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post #121 of 273
8/4/10 at 7:23pm
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Android is only partly open source, part proprietary code. The parts important to Google are proprietary. If you're going to get into bed with them you ought to at least know who's sticking it to you when they do.

Agreed to a point. But they're far more open source than Apple is. The deepest parts of the code are protected but the vast majority is not. The most important part is that manufacturers don't pay for licensing and anyone can modify the OS through rooting and custom ROMs. In addition, rooting an Android device is far more beneficial for the user than jailbreaking is for the iPhone user.

And, as an aside, (not at you), please stop with the "fragmentation" argument. There's fragmentation everywhere. Look at the latest iOS update on the iPhone 3G. It's a DISASTER!!!! The anti-Android/pro-iPhone users have created the illusion of fragmentation to scare off those who might be interested in the OS. It's not unlike Fox News with it's purported "fair and balanced" crap.
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post #122 of 273
8/4/10 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Won't no one answer to the absurd amount of lies and disinformation spread by the self-named troll of the thread?

- To accuse iPhone of fragmentation?!? Really? When their form factor is practically the same from day one and they are all upgraded in software on the spot, regardless of carrier's "mood" towards their clients? Is this even remotely comparable? Hardware is utterly different in android phones, all around, from form factor, specs, capabilities, touch-screen types and qualities, screen res, oh boy I can go on forever;
- To state that iPhone developers are "evading" teh iOS towards android? COME ON, that's the biggest bullshit I can ever imagine, for many reasons, most of them being stated thus far.

If this guy isn't a google worker, he is simply a deluded freak. And he dares to call himself rational. How insulting to anyone with a working brain.

Actually, by the definition of some here, fragmentation of iOS is in several parts:

Different platforms: iPod, iPhone, iPad

Different hardware features: iPhone Edge, iPhone 3g, iPhone 3gs, iPhone 4, iPod Touch 1G, iPod Touch 2G, iPad 1.0

Inability of old devices to use new programs with newer features such as GPS, gyroscope, 8.5" screen

Different screen resolutions. Front-facing cameras. Different camera resolutions. Different screen sizes. Different hardware speeds.


That, by definition of these boards, is fragmentation. I don't agree with it. But that's what people on here define it as.
Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

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post #123 of 273
8/4/10 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

As for those BoGo deals, it appears they're seriously working well for Verizon given that the phone might be 'free', but still requires both activation and a new contract -

Not that great for the manufacturers' bottom line, however.

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This is not the end of Apple. If the iPhone hits Verizon (or Sprint + TMobile, which will be a similar additional marketshare) within the next year, they can still choke off Android. However, Apple is really letting go of many opportunities here.

"not the end of apple"??

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With all due respect, the world is bigger than the US. Apple sells many iPhones and iOS devices around the world .... All to say, if you want Apple to rule, think China and India.

i think many have the mis-perception that apple want to "rule". I am pretty sure that they are happy to have a decent, not dominant, market share and remain highly profitable. "Dominance" is more trouble than it is worth.

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Originally Posted by Postulant View Post

Sometimes a simple congratulations is sufficient. Good job Android, RIM, and Apple.

All three are healthy and vibrant, what's there to argue about?

Well said.
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post #124 of 273
8/4/10 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by cycomiko View Post

taking from the rich(er) and giving to the poor(er)

Bill Gates, Prince of Thieves

All he needs is a little pixie hat and some green tights

Disturbing on countless levels, kinda' funny though.
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post #125 of 273
8/4/10 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Hardware is utterly different in android phones, all around, from form factor, specs, capabilities, touch-screen types and qualities, screen res, oh boy I can go on forever;



That's one of the worst things about Android - all the different phones. Apple is much easier all the way around, from initial selection, to instant setup, to intuitive use.

Everybody is confused by all this Android/DROID/Whatever stuff with 17 different operating systems and you don't even know what to do.
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post #126 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by g3pro View Post

Actually, by the definition of some here, fragmentation of iOS is in several parts:

Different platforms: iPod, iPhone, iPad

blah blah....

Ah, in which case, what is Apple's true market share?

(Petard. Hoist).
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post #127 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:14pm
It's funny that "buy one get one" is sneered at... it's not like buying a pack of peanuts BOGO at the grocery store. They don't just throw an extra phone in the bag for you to take home and stick in the drawer until you need one.

Also, the BOGO Androids are the older models, not the latest hardware. The latest 16 GB Androids usually sell for the same price as the latest 16 GB iPhone.

BOGO is effectively the same as Apple selling the previous iPhone for half price. Except that with BOGO, the manufacturer actually gets paid for two phones, and the carrier rakes in data charges for two phones over a 2-year contract.

Many of the "free" phones probably end up being given to "the kids", who probably would have just gotten a standard phone if there was an upfront charge. Getting your product into the hands of impressionable "future buyers" is an added bonus...

Sounds almost genius to me...
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post #128 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

Here's an example of the number one reason why anyone who supports Google, in any endeavor, is a fool:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/te...ref=technology

After years of preaching the virtues of net neutrality, to their benefit, naturally, Google now does an abrupt about-face and goes into negotiations with Verizon to get priority for their traffic. Whatever happened to do no evil? I guess they don't think they need to keep up that charade any longer.

There has never been a company in my lifetime, so hypocritical, with so little respect for either laws or personal freedom and privacy as Google. The minute it's to their advantage to abandon net neutrality, under the bus it goes. This is a company utterly devoid of any principles, moral or otherwise.

And this is the company you Android fans think is so great, and are so eager to see succeed?

Google is a panicked company strategy-wise, at this point. They have no clue as to where they want to go or what they want to do. As a result, they will try anything.

More to the point of this story, Android makes them no money whatsoever. They're hoping for ad-based revenue down the road from AdMob, but that's a tricky proposition -- people are less tolerant of ads in the mobile space. At some point, it is inevitable that they'll have to stop giving it away, and that's when the Motorolas, HTCs etc will start to flee (someone else, e.g., HP, Microsoft will have come around with a new OS, at that point).

One quarter does not a trend make.
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post #129 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by djmikeo View Post

Tell your wife you told a little lie, or kind of. There are plenty of music players, mms and many other programs for the iPhone. And up until this week, you could not download the froyo 2.2 for your phone on the same date that it was released for others. SO you have Froyo, but did you get the whole update? or did Verizon nix a couple of features, such as wifi sharing, so you have to (according to Verizon) pay for their service. When iOS is updated, it pertains to all of their current models (within last 2 years) and is not held back by the manufacturer or the carrier. Android is great, but sadly, the updates and features are so fragmented that developers are having a hard time making one app for all, and consumers are starting for feel "feature envy" from other phones using the "same" Android operating system. If I buy an iPhone today, I don't have to worry about a new model coming out in 3 months like the Android phones. Why would I want to buy a phone that will be obsolete in just 4-6 months?

For Christ's sake, why would phone be obsolete just because new one came out? I don't see logic there. Most of my friends with iPhone still use whatever OS it was purchased with. They don't think their iPhone is obsolete just because iOS4 is out.

I do like to apply every new update asap, but that is only me. Then again, I can't say iOS4 gave me anything worth keeping (again, in my case). I was even researching on the options to reverse my 3Gs to iOS3.x. I finally gave up and settled with iOS4. Only advantage I have (the way I am using phone) is that with new OS my 3Gs is better handling poor 3G reception and will more reliably fall back to 2G (previously it was much more keen to give me "No Service" even if 2G coverage was fine)... but it has handful of glitches, like Stanza not always keeping the last book opened but reverting to the library when restarted.
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post #130 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

That's one of the worst things about Android - all the different phones. Apple is much easier all the way around, from initial selection, to instant setup, to intuitive use.

Everybody is confused by all this Android/DROID/Whatever stuff with 17 different operating systems and you don't even know what to do.

My experience:

What was my iPod Touch? 2nd gen? I can't remember... it does have GPS. Which gen was GPS added? I can't remember that either. I wonder which IOS 4 features will work? Hmm... guess I will try and see. Orientation lock would be cool, but nothing happens when I double-click the home button... what the..??

Let's see... I wonder if this new multi-touch update will enable inertial scrolling on my MacBook Pro. Now when did I buy that thing? Heck, I can't remember. I think it was "early 2009", but then again it was refurbished, so maybe it is actually a "mid 2008" model? Heck if I know...

The Apple naming system is just as confusing... model numbers are the only sure way to keep them straight, but the average person has no interest in memorizing those.
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post #131 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:39pm
[QUOTE=shawnb;1690231Also, the BOGO Androids are the older models, not the latest hardware. The latest 16 GB Androids usually sell for the same price as the latest 16 GB iPhone. .[/QUOTE]

OK. I"ll accept that.

Now, give us the sales of any individual model of the latest 16 GB Androids.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Android is doing better than Apple based on ALL Android phone sales and then ask us to ignore all the highest volume BOGO phones.
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post #132 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:49pm
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Originally Posted by sennen View Post

Not that great for the manufacturers' bottom line, however.

The manufacturer gets the same amount per phone if it is Bogo or normal price. Verizon pays the same amount per phone to motorola either way.

So Verizon sells a droid X at 199: They paid Motorola 500+ for the device (plus any activation royalties)
Verizon does a BOGO on the droidx and sells 2 for 199, they paid 1000 for the devices (plus any activation royalties)

Bogos are GREAT for manufacturers
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post #133 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


One quarter does not a trend make.

Try 3+ quarters
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post #134 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

That's one of the worst things about Android - all the different phones. Apple is much easier all the way around, from initial selection, to instant setup, to intuitive use.

Everybody is confused by all this Android/DROID/Whatever stuff with 17 different operating systems and you don't even know what to do.

Conversely, very few (if any, besides you) appear to be remotely 'confused' about the Android OS, as they all have at least one Android offering supported by their carrier and accept/understand that it's just a different phone with the same OS as any other Android smartphone. (think Windows 7 running successfully on Hp, Dell, Lenovo, Apple, etc).

Contrary to what some (would lead others to believe), buyer choice is one of the most obvious benefits of having so many Android OS-based smartphones in that that it affords the consumer a variety of screen sizes, keyboard options, form-factors, and (yes) aesthetics, while still lending an overall 'operational familiarity to all of them.

Another plus is that having such a wide variety of Android smartphones affords developers a much larger customer-base in which to sells their apps, (ideally) much more than a manufacturer who adopts a one size fits all approach.

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post #135 of 273
8/4/10 at 8:58pm
Android is what WinMo should have been if MS had someone other then Boldmer to president. Honestly there are plenty of Android phones that still run 1.5/1.6 and are basically replacing those cheap Nokia hockey puck phones that people got for free as long as they signed up for a plan.

I would say only android 2 and above has feature parity and in some cases like maps better features then the iPhone. That is about 50% of androids according to last surveys I saw here and 9 5 mac.

Over time Android's lead will increase simply because it can power anything from a grandma phone to Evo 4G, while apple operates at high end only.
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post #136 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Personally, That's what I (and many others) like most about Android-based smartphones... C H O I C E

Android is infinitely customizable in almost every way, designed to function/look the way most beneficial to the user, not just an appliance that forces the user to accept what has been given to them.

Um, how can an appliance that ONE FREELY CHOOSES to buy "force" them to "accept" some integral aspect of the appliance? It's like going to The Olive Garden for dinner and then complaining that you are "forced" to eat Italian food.
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post #137 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Yesterday morning I OTAd my DROID to Android Froyo/2.2 and asked the spouse to use it for the day instead of the usual iPhone4 just to see what the reaction would be.

This is impossible. No spouse would agree to that. Where are her contacts, email, txt accounts, bookmarks, etc. That is just preposterous. No woman I have ever met would go along with that unless you copied all of her data to the new phone. And why would you go through that laborious process just to see her reaction. BS.

Furthermore:Why would you immediately after upgrading, subject your spouse to potential unknown issues before you even gave it a day to test if everything was working properly? I don't think you'll stay married long if that is how little regard you have for your spouse.

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post #138 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:09pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


AWESOME smartphone, dude. My Motorola is officially for sale!

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post #139 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by felipur View Post

10 years ago, there were around 7,000 US carriers. While that number has shrunk considerably since, there are still hundreds to thousands of US carriers. We just very rarely hear about them.

Combined the top 4 carriers have about 80% of the market. So 19% of smartphones sold to other carriers is about right.

Thank you! I didn't think anyone was going to answer my question. It's amazing to think there could be so many carriers and hard to imagine how the market would actually work or how the smaller carriers would survive. It must make choosing a carrier very difficult. In Canada we only have three or four large companies, three or four smaller but well known companies, and a couple of very small ones, plus some regional ones. I can't imagine what it would be like to have 10 or more small carriers in every single state, when we don't have much more than 10 in the whole country.
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post #140 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:18pm
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Originally Posted by paxman View Post

AWESOME smartphone, dude. My Motorola is officially for sale!


Actually that is a sweet phone. Not pocketable but it probably gets 5 bars 50 miles out to sea and outputs 5w of power. The antenna is well above the user's head for reduced radiation exposure and it can withstand plenty of drops onto the sidewalk without consequence.

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post #141 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Um, how can an appliance that ONE FREELY CHOOSES to buy "force" them to "accept" some integral aspect of the appliance? It's like going to The Olive Garden for dinner and then complaining that you are "forced" to eat Italian food.

Say you really like the iOS ecosystem, but for whatever reason you want a physical keyboard... you can either choose to accept a phone without a keyboard or find another OS.

Say that someone likes android (heavy gmail user) but they want a phone with a keyboard. They have an array of options. Or one without a keyboard. again, an array of options.

This way your choice in OS doesn't dictate what kind/style of device you need to get.

To use your example, it's like someone liking Italian food, and the only choices being olive garden.
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post #142 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by semperlux View Post

Bill Gates is happier, he doesn't work anymore. Apple doesn't do well sans Steve.

So you are thinking that Steve doesn't enjoy his work?
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post #143 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:33pm
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This is impossible. No spouse would agree to that. Where are her contacts, email, txt accounts, bookmarks, etc. That is just preposterous. No woman I have ever met would go along with that unless you copied all of her data to the new phone. And why would you go through that laborious process just to see her reaction. BS.

It was only for the day, and we're not so subservient to our smartphones that we can't occasionally switch things up for the fun of it.

The rest is called 'organization', as we share most of the same contacts (sharing essentially the same family members, friends, and all), so they're all synched to both our MS Exchange as well as Google/Gmail accounts... We're faithful, trusting and secure enough in our relationship that we needn't hide such trivialities as 'contacts, texts, e-mails, etc from one another).

I hope that clears up your (obvious) confusion.
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post #144 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

No more confusing than the (equally ignorant) faction of society that refers to any/all SUVs as Jeeps, when JEEP is clearly a brand name, not a category of vehicle.

Haven't heard anyone doing that.
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post #145 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

It was only for the day, and we're not so subservient to our smartphones that we can't occasionally switch things up for the fun of it.

The rest is called 'organization', as we share most of the same contacts (sharing essentially the same family members, friends, and all), so they're all synched to both our MS Exchange as well as Google/Gmail accounts... We're faithful, trusting and secure enough in our relationship that we needn't hide such trivialities as 'contacts, texts, e-mails, etc from one another).

I hope that clears up your (obvious) confusion.

My parents used to share the same email account in the early 90s but in today's web centric environment of personal communication an individual account is indispensable.

I still call BS

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post #146 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

My parents used to share the same email account in the early 90s but in today's web centric environment of personal communication an individual account is indispensable.

I still call BS

Personally, the salesman story was much better.
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post #147 of 273
8/4/10 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

My parents used to share the same email account in the early 90s but in today's web centric environment of personal communication an individual account is indispensable.

I still call BS

Given that you don't know a thing about me (personally) or my relationship(s)... I Still Don't Care

Note: Maybe, just maybe, my relationship is a bit more trusting, mature, and 'ideal' than any of yours have been.
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post #148 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Given that you don't know a thing about me (personally) or my relationship(s)... I Still Don't Care

Note: Maybe, just maybe, my relationship is a bit more trusting, mature, and 'ideal' than any of yours have been.


Ridiculous!

Hi Mom,

I know the email 'from name' says it is from 'Da' but actually it is me. He took my iPhone away from me and forced me to use his crazy phone instead. I might be sleeping at your place tonight. Just an FYI.

Love .
your Daughter.

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post #149 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:10pm
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Ridiculous!

Hi Mom,

I know the email 'from name' says it is from 'Da' but actually it is me. He took my iPhone away from me and forced me to use his crazy phone instead. I might be sleeping at your place tonight. Just an FYI.

Love .
your Daughter.

Usually if it's family related, it goes/is sent to the 'family e-mail account', but honestly, It's Really None of Your Business.

I know that it's the norm for 'certain members' to wage personal attacks when left with no other argument, but I'm Not The One, so I suggest you return to the topic at hand... you know the one in which you really had no constructive position.

Have A Nice Day.
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post #150 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

Usually if it's family related, it goes/is sent to the 'family e-mail account', but honestly, It's Really None of Your Business.

I know that it's the norm for 'certain members' to wage personal attacks when left with no other argument, but I'm Not The One, so I suggest you return to the topic at hand... you know the one in which you really had no constructive position.

Have A Nice Day.

How many banjos do you own?

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post #151 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by wnurse View Post

As a consumer, why would that be important to me?. Actually, why would either question be important to me?. As a consumer, the only important question is if i want to buy your product. As a shareholder, which company makes the most profit is important. As a developer, which company has the most market share is most important.

(1)what kind of product and why? how much you willing to pay? or not at all?
(2) what kind of support you want?
(3) what kind of reliability you expect?
(4) what you want do with it? (assume not going to be too secure, open source with code can be accessed)
(5) how many functions you are required and willing to pay for it. (developer keep your eyes open on this one... someone want free OS, how much they will pay for apps?)
(6) over all, please list rank from 1 to X: what is most important to you?
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post #152 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that Android is doing better than Apple based on ALL Android phone sales and then ask us to ignore all the highest volume BOGO phones.

Actually, you can't have it both ways.

iPhones sales are largely helped by the massive handset subsidies given by the carriers --- so much so that AT&T had to give out a profit margin warning. Verizon never had to give out a profit margin warning on their BOGO deals.
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post #153 of 273
8/4/10 at 10:59pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

Actually, you can't have it both ways.

Hmmm?

That's exactly what he said... "you can't have it both ways" and you then counter with "Actually, you can't have it both ways" (jragosta post #131) -
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post #154 of 273
8/4/10 at 11:02pm
It's amazing how fast the Android is taking over the Smartphone market. I hope Apple start making something more that just one IPhone 4.

Well thanks to the original IPhone, we got now all these new amazing Androids phones (Droid X, Evo 4G, Epic, Galaxy X, etc). And the new phones that are coming looks even better.

This competition benefits all of us
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8/5/10 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by DaHarder View Post

I 'consider' said FACT everyday, since I'm very pleased with my DROID, DROID X, Archos 5IT, Achos 7HT, and (just received) iRobot aPad

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Not unlike the 'fragmentation' that currently exists among my Apple devices e.g. my iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad all run different versions of Apple's iOs.

Note: You can't have it both ways

Just out of curiosity, you have:

1) 4 Tablets (Archos 5IT, Archos 7HT, iRobot aPad, iPad)

2) 3 Smart Phones (DROID, DROID X, iPhone)

3) 1 iPod Touch



Why?

What so you do with them?

How many ATT contracts do you have?

How many Verizon, Sprint T-Mobile contracts do you have?

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post #156 of 273
8/5/10 at 3:31am
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Ah, in which case, what is Apple's true market share?

(Petard. Hoist).

I'm not sure.

Likewise with Android. There are many tablets, laptops, cars, nooks, MIDs, and non-phone Android handhelds sold, but the numbers are not known yet.
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post #157 of 273
8/5/10 at 4:00am
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Is there a backlog of orders for Droids? Apple still can't produce enough iPhones to meet the demand. Is Motorola somehow able to manufacture phones faster than Apple? How many Droids are they selling internationally?

As long as iPhone is perceived to be the best smartphone, Apple will be successful, regardless if they are #3.

I don't think the Motorola Droid is well known outside of the US, internationally there is some hype about HTC and Samsung, etc. Android smartphones. But it really could be people are buying more Android smartphones than they would simply because internationally iPhone 4 is so rare and difficult to obtain!
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post #158 of 273
8/5/10 at 4:09am
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Originally Posted by semperlux View Post

I wanted an iPhone the second I saw (years ago) it but I have a Sprint family account that I can't get out of as did most of the people I knew. Yeah, a lot of people would prefer an iPhone and I understand why--I'm a designer and understand how aesthetics promotes a well designed UI and iPhone still has a better designed UI. As apposed to BB who's UI are terrible. And Android's is non existent. My Evo has Sense which is just ugly.

But now with 2.2 on these faster phones, I have to say that my yearning for iPhone is over. Sprint has two more Android phones coming, US Cellular, Verizon and to make matters worse, AT&T!! Now that's a slap in the face. I will never understand why Apple plays hardball like this. They shot themselves in the foot by only staying loyal to AT&T. that used to irritate me soooo much because I wanted an iPhone.

So now, I only know one iPhone user (who's dumping it for a Droid X next week). My kids have Android phones because Sprint let us have them for $50 each and gave us the same unlimited user plan. Two other family members are getting Galaxy Ss and another is getting a DELL Streak... How can Apple compete with this?

People have to start taking open source development more seriously. I always have.

Apple will only even pause to think about not playing hardball... when globally, they are able to actually make more phones than they can sell.
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8/5/10 at 4:10am
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Originally Posted by jayhammy View Post

Agreed to a point. But they're far more open source than Apple is. The deepest parts of the code are protected but the vast majority is not. The most important part is that manufacturers don't pay for licensing and anyone can modify the OS through rooting and custom ROMs. In addition, rooting an Android device is far more beneficial for the user than jailbreaking is for the iPhone user.

Oh, so it's not important that Android is open, just that it's free? So all that talk by Google about open isn't really meant to mean anything?

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And, as an aside, (not at you), please stop with the "fragmentation" argument. There's fragmentation everywhere. Look at the latest iOS update on the iPhone 3G. It's a DISASTER!!!! The anti-Android/pro-iPhone users have created the illusion of fragmentation to scare off those who might be interested in the OS. It's not unlike Fox News with it's purported "fair and balanced" crap.

I don't think you understand what fragmentation is. The case of the 3G is not fragmentation. Fragmentation is the Chinese ripping out the proprietary parts of Android and replacing them with their own proprietary parts.
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8/5/10 at 4:15am
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Agreed, and my experience is very similar.

Yesterday morning I OTAd my DROID to Android Froyo/2.2 and asked the spouse to use it for the day instead of the usual iPhone4 just to see what the reaction would be.

All I heard this morning was, 'Wow, this phone is really fast'... 'can I customize my home screen to do what Launcher Pro Plus does?' ... "I noticed that you have a choice of MMS, music players, and other programs, is there anyway for me to change the ones on my iPhone?"... and on and on... though sadly the answer to all questions was, "No, Apple doesn't ' allow that kind of thing with their core apps".

Personally, That's what I (and many others) like most about Android-based smartphones... C H O I C E

Android is infinitely customizable in almost every way, designed to function/look the way most beneficial to the user, not just an appliance that forces the user to accept what has been given to them.

Most consumers of high-end/ smartphones may not care about choice of music players, etc. Just sayin'. I've seen tons of people use their iPhones for months without even connecting to iTunes. That's how clueless they are. And Android is now hyped as the "next iPhone" so people are gaga over it, I don't think they are fully aware of what it can do or why it's good, at least from a global perspective. Maybe US smartphone users are smarter, I don't know...

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