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post #41 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

So it only charges two batteries at a time? Doesn't do much good for the owners of the original Apple Aluminum Wireless Keyboard (or White Wireless Keyboard) that uses THREE batteries.

Technology moves on. No manufacturer supports its old tech.
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post #42 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by johnmcboston View Post

You know, if you unplug the thing form the wall it takes zero milliwatts... Do folks really leave chargers plugged in after a set of batteries has charged?

All the time.

My old fashioned charger takes more than 20 hours to charge batteries. It frequently finishes in the middle of the night or while I'm away at work. Do you sit there watching your charger all day so you can unplug it the moment it's done?
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post #43 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by dpackman View Post

Now all we need to do is carry this wall outlet with us when traveling and change out whatever we find in our hotel room.

I'm sure you think that was funny, but people mostly use their rechargers at home.
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post #44 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

I don't know if you guys are aware of this, but there are wall outlets that contain USB recharging sockets. No recharger required.

And not one of the many I've ever seen holds a steady >550mA current and can charge any recent iPod or iPhone. They can charge my cellphone and a few other accessories though.
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post #45 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

I've been using both Energizer 2500mWh and generic 2000mWh batteries in my camera. Both of them seem to die very quickly just sitting my in camera bag. Seems like I need to invest in some Sanyos.

My guess is that you do not have LSD batteries, but rather standard NiMH batteries. I could be wrong, but I don't think you can get 2500 mWh LSD batteries. If that is the case, yes, they will do dead in just a few months even if they aren't used.

Most major manufacturers (Duracell, Rayovac, Sony, etc) now make LSD batteries, and they all perform similarly so get whatever is cheapest, which is usually the Eneloops. But you won't find those at Target, you'll have to go online or maybe a camera store.
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post #46 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

I'm surprised Apple didn't call them "Magic Batteries."

yeah, there's a little too much iMagic coming out of cupertino lately. next the MagicMac will replace the iMac, the MagicBook will replace the MacBook, and the MagicPhone will replace the iPhone.
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post #47 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:24pm
I've had my energizers in the mighty mouse for about 3 years now. Max charge - 50%. That said the batteries still work for a very long time, something like 2-3 months vs about 6 that I would get when I first got the batteries.

I don't know how to measure useful life, but I doubt these batteries will last me another 7 years, so I suspect apple cooked up some special formula for its batteries.

The price is not too bad either. I bought 4 rechargeables for something like $11 and the charger for another $5 for a grand total of $16. If we add two more batteries we get to $22, which is awful close to $29 I believe apple is selling these for. Considering their longevity it might be a better deal.
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post #48 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

All the time.

My old fashioned charger takes more than 20 hours to charge batteries. It frequently finishes in the middle of the night or while I'm away at work. Do you sit there watching your charger all day so you can unplug it the moment it's done?

no, do you leave your charger plugged in even when it's NOT charging batteries?
[i'm pretty sure that's what he was asking]
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post #49 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by desarc View Post

yeah, there's a little too much iMagic coming out of cupertino lately. next the MagicMac will replace the iMac, the MagicBook will replace the MacBook, and the MagicPhone will replace the iPhone.

And after that we will get the Mickey Mouse and Mac Minnie. Disney is taking over Apple.
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post #50 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:29pm
Just so you know - Sanyo chargers will ONLY work in pairs. (ie, 2 batteries at a time)
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post #51 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post

Recharge only 2 batteries at a time? No thanks.

Yeah that doesn't sound too good, especially when they take 6 hours for each set. I really like the slow discharge though - I got cheap high Amp rechargeable batteries but they have awful discharge rates. They almost discharge all at the same time whether in use or not give or take a week or two.

The price here is also competitive. If they were as competitive with the international Mac Mini pricing, I'd be making two purchases. Sadly not, so £25 batteries it is.
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post #52 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:31pm
These are likely to be related to the sanyo eneloop battery.

Only thing is guys, eneloops have been out for 5 years and have always claimed 1000 recharges, but recently they have been updated to a new design with improved self discharge and 1500 recharge cycles. Since apple claims only 1000, I would venture a guess that these are the old eneloops.

I also think eneloops white design actually look more apple like than apples own batteries!
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post #53 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

You don't have kids, do you?

We have 2 4-AA chargers and sometimes they're both in use. Sometimes only one. Rarely is no battery being charged. It seems like every silly little toy requires batteries these days.

Battery chargers are not necessarily better environmentally speaking unless you use them correctly. Leaving them plugged into the wall outlet beyond the time required to charge the batteries is a waste of electricity. This also applies to all kinds of wall wart type power supplies and phone chargers. When not in use, you should unplug them. Also most rechargeable AA batteries are not really suitable for high drain devices such as motorized toys, but they are appropriate for keyboards and mice etc. Battery recycling is also an important part of ecological responsibility.

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post #54 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

It looks nice but I can't help but feel that Apple blew it on the design of this thing. It really should have included at least one USB port for charging devices like the iPad or iPhone.

-kpluck

Intentional, it would have cannibalized sales of their chargers.
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post #55 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No more energy has been spent in designing and building this recharger than any other.

How would you know?

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What kind of misunderstanding do you have here?

I understand you have a bias to promote the Apple party line, even when it's of laughable significance.

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Your money argument is absurd. That's not the real reason for this, though some people will be swayed by even saving 5 cents a year.

Don't look all ignorant now. It's all about money.

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You have no understanding of the concept of green energy devices.

I understand more than you. Apple's charger isn't worth writing home about. If you want to do something for the environment, buy rechargeable batteries to power your environmentally destructive computer components and look for other, far more significant ways to conserve energy.
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post #56 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by bdkennedy1 View Post

Apple could have saved space in the Magic Mouse and Magic TrackPad if the batteries were permanent and not user replaceable. After 2 months of use, you would have to send it back to Apple for replacement batteries for $49.

Well, except that logitech does this for their mice and OH they were clever enough to make them RECHARGABLE. Keyboards too, I believe.
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post #57 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I basically agree, but for the record, most of the Apple wireless keyboards sold to date use three batteries, not two and it's reasonable to assume that people have other products besides Apple products that need AA batteries.

I understand totally why Apple did it the way they did, but it's not without it's drawbacks and gotchas. Being an owner of a three battery keyboard that's still practically brand new, I would certainly prefer that Apple went with the more standard 6 battery charger.

Methinks the designers assumed rather a bit too much in terms of usage scenarios for this product.

I have been using Sanyo's eneloop as well as a pair of Sony's cycle energy for over a year now. They all are pretty much the same product honestly and I just get the ones that I can find on sale at the moment. Any regular NiMH charger will do for any of those and will also do for Apple's. However, as recommended in this excellent review, it is probably better to avoid fast chargers if you want your batteries to last longer. Sanyo has a 4-batterie charger that will do both AAA and AA so people needing more batteries can simply get one of those. I use a Sony Cycle energy 2-batterie charger at the moment when I travel but Apple's charger is more compact and has the added convenience of the removeable prong connector for travelling overseas. I will probably get the Apple charger next time I need an extra 6 batteries.
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post #58 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

You don't have kids, do you?

We have 2 4-AA chargers and sometimes they're both in use. Sometimes only one. Rarely is no battery being charged. It seems like every silly little toy requires batteries these days.

You make a strong argument for not having them.
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post #59 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

All the time.

My old fashioned charger takes more than 20 hours to charge batteries. It frequently finishes in the middle of the night or while I'm away at work. Do you sit there watching your charger all day so you can unplug it the moment it's done?

Not "The moment" it's done, no. But the difference in power consumption of the device being plugged in for an extra half a day is negligible... They as copy make it seem like people leave their chargers plugged in 24/7 no matter what. If you were that concerned about 'vampire' power usage, you could just unplug the charger once charging is done.
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post #60 of 155
8/3/10 at 12:58pm
[QUOTE=Foo2;1689113]You do understand the difference between a watt and a milliwatt, don't you?{/QUOTE]

Obviously.

You see, unlike you, I have a scientific education and understand what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

The real benefits to the environment would seem to be Apple's promotion of rechargeables, not its charger.

No, the real benefit is that Apple is taking the lead in being environmentally friendly. It's not about any one thing. It's about reduced packaging. It's about reduction or elimination in chemical use. It's about miniaturization (less materials used). It's about energy efficient devices (like the Mini which is EXTREMELY low energy consumption for a desktop computer).

You may think that the world has endless resources, but most people understand that the planet is finite. Even if you think there's a 1,000 year supply of fossil fuels and that global warming will never happen, the more fossil fuels we use, the more money we have to send to mostly terrorist countries. There is no excuse for wasting energy and resources. Even if you've only saving a few watts, multiply that by a few billion people (or even a few hundred million in the US) and the savings can be immense.


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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

No more energy has been spent in designing and building this recharger than any other. What kind of misunderstanding do you have here?

Probably less. Loos at the size of Apple's charger vs the average battery charger. The less metal and plastic you use, the less impact on the environment (everything else being equal, of course). Batteries with a 10 year life have 1/2 the environmental impact of similar batteries with a 5 year life. And so on.
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post #61 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

(The problem gets resolved if you stick your finger in the socket, though).

Btw, I got mine too, yesterday, and love it.

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post #62 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:09pm
This is one of the lamest Apple products ever made. That said, it will sell. Many people out there will think they need the Apple charger to go with their Mighty Mouse or whatever.
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post #63 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Technology moves on. No manufacturer supports its old tech.

My 3 battery bluetooth keyboard works just fine. Should I pitch it just because Apple has a new 2 battery keyboard? They are more than welcome (Apple) to send me one for free, consider all the hell they have put me through with the POS Apple mouse.

In my opinion, Apple has done nothing new here. I have batteries and a charger from Radio Shack that are two years old. The battery ratings are pretty much the same. The charger is a 2+2 unit.

Like previously stated, they are 1.2 volts, and you never get more than a 2/3 rating from Mac OS. I get only 3 weeks from the mouse, and 6 weeks from the keyboard.

The "other" products used with PCs, can go 6 months with the mouse, and a year with the keyboard.

Nope, Apple has done nothing new and exciting here.

TrackPad is sexy (maybe) but does it blend?
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post #64 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by kpluck View Post

It looks nice but I can't help but feel that Apple blew it on the design of this thing. It really should have included at least one USB port for charging devices like the iPad or iPhone.

At first glance I thought your idea sounded good but then I thought about what Apple intends this to be used with. Since its designed for their wireless accessories for their Macs which already have USB ports that are likely much more conveniently placed I can see why they would forego adding one to this charger.
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post #65 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

You may think that the world has endless resources, but most people understand that the planet is finite.

OMG.
Your reaction to my calling out Apple for the overhyping of an incredibly meager feature is absolutely pitiful. You could be directing your energy somewhere else far more productive, except of course you've got a lot to lose with AAPL.
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post #66 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

Like previously stated, they are 1.2 volts, and you never get more than a 2/3 rating from Mac OS. I get only 3 weeks from the mouse, and 6 weeks from the keyboard.

The "other" products used with PCs, can go 6 months with the mouse, and a year with the keyboard.

Nope, Apple has done nothing new and exciting here.

Your comment seems to imply that Apples accessories are less power efficient than other accessories. If so, could you explain why you think that is.
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post #67 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Unless you have devices that take more than 2 batteries at a time, it's unlikely you need to charge more than that at once. Although, it's possible that 2 devices will have their batteries run down at exactly the same time, it's not likely to happen very frequently. Apple's AA devices each now take 2 batteries -- and, obviously, their motivation is to make a charger for use with your Apple devices -- so recharging 2 at a time seems entirely reasonable, otherwise, you are paying for charger capacity that you aren't using most of the time.

I have multiple devices that are using recharable batteries, some of which use more than two AA batteries. I have spare charged batteries that are used to replace those that are drained and then recharge batteries in "batches." Yes, if you only have one device using two batteries, good on you. But for those of us with more, a charger that only handles two at a time falls short.
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post #68 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Foo2 View Post

OMG.
Your reaction to my calling out Apple for the overhyping of an incredibly meager feature is absolutely pitiful. You could be directing your energy somewhere else far more productive, except of course you've got a lot to lose with AAPL.

IOW, you have nothing intelligent to say and can't support your whining, so you'll attack the messenger. As usual.

Overhyping? That's drivel - even for you. The first I heard of this charger and batteries was on this site. Where is Apple hyping it (much less 'overhyping' it)?
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post #69 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by StLBluesFan View Post

I have multiple devices that are using recharable batteries, some of which use more than two AA batteries. I have spare charged batteries that are used to replace those that are drained and then recharge batteries in "batches." Yes, if you only have one device using two batteries, good on you. But for those of us with more, a charger that only handles two at a time falls short.

Your comment makes no sense to me. If you have spare batteries then what is the problem?

For example, the 3 batteries in you keyboard dies, you replace them with 3 of your spares and then put 2 or the three in the charger. The next day you put those charged batteries away and charge the remaining battery.

If you dont want to have spare batteries and you expect all your devices to fail at once then I dont understand that either. You can buy multiple chargers or by a different charger. These are AA sized batteries, there is no requirement to use the Apple charger with Apple accessories, which by the way all currently use two AA batteries.
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post #70 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

IOW, you have nothing intelligent to say and can't support your whining, so you'll attack the messenger. As usual.

Overhyping? That's drivel - even for you. The first I heard of this charger and batteries was on this site. Where is Apple hyping it (much less 'overhyping' it)?

I've been attacked for pointing out that the typical savings afforded by Apple's charger is about 25 cents per year for many consumers, assuming they leave the charger plugged in the whole time. Fact. Must have caught you and some others by surprise that 300 mW isn't much power at all, particularly compared to other ways people could be saving energy. I would guess Apple expects some people to equate mW with mA. If we were talking 300 mA, then that translates to some serious power consumption. I can't explain the overreaction any other way. 300mW is no reason at all to buy Apple's charger.

You're not following Apple very closely if you heard about it first on AI.
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post #71 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:46pm
Invest in a camera if you are going to do a review with pictures!! Not your cell phone cam. Looks like you were testing your camera's night vision capabilities!
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post #72 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple's pricing is competitive, and better than many competing options available today.


LOL. 6AA and a 2-battery charger for $29, competitive?
I just bought the new redesigned 1500-cycle Eneloop kit from Costco for $25, which included 8 AA, 4 AAA, and one 4-battery charger.
Amazingly small 30mA standby power? Yeah right.
If you like to leave the charger and batteries plugged in even after the battery is full, and congratulations. Like the other member pointed out, it saves you $0.5 over 10 years.
If you truly care about the environment and safety, you would unplug the charger and batteries after charging. If they are LSD like Eneloop, who needs to keep them plugged in after charging?
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post #73 of 155
8/3/10 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

I see you managed to miss the point - as usual.

If there's no additional cost or environmental load to manufacture Apple's chargers, that's a free energy savings - since the price is competitive. If a billion people save 315 mw on this - and then start thinking about other places they can save energy - it could add up.

It's easy to say "I can only save 100 W per fixture by using energy efficient bulbs. Multiply that by 20 fixtures in your house, 5 hours of use per day, and 6 billion people and it could save an enormous amount of energy and pollution.

It doesn't matter if you're concerned about global warming or concerned about sending money to terrorist countries, using less energy is smart.

If it was 6 billion it would matter, but I'm guessing 10 million max for the apple sales of these things. So thats 0.5x10 000 000 = 5 million dollars over 10 years. 500k per year for the whole human race if it were to run them 24x7 every each one of the buyers. Is not a lot, but it adds up if you have 10 other devices in your house that has fantom draw, you can actully add 3 billion to that 10 other devices assuming average of 2 person per house hold. Then it would be saving around 300 x 5 million dollars/0.1 = 15 billion dollars in 10 years.
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post #74 of 155
8/3/10 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Your comment seems to imply that Apple’s accessories are less power efficient than “other” accessories. If so, could you explain why you think that is.

Two fold: My experience suggests bluetooth is not as efficient as IR. Also, since IR devices last so long, I see no need to use rechargeable batteries. For Apple to begin selling rechargeable batteries and a charger, easily suggests the need.

My old HP Pavilion, with Windows Me, came with a wireless keyboard and mouse. I installed the included batteries, and never considered using rechargeable ones. Just like I'd never consider using rechargeable batteries in my Comcast remote. Some 18 months later, it still works fine.

Yes, I do properly recycle my old dead batteries. So I remain green.

EDIT: This product has been around for a while:

http://www.ccrane.com/more-categorie...y-charger.aspx
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8/3/10 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

Two fold: My experience suggests bluetooth is not as efficient as IR. Also, since IR devices last so long, I see no need to use rechargeable batteries. For Apple to begin selling rechargeable batteries and a charger, easily suggests the need.

My old HP Pavilion, with Windows Me, came with a wireless keyboard and mouse. I installed the included batteries, and never considered using rechargeable ones. Just like I'd never consider using rechargeable batteries in my Comcast remote. Some 18 months later, it still works fine.

Yes, I do properly recycle my old dead batteries. So I remain green.

I dont think anyone would disagree with IR being more power efficient than Bluetooth, but I still dont get how that related to the topic at hand, or why you included these other devices as lasting so long without stating the technology they were using. You even seem to imply that if its used with Macs it wont last as long as with non-Mac PCs, which makes no sense since you can use IR with Macs and Bluetooth with non-Mac PCs.

On top of that, melgrosss reply to hillstones is on point. Technology and companies move on.

I think its odd that anyone would think they cant use their three AA Apple Wireless Keyboard with the Apple charger, theyd have to get a new keyboard to use it, or that they couldnt buy a different charger that held more batteries and/or battery charging stations if they absolutely needed it.
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post #76 of 155
8/3/10 at 3:08pm
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I dont think anyone would disagree with IR being more power efficient than Bluetooth, but I still dont get how that related to the topic at hand, or why you included these other devices as lasting so long without stating the technology they were using. You even seem to imply that if its used with Macs it wont last as long as with non-Mac PCs, which makes no sense since you can use IR with Macs and Bluetooth with non-Mac PCs.

On top of that, melgrosss reply to hillstones is on point. Technology and companies move on.

I think its odd that anyone would think they cant use their three AA Apple Wireless Keyboard with the Apple charger, theyd have to get a new keyboard to use it, or that they couldnt buy a different charger that held more batteries and/or battery charging stations if they absolutely needed it.

If Apple wanted to be slick, they would be selling a 4 battery device, that does not need to charge 2+2. That would be something new and useful for us 3 battery people. As for what technology they were using, how the hell do I know. My old HP had a device that plugged into a USB port. It transmitted data to and from the keyboard and mouse. The newer HPs suggest not using rechargeable batteries. If in fact, Apple has 1.5 volt batteries, I would be interested.

To stay on track with the thread, I will simply say again, nothing new here.
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8/3/10 at 3:23pm
$29 for a charger with unknown parameters? No, thanks
Look at La Crosse 9009. One of the best charger in the world:
- smart charging (best charging algorithm in the world)
- charges AAA and AA batteries
- charges AAA and AA at the same time
- charges up to 4 batteries
- has temperature contol
- comes with 4 AAA and 4 AA batteries and 4 C- and 4 D-size battery adapters
- comes with travel bag
- bought for $36 at Amazon
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8/3/10 at 3:29pm
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you make a strong argument for not having them.

Off Topic.
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8/3/10 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Booga View Post

Yeah, these are probably essentially Sanyo Enerloop batteries repackaged. I was clued into these last year by a photographer friend of mine who swears by them for his camera flashes-- holds tons of juice and always ready when you need it.

This is what I am thinking as well. Does anyone have a pictures of just the tops of the batteries so I can compare to my Eneloops?

I've been using them for a few months now and the charge is going strong. My Maha 9000 charger can test for battery capacity and after about 30ish charge cycles I am at 1950ish mAh from an original 2000 mAh. Supposedly, the Eneloops can also last 1000 charge cycles.

New Eleloops can last 1500 and stay above 1750 mAh.

candlepowerforums.com is a good place to read up on the different battery technologies if anyone is interested.

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8/3/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by WPLJ42 View Post

If Apple wanted to be slick, they would be selling a 4 battery device, that does not need to charge 2+2.

Why? Explain your reasoning why an accessory that needs two batteries to fuction would need a charger with four bays to recharge two batteries.

Are you under some impression that accessories use their power at exactly the same interval or that charging time is so excessive that their would be constant overlaping needs? Are you not aware of how long between charges an Apple accessory is likely to go between charges with these batteries or that Mac OS X will inform you when your Apple keyboard, mouse or trackpad is running low on power so you have plenty of time to plan for a battery swap or charging of those batteries before reusing?

Personally, I would rather save a few bucks with high-rated off brand since the charger would be spending most of its life in a draw, not plugged into wall unless needed to recharge a couple batteries for a night once every couple months.
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