isn't on the market yet. I admit to not doing a lot of research, but I have been unable to find a charger other then Apple's that can charge one battery at a time.
post #129 of 155
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Originally Posted by MJ Web View Post

Both Apple and Sanyo batteries have a one year warranty and I believe Apple is a rebranded Eneloop. Would you really have the Chutzpah to walk into an Apple store with a 9 year old battery and a receipt and insist on a replacement?

Apple doesn't require receipts, so I would expect to ride in on my segway in 9 years with just the batteries. Although I doubt many would bother by then. In 9 years Apple keyboards and mice will be powered by your body heat, so no need.
post #130 of 155
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Originally Posted by gin_tonic View Post

$29 for a charger with unknown parameters? No, thanks
Look at La Crosse 9009. One of the best charger in the world:
- smart charging (best charging algorithm in the world)
- charges AAA and AA batteries
- charges AAA and AA at the same time
- charges up to 4 batteries
- has temperature contol
- comes with 4 AAA and 4 AA batteries and 4 C- and 4 D-size battery adapters
- comes with travel bag
- bought for $36 at Amazon

It looks nice, but it is actually $45 on amazon and normally costs $90. They all have temp control and the smart charging algorithm is for NiCADs. It doesn't say anything about energy efficiency. It also doesn't say if the included batteries keep a charge for long periods of time. So there are a lot more unknown parameters here.
post #131 of 155
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

This is one of the lamest Apple products ever made. That said, it will sell. Many people out there will think they need the Apple charger to go with their Mighty Mouse or whatever.

I will buy one. Six decent low self-drain rechargeables at $29 is a reasonable price, and the projected 10 year lifetime is worth investigating.

The lamest Apple products ever released were the iPod Socks.
post #132 of 155
what is it with apple and $29?
post #133 of 155
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

Yeah that doesn't sound too good, especially when they take 6 hours for each set. I really like the slow discharge though - I got cheap high Amp rechargeable batteries but they have awful discharge rates. They almost discharge all at the same time whether in use or not give or take a week or two.

The price here is also competitive. If they were as competitive with the international Mac Mini pricing, I'd be making two purchases. Sadly not, so £25 batteries it is.

Tip: Store in coldest part of refrigerator or top shelf of the freezer. Drops the self discharge rate of normal Nimh batteries to around a 2-3 percent per week. Allow the batteries to assume room temperature before use.

These new slow self discharge batteries are even better, loosing only a few percent per month at room temperature.
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post #134 of 155
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but there are wall outlets that contain USB recharging sockets. No recharger required.

Good point, though from what I've seen they usually have to be installed in place of a normal power point.

I also think it would be fantastic if Apple put a USB plug on this, then it would make it the perfect under desk accessory to plug into an iphone dock and always have a couple of charged batteries handy.
post #135 of 155
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It's true! Sticking the prongs between your fingers doen't charge the batteries as quickly as sticking them into the wall socket.

Ha! LOL!

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post #136 of 155
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

I will buy one. Six decent low self-drain rechargeables at $29 is a reasonable price, and the projected 10 year lifetime* is worth investigating.

The lamest Apple products ever released were the iPod Socks.

"Based on designed cycle life and anticipated user scenario" - which I would respectfully suggest is to power keyboards, mouse and trackpads. I'm not sure it would be ten years if you're powering RC cars with them, despite the blurb.
post #137 of 155
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post #138 of 155
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Originally Posted by rtm135 View Post

what is it with apple and $29?

$29 for a batter charger and 6 AA batteries is MUCH better than $29 for a piece of rubber to wrap around your phone.
post #139 of 155
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

It looks nice but I can't help but feel that Apple blew it on the design of this thing. It really should have included at least one USB port for charging devices like the iPad or iPhone.

-kpluck


You need to understand that what Apple leave OUT of its products is its real genius.

No USB port - it is not DESIGNED to include a USB port.
Only 2 Batteries - Apple products only USE two batteries.
No fast charge - you don't NEED a fast charge.

If they included any of these things, it would not have been so insanely great as a charger.
post #140 of 155
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Originally Posted by Superbass View Post

Who uses AA batteries anymore btw? I've had a logitech mouse and wireless headset with built-in rechargeable batteries going strong for about 4 years now... Besides 9 volts in the smoke detector and distortion pedals, I think i'm basically removeable-battery free.


If you buy a Magic Mouse and a wireless keyboard, you will be able to use the charger too. And then you can keep the additional two batteries fully charged.

Simple.
post #141 of 155
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Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post

Recharge only 2 batteries at a time? No thanks.


They give you six batteries. You keep 4 of them in your Apple devices, and tow of them nice and fresh.

Two is the perfect number; that is why Steve chose 2. And it lessens the vampire draw. That is pure innovation.
post #142 of 155
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but there are wall outlets that contain USB recharging sockets. No recharger required.


But then Apple would need to put ugly USB ports on their devices.

This way is better.
post #143 of 155
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

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I've actually got a charger that charges 4 AA or AAA batteries, and it has a USB port for charging USB devices. And the real trick, if you are away from an AC source, you can use the charged batteries, or any disposable batteries, to power the USB port and charge your iPod, phone, etc.


Can you tell us the brand and model number?
post #144 of 155
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Methinks the designers assumed rather a bit too much in terms of usage scenarios for this product.

They are looking forwards, and not backwards. I predict that with this charger available, manufacturers will standardize on two battery systems. Any other number of batteries other than two AA will become obsolete very quickly.
post #145 of 155
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

iMagic.

iMagic! I love it!
post #146 of 155
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

I've actually got a charger that charges 4 AA or AAA batteries, and it has a USB port for charging USB devices. And the real trick, if you are away from an AC source, you can use the charged batteries, or any disposable batteries, to power the USB port and charge your iPod, phone, etc.

Have you actually tried this device with the iPod and iPhone? In my experience, these devices cap the current at 500mA or just below 500mA, which is not enough to charge Apple devices.

I've got a power bar that has 4x500mA USB ports. None of the ports can charge an Apple device, not even the iPod Shuffle, though they can charge every other peripheral I've thrown at them. I'm relegated to using a 1A dedicated USB charger and leaving the 4 built-in USB ports unused.
post #147 of 155
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


Personally, I would rather save a few bucks with high-rated off brand since the charger would be spending most of its life in a draw, not plugged into wall unless needed to recharge a couple batteries for a night once every couple months.


You get what you pay for. Get the Apple charger.
post #148 of 155
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

Can you tell us the brand and model number?

-> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...cm_cr_asin_lnk
I found this one at my local King Soopers grocery store for ~$12.
Has a USB port which allows you to power/charge USB devices. Also has a jack for a 12VDC adapter to charge the batteries.
The charger is a "smart" charger which allows you to charge 1-4 batteries all independently and at the correct levels.
Duracell Precharged are simply relableled Eneloops. Work great and last a long time.

This is the exact same model but comes with a 12VDC cigarette lighter adapter.
-> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...cm_cr_asin_lnk

Look around and you can probably find them easily for less than $20. (Target,Walmart, gorcery stores, discount stores, etc.)

The charger is much more important than the batteries as a crappy charger will destroy any batteries you have.
post #149 of 155
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

a flipping charger that seems to be better than any other charger Ive seen on the market. .


Then why are you planning to buy a cheap knock-off?
post #150 of 155
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Have you actually tried this device with the iPod and iPhone? In my experience, these devices cap the current at 500mA or just below 500mA, which is not enough to charge Apple devices.

I've got a power bar that has 4x500mA USB ports. None of the ports can charge an Apple device, not even the iPod Shuffle, though they can charge every other peripheral I've thrown at them. I'm relegated to using a 1A dedicated USB charger and leaving the 4 built-in USB ports unused.

One of the reviews on Amazon:

"But the main reason I bought this was to see if it worked with the iPhone, and it does! Take your USB iPhone or iPod cable and plug it into the USB plug and the other end to your iPhone and your good to go! It will charge your iPhone at least 2 or 3 times on one set of (4) batteries. For us iPhone users who don't have the option of having a spare battery, this comes in very handy."

That answers my question. It does look like a nice device, though I'm happy with my GP smart charger and I have a MiLi Power Crystal for my iDevices.
post #151 of 155
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Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post

-> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...cm_cr_asin_lnk
I found this one at my local King Soopers grocery store for ~$12.
Has a USB port which allows you to power/charge USB devices. Also has a jack for a 12VDC adapter to charge the batteries.
The charger is a "smart" charger which allows you to charge 1-4 batteries all independently and at the correct levels.
Duracell Precharged are simply relableled Eneloops. Work great and last a long time.

This is the exact same model but comes with a 12VDC cigarette lighter adapter.
-> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...cm_cr_asin_lnk

Look around and you can probably find them easily for less than $20. (Target,Walmart, gorcery stores, discount stores, etc.)

The charger is much more important than the batteries as a crappy charger will destroy any batteries you have.

That would have saved my bacon last weekend - I was camping and my iPhone went dead due to lousy reception. I wish Apple made a AA outboard iPhone recharger.
post #152 of 155
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Originally Posted by Kibitzer View Post

Don't know which is more pointless - reading this thread or watching the House of Representatives floor proceedings on C-SPAN. I know ... I'll go and wait for some paint to dry ...

Yes, but it does give Google a chance to put "battery" ads at the bottom of each page.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with using a USB product. Unfortunately, I would have to go some place else to get a decent USB mouse. Apple has no clue. While the Apple keyboard works, it is far from perfect as well.
post #153 of 155
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

Have you actually tried this device with the iPod and iPhone? In my experience, these devices cap the current at 500mA or just below 500mA, which is not enough to charge Apple devices.

I've got a power bar that has 4x500mA USB ports. None of the ports can charge an Apple device, not even the iPod Shuffle, though they can charge every other peripheral I've thrown at them. I'm relegated to using a 1A dedicated USB charger and leaving the 4 built-in USB ports unused.

Apparently Apple do some wonky things with resistors on the USB data lines to manage current draw based on what the iPhones sees it is connected to.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/mi...rging-methods/
post #154 of 155
Assuming it is that. So that would suggest you can use Eneloop USB charger with them too?

I have 4 AC Eneloop charger + 2 USB Charger and 6 Eneloop batteries

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Originally Posted by ksec View Post

It is more expensive then Eneloop. I think the Apple one will be the new Eneloop with 1500 charge circle.

I dont know if the Amazon 's one are the new, if they are then apple is charging $8- 10 for their Low Power Charger.
post #155 of 155
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

Apparently Apple do some wonky things with resistors on the USB data lines to manage current draw based on what the iPhones sees it is connected to.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/08/mi...rging-methods/

That would make sense, but it seems much simpler than that. It seems that once you give the USB port enough power, the data lines don't matter at all.

In Hong Kong, these things are a dime a dozen, generally in white or black:



They come with either a 500mA or a 1000mA current rating. In all other ways they appear to be exactly the same.

The 500mA devices don't work with the iPhone. The 1000mA devices do.
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