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post #81 of 266
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

This is a good example of how the Android market is confusing to regular people. They can't even decide what the things are called.

No more confusing than the (equally ignorant) faction of society that refers to any/all SUVs as Jeeps, when JEEP is clearly a brand name, not a category of vehicle.
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post #82 of 266
I wonder if anyone in here has considered the fact that plenty of people out there really like Android.
post #83 of 266
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I wonder if anyone in here has considered the fact that plenty of people out there really like Android.

I 'consider' said FACT everyday, since I'm very pleased with my DROID, DROID X, Archos 5IT, Achos 7HT, and (just received) iRobot aPad
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post #84 of 266
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Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.

So did Unix/Linux and the entire open source world(which MAC OS is based on). You think it's going to stay like this? And even if it does, Android (linux really) devices will become so inexpensive and ubiquitous that Apple's qc platform won't matter.
post #85 of 266
Interesting numbers.

ATT has about 25% of the cellular market and they sold 25% of the US smartphones. Of those, 22% were iPhones - about 85%. So, if we assume that most people able and willing to switch to ATT have already done so, Apple is capturing about 85% of its possible market.

Android was on 33% of the smartphones. Even if we throw out the 20% of the US market that is on small carriers which may not have an available Android phone, then Android is only capturing about 40% of its possible market.

So Apple's US market share (as a percentage of smartphones) isn't going to increase significantly until they add another carrier. 25% is about all they can get to. Their US market share of phones as a whole can grow a lot, however, as smartphones are still a minority of all phones sold.

Android on the other hand has a lot of room to grow. This makes it look like Android is competing with Apple but until Android reaches comparable percentages on the carriers it's on or until Android on ATT has significant share, it sure looks like Apple is dominating its market way beyond where Android is.

A better comparison will be how does Android do against Apple in countries where they are on the same carriers or on all the major carriers.
post #86 of 266
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Originally Posted by ihxo View Post

Blackberry's not that bad. I just don't like copycats.

I like Black Berries too. You have to cook them in a little sugar. Not more than 5'. Then n you use them as topping on a healthy helping of vanillia ice cream. hmmmm. That's Blackberries I can enjoy with all my senses.
post #87 of 266
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Originally Posted by SendMe View Post

Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.

Not unlike the 'fragmentation' that currently exists among my Apple devices e.g. my iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad all run different versions of Apple's iOs.

Note: You can't have it both ways
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post #88 of 266
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Originally Posted by Bcs123 View Post

What developer migration?

Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves

Comes with this handy chart:



See also:

Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits

AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Android Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/aol-mob...e-for-new-app/

Apple Says “Sue Us, Please!” to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/

Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/

Google’s Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

That one includes this convenient chart:




More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate
post #89 of 266
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Originally Posted by stelligent View Post

Hmmm, not sure about that. If market share was the most important factor, why doesn't RIM or Nokia have the largest collection of Apps?

I think Apple has shown that ecosystem design is important too, maybe more so. The iPad was a semi-new platform but app developers have tripped all over themselves to make apps for it. App World from RIM may never catch up.

For what it's worth, I think your analysis is correct. The actual market share is only a single factor, albeit an important one. The sheer number of apps available, by the same token, isn't necessarily a health indicator either, as the Mac vs PC universes have shown.

Just as an FYI, the AppStore started a year before the Nokia Ovi store, and Ovi has never matched Apple's offering thus far. However, as an ex Nokia user, I was aware of the significant improvements in their offering, especially of late. Their revised store is much more user-friendly than previously. That in turn has led to some significant gain to Nokia in terms of app downloads - the yearly downloads are currently running at 620 million (1.7M a day on average) - but whether that will influence developers to support the platform is open to question.

In the smartphone space, the experience has to at least match that of the opposition for the uncommitted consumer to consider choosing a brand. The jury's still out on whether Nokia can pull that off.
post #90 of 266
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Originally Posted by bfc View Post

Please read the corrected article, not the misinformation originally posted by venture beat, which they have since retracted.

I would be typing this on my shiny iPhone instead of my glossy Evo(Sprint) if Apple had not had that strange relantionship with AT&T and made a deal with Sprint.
post #91 of 266
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves

Come with this handy chart:



See also:

Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits

AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Android Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/aol-mob...e-for-new-app/

Apple Says Sue Us, Please! to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/

Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/

Googles Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html

That one includes this convenient chart:




More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate

...and those developers have the flexibility of working with a platform that allows them to create apps for virtually any/all aspects of the OS, including 'core apps' such as media players, camera apps, messaging apps, web browsers, et al., not just what's absent from the OS in the first place.
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post #92 of 266
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Originally Posted by shadash View Post

There is no evidence presented in this article to substantiate the idea that the buy one, get one free offers significantly impacted sales. If there is real evidence out there I will retract this. But all I have seen are vague hints that this is the reason Android and Verizon are doing so well - and that otherwise people would be flocking to the iPhone and AT&T. Barring actual evidence, I doubt that a customer going in for a feature phone is going to be swayed by a "free" phone that will cost him/her several thousand dollars over the life of the contract. I also doubt that most Verizon customers would be willing to switch to AT&T if not for this offer.

Absolutely amazing. What is this: come up with some radical fiction and tell people that it is fact unless they can cite evidence to the contrary? It is abundantly clear that you have never worked in a marketing capacity. I'll break it down in simple terms. 'Buy One Get One' deals result in 1/2 the amount of money that would have exchanged hands had full price been paid. As such, the only reason to do this is because there is a motivation stronger than the sale (e.g. more subscribers paying monthly fees). These deals are wildly successful when applied to a decent phone and that's why companies like Verizon and AT&T do them. If it wasn't resulting in more phone sales they wouldn't bother.

The tech community buying these phones, using apps, actually getting video chat to workthey are not a large part of the Android demographic. Many of the customers are people looking for a good smartphone to do all the standard smartphone stuff, and Android happens to be the most appealing option for a walk-in at a store like the Verizon store. The buy-one-get-one sale is a great way to sell these devices to these customers as they virtually never look at long-term costs, but rather instead focus on up-front costs when making their buying decision.
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post #93 of 266
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Not really a developer "migration", per say... but I can go through a iPhone magazine, read about the cool apps and then look for them on the Android market. (shazam, and a few others that only iPhone users were privied to). They're not necessarily migrating, but they are easily porting iPhone apps. You might call that a migration of sorts.

Migration doesn't sound like expanding. It sounds like moving away from one to the other. Most ios devs are pretty happy there. Porting over their apps is no biggie.
post #94 of 266
It' all nice and good. The thing is, android is the best thing for users who don't want to spend money and for developpers who don't want to earn money.
Whereas users. of iOS are more willing to pay for good software, giving the developpers a real opportunity to make their living. Meaning both Systems will actually be able to coexist. I think that's great.

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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves

Come with this handy chart:



See also:

Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits



AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Androi Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/a<br />...e-for-new-app/

Apple Says Sue Us, Please! to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/

Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/

Googles Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html

That one includes this convenient chart:




More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate
post #95 of 266
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves

You can keep most of the Android developers, and the android market. I thought there was a lot of rubbish in the App Store until I spent some time digging through the Android Market. Precious few of the high-end apps in it are as nice as they are in the App Store (only exceptions I can come up with are apps would would have been better in iOS if not for Apple/AT&T restrictions, and there's not a whole lot of 'em) and the vast majority of stuff in the Android Market is just unfiltered trash, seasoned with copyright infringement.

Best market out there, but miles behind the App Store.

Imagine the App Store's numbers if they allowed all the same crap inside.
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post #96 of 266
There is definite emphasis on Android by many, many developers now. There's a huge number of mobile development shops in the Toronto area and, as a mobile developer, I know many of them. Most of them are putting their main emphasis on Android for a couple reasons:

1) The app market for iPhone is perceived as saturated, apps are entrenched. Android is seen as a fresh opportunity.
2) Android devices are outselling iOS devices in Canada and the USA, and the growth curve has yet to slow so in the next quarter, or next year, the difference should be even larger.

Smart money is on Android devices having the dominant OS marketshare on phones very shortly. We all know iOS users are going to be more likely to buy apps on an individual basis, and it'll continue to be supported, but the sheer volume of Android users will compensate for that. Look at Android being the #1 phone platform to target by most mobile developers starting next year, then apps will be ported to secondary platforms (iOS, Blackberry).
post #97 of 266
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Imagine the App Store's numbers if they allowed all the same crap inside.

Some relevant statistics:

Number of fart-related apps boosting the App Store count: 764
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=fart

Number of apps boosting the App Store count by mostly replicating free info from news web sites: 14,971
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=news

Number of those news apps costing $2.99 or more: 1,621
http://www.uquery.com/search?page=1&q=news&range=3

Number of apps that display clocks boosting the App Store count: 4,785
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=clock

Cost of Apple's clock app built into iOS: free

Cost of an app to let you alter and animate the rendering of women's breasts in photos: $0.99
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewe...=236567,00.asp

Cost of an app to let you use the free ping protocol: $1.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/375562087-ipingtool
Enjoy the high-quality interface it provides for that higher-than average price:
http://images2.uquery.com/appstore/s...59075/full.jpg

Cost of an app that plays water sounds ostensibly to assist urination: $3.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/341807729-peasygoing

Percentage of iOS apps the developers themselves don't feel are worth paying for: 81%
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...age_price.html

Number of pages of search results for the phrase "stupid iPhone apps": 13,300,000
http://www.google.com/search?q=stupid+iphone+apps

And then there are the total scam apps, including an app that claims to help you quit smoking by merely displaying solid colors on the screen, one that claims to be able to detect the ripeness of watermelons, and for $3 you can get lied to by an app that claims to be able to remove warts -- all approved by Apple.
http://gizmodo.com/5555853/the-apple-app-stores-scams


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post #98 of 266
You're not a very rational troll.

In fact, it sounds like you don't have suitable experience with both markets.
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Bill Gates is happier, he doesn't work anymore. Apple doesn't do well sans Steve.

He seems pretty happy spreading billions to the world
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He seems pretty happy spreading billions to the world

... as opposed to taking billions from the very same world
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post #101 of 266
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... as opposed to taking billions from the very same world

taking from the rich(er) and giving to the poor(er)

Bill Gates, Prince of Thieves

All he needs is a little pixie hat and some green tights
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post #102 of 266
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Please read the corrected article, not the misinformation originally posted by venture beat, which they have since retracted.

++.

Android has about as much loyalty as iPhone users.
Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

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post #103 of 266
Interesting, how much money does Google make of this tho? None.

I saw an Android device, its simply the best phone OS out right now. But from a business prospective Apple still dominates smartphone profit share.

iPhone is fine, Apple can control only 5% market share and still make a killing. RIM should be worried about HP and Microsoft.
post #104 of 266
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Good point. Android suffers from severe fragmentation.

Over 60% of devices are now on 2.x, if you add 1.6 numbers that is over 75% of the market. The largest leap in compatibility is from 1.5 to 1.6.

But on top of that, apps run on the Dalvik virtual machine, meaning that fragmentation is a LOT smaller problem than it is with linux and the like. There is an issue, yes, but it's not this game breaking problem like everyone says it is.
post #105 of 266
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Tell your wife you told a little lie, or kind of. There are plenty of music players, mms and many other programs for the iPhone. And up until this week, you could not download the froyo 2.2 for your phone on the same date that it was released for others. SO you have Froyo, but did you get the whole update? or did Verizon nix a couple of features, such as wifi sharing, so you have to (according to Verizon) pay for their service. When iOS is updated, it pertains to all of their current models (within last 2 years) and is not held back by the manufacturer or the carrier. Android is great, but sadly, the updates and features are so fragmented that developers are having a hard time making one app for all, and consumers are starting for feel "feature envy" from other phones using the "same" Android operating system. If I buy an iPhone today, I don't have to worry about a new model coming out in 3 months like the Android phones. Why would I want to buy a phone that will be obsolete in just 4-6 months?

When Apple announced Tethering for their devices, it didn't launch on any ATT iphones. So yes, carriers do have some say in features, though much less control over iOS than other ones. And currently there is NO way (carrier approved or otherwise) to get wifi tethering on your phone without rooting it and installing a custom Kernal. Verizon didn't block tethering to launch a paid app, they could configure the built in tethering to require payment. They said it "doesn't support the feature." My theory is that they said so to try and drive sales of new devices. That, or they couldn't find a way to open up wifi tethering on the device without allowing free alternatives to be developed.

Android is also an OS that needs to be coded for each phone individually. So the "droid got froyo later than N1" argument really doesn't make that much sense. This isn't like a windows update where it's bloated with preloaded drivers. each built of froyo is specific for those devices.

And the average customer buys phones every 2 years, so even apples 1 phone a year path is too fast for the average customer, and yet they don't seem to care. There are some customers feeling "feature envy" but most of them don't, and a lot of them that do wouldn't feel it either without engadget and other blogs harping on it every couple of week.s (just like most customers don't have antenna issues on the iphone, but because of blog posts, everyone thought it was a huge issue) I'm not denying that device envy does exist, but the envy for android devices isn't anything new for average consumers. yes, it's faster than most former apple customers might expect, but for most customers, it's really nothing new compared to them getting an ENV3 and then the next month the Samsung Reality comes out.
post #106 of 266
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Over 60% of devices are now on 2.x, if you add 1.6 numbers that is over 75% of the market. The largest leap in compatibility is from 1.5 to 1.6.

But on top of that, apps run on the Dalvik virtual machine, meaning that fragmentation is a LOT smaller problem than it is with linux and the like. There is an issue, yes, but it's not this game breaking problem like everyone says it is.

Meanwhile, in Headinthesandland:

Game Center not compatible with iPhone 3G in iOS 4.1 beta 3
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._1_beta_3.html

iOS social unification dream fragmented as Game Center drops support for older devices
http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/...ws.asp?c=22602

Device Fragmentation Exists on the iPhone Platform
http://fivemobile.com/development/de...hone-platform/

iPhone fragmentation confuses customers - the App Store needs a rethink
http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/r/iPhon...re.asp?c=21764

iPhone now as fragmented as Android
http://mobile.venturebeat.com/2010/0...ed-as-android/

iPhone OS 4: Welcome to fragmentation-land Apple
http://thereallymobileproject.com/20...on-land-apple/
post #107 of 266
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Originally Posted by Mac_Keeper_Fan_Mod View Post

Interesting, how much money does Google make of this tho? None.

I saw an Android device, its simply the best phone OS out right now. But from a business prospective Apple still dominates smartphone profit share.

iPhone is fine, Apple can control only 5% market share and still make a killing. RIM should be worried about HP and Microsoft.

No doubt Apple dominates smartphone profit share. It's Apple's biggest earner and cash cow. But Google is hardly relevant in a discussion about smartphone profits when its only entrant is no longer sold by Google and its raison d'etre was as a reference platform to seed Android development.

Google obviously doesn't care that it earns no revenue from Android. They went on record to say that Android was their way of preventing Apple from becoming the 800lb gorilla in the smartphone space (I'm paraphrasing, but that was essentially their rationale).

So far they're succeeding in that and I think we'll all benefit from their involvement.

As for profitability, Google reported 27% net profit without smartphone earnings except for Nexus One retail margin, while Apple reported 21%.

Both highly profitable corporations I'd say.
post #108 of 266
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Developers migrate from iPhone to Android in droves
Research finds 60 percent of developers working on Android
http://www.techeye.net/mobile/develo...roid-in-droves

Comes with this handy chart:



See also:

Apple app developers furious with their cut of profits
http://www.techeye.net/internet/appl...cut-of-profits

AOL Mobile Goes HTML5, Picks Android Over iPhone for New App
http://gigaom.com/2010/07/22/aol-mob...e-for-new-app/

Apple Says Sue Us, Please! to iPhone, iPad Developers
http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-...evelopers/3336

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone
http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/15/tim...google-iphone/

Developers More Interested in Android than iPad
http://mashable.com/2010/03/31/ipad-developer-interest/

Googles Android Gaining on Apple via Developers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-0...-on-apple.html

Over 70% of iPhone developers are planning Android apps
http://www.neowin.net/news/over-70-o...g-android-apps

That one includes this convenient chart:




More:
http://www.google.com/search?q=iphon...eloper+migrate



Those bloggers are not a reliable source.
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Those bloggers are not a reliable source.

Bloomburg, Techcrunch, Bnet (A CBS business focused network) arn't reliable sources?
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Bloomburg, Techcrunch, Bnet (A CBS business focused network) arn't reliable sources?

Nope. The only reliable source is appleinsider.com.

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Actually as a developer it would be which company drives the most profit for the developer, wouldn't it? Marketshare is fine and can attract developers initially, but it will be the profitability of the platform for the developers that keeps them in place.

For example, Android now has a larger marketshare, but that share is largely in the pre-2.x space which restricts developers from using some of the better features found in 2.0 and upwards. This will give an new developer pause, and cost an established developer additional development cycles in order to keep the whole marketshare on-board.

A good companion piece to this article would be an analysis of the profitability of the developers market, looking both revenues from app pricing as well as revenue from ad placement.

Another one that would be good would be a study/profile of the dev shops involved in each, who is dedicated to a platform, who is devving cross-platform and their effective "loyalty" or what retains them.

Great post, apart from the 1st paragraph where you're overstating the fragmentation problem. These are Googles stats:



(Data collected during two weeks ending on August 2, 2010)
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Originally Posted by RationalTroll View Post

Some relevant statistics:

Number of fart-related apps boosting the App Store count: 764
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=fart

Number of apps boosting the App Store count by mostly replicating free info from news web sites: 14,971
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=news

Number of those news apps costing $2.99 or more: 1,621
http://www.uquery.com/search?page=1&q=news&range=3

Number of apps that display clocks boosting the App Store count: 4,785
http://www.uquery.com/search?q=clock

Cost of Apple's clock app built into iOS: free

Cost of an app to let you alter and animate the rendering of women's breasts in photos: $0.99
http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewe...=236567,00.asp

Cost of an app to let you use the free ping protocol: $1.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/375562087-ipingtool
Enjoy the high-quality interface it provides for that higher-than average price:
http://images2.uquery.com/appstore/s...59075/full.jpg

Cost of an app that plays water sounds ostensibly to assist urination: $3.99
http://www.uquery.com/apps/341807729-peasygoing

Percentage of iOS apps the developers themselves don't feel are worth paying for: 81%
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...age_price.html

Number of pages of search results for the phrase "stupid iPhone apps": 13,300,000
http://www.google.com/search?q=stupid+iphone+apps

And then there are the total scam apps, including an app that claims to help you quit smoking by merely displaying solid colors on the screen, one that claims to be able to detect the ripeness of watermelons, and for $3 you can get lied to by an app that claims to be able to remove warts -- all approved by Apple.
http://gizmodo.com/5555853/the-apple-app-stores-scams


Yeah, quality

c'mon now, don't be an elitist snob. Some people find tremendous pleasure in fart apps and low-res wallpaper. In fact, it was on the iPhone that a buddy showed me this first pick-up line app, the light sabre, the star trek tricorder thousands of other crap apps that caused my wife to put password protection on her iPad. You don't have to download them, you have a choice. I have excellent photo apps that take advantage of the Evo's camera, some Latin phrase books and a bible.
post #113 of 266
Won't no one answer to the absurd amount of lies and disinformation spread by the self-named troll of the thread?

- To accuse iPhone of fragmentation?!? Really? When their form factor is practically the same from day one and they are all upgraded in software on the spot, regardless of carrier's "mood" towards their clients? Is this even remotely comparable? Hardware is utterly different in android phones, all around, from form factor, specs, capabilities, touch-screen types and qualities, screen res, oh boy I can go on forever;
- To state that iPhone developers are "evading" teh iOS towards android? COME ON, that's the biggest bullshit I can ever imagine, for many reasons, most of them being stated thus far.

If this guy isn't a google worker, he is simply a deluded freak. And he dares to call himself rational. How insulting to anyone with a working brain.
post #114 of 266
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Won't no one answer to the absurd amount of lies and disinformation spread by the self-named troll of the thread?

- To accuse iPhone of fragmentation?!? Really? When their form factor is practically the same from day one and they are all upgraded in software on the spot, regardless of carrier's "mood" towards their clients? Is this even remotely comparable? Hardware is utterly different in android phones, all around, from form factor, specs, capabilities, touch-screen types and qualities, screen res, oh boy I can go on forever;
- To state that iPhone developers are "evading" teh iOS towards android? COME ON, that's the biggest bullshit I can ever imagine, for many reasons, most of them being stated thus far.

If this guy isn't a google worker, he is simply a deluded freak. And he dares to call himself rational. How insulting to anyone with a working brain.

Most sensible people have learned to ignore his biased rants.

You'll get with it too......
post #115 of 266
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Won't no one answer to the absurd amount of lies and disinformation spread by the self-named troll of the thread?

- To accuse iPhone of fragmentation?!? Really? When their form factor is practically the same from day one and they are all upgraded in software on the spot, regardless of carrier's "mood" towards their clients? Is this even remotely comparable? Hardware is utterly different in android phones, all around, from form factor, specs, capabilities, touch-screen types and qualities, screen res, oh boy I can go on forever;
- To state that iPhone developers are "evading" teh iOS towards android? COME ON, that's the biggest bullshit I can ever imagine, for many reasons, most of them being stated thus far.

If this guy isn't a google worker, he is simply a deluded freak. And he dares to call himself rational. How insulting to anyone with a working brain.

Most android apps are coded for the Dalvik Virtual machine (the SDK) so it doesn't matter what hardware the device has. It's also possible to softcode almost anything, keeping an xml file, which makes it easier to build for the few things that still do matter (screen resolution, multi touch, etc) Again, most apps run on a virtual machine WITHIN android, so a lot of issues you bring up are non issues. Is it still more "fragmented" than the iOS market? Yes. Is it as bad as you are claiming? No

Saying "he's obviously a liar" doesn't make your statement any more true. I'm not saying I agree with his rants either, for the record, but there are a ton of tools out there to make device fragmentation less of an issue, if it's one at all for your app.
post #116 of 266
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post


If this guy isn't a google worker, he is simply a deluded freak. And he dares to call himself rational. How insulting to anyone with a working brain.

It won't take you long to learn which posts to skip over. Lying and exaggeration are the norm - but it's been much worse since the release of the highly successful launch of the iPhone 4.

*Shrug
post #117 of 266
You apple fan boys are unbelievable. First, you say, "oh, Android will never overtake the iPhone" and then "well, NPD or Nielson are the definitive voices on market share--they'll really tell the truth."
Now that BOTH of them have said that Android is now NUMBER ONE, you can't take it. Just accept the fact that, while iOS is fabulous in its own right, there's no way that Apple can keep its momentum against an OPEN SOURCE mobile operating system that runs on multiple carriers and multiple devices from multiple manufacturers. Android will soon dominate the mobile space. This shouldn't minimize Apple's place--competition is good. This will push Apple to make even better products for all its fanboys and Android will in turn do the same for all its fanboys as well. Yes, I'm obviously an Android fanboy, but I realize that both OSes provide things that the other doesn't have. I won't go into them here. But one thing is certain: Apple and its fanbase can no longer ignore the momentum that Android has demonstrated here in the U.S. and worldwide.

And please don't give me the argument that iPhone beats the Droid X or Evo in sales. It's not about an individual product. It's about THE OS. This is the underpinning of it all. If I want an 8MP camera, I get an Incredible; a 4.3" screen, an Evo on Sprint or an X on Verizon, and on and on ad nauseum.

One thing I must note before you all flame me: I'm an Apple fanboy as far as computers. I will never buy a Windows PC, even if Windows 7 is much improved. I have ONLY Macs and have had ONLY MACS for the past 10 years. They're the best. But that's where my fanboyism ends--and turns into Android fanboyism for mobile devices.
post #118 of 266
Here's an example of the number one reason why anyone who supports Google, in any endeavor, is a fool:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/te...ref=technology

After years of preaching the virtues of net neutrality, to their benefit, naturally, Google now does an abrupt about-face and goes into negotiations with Verizon to get priority for their traffic. Whatever happened to do no evil? I guess they don't think they need to keep up that charade any longer.

There has never been a company in my lifetime, so hypocritical, with so little respect for either laws or personal freedom and privacy as Google. The minute it's to their advantage to abandon net neutrality, under the bus it goes. This is a company utterly devoid of any principles, moral or otherwise.

And this is the company you Android fans think is so great, and are so eager to see succeed?
post #119 of 266
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... there's no way that Apple can keep its momentum against an OPEN SOURCE mobile operating system...

Android is only partly open source, part proprietary code. The parts important to Google are proprietary. If you're going to get into bed with them you ought to at least know who's sticking it to you when they do.
post #120 of 266
200,000 Android activations per day now.

Up from 160,000 just a few weeks ago.
Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

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Fragmentation is not just something we have to acknowledge and accept. Fragmentation is something that we deal with every day, and we must accept it as a fact of the iPhone platform experience.

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