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Photo illustrations supposedly obtained from iPod case manufacturers show a new version of the iPod touch with a camera and flash.

HardMac, the English language version of France's Macbidouille, posted an illustration of the next generation iPod touch in a clear case. The website claims the source of the image is "very reliable." The image appears to show a rounded back with a rear-facing camera and flash.

A rounded back would be a clear departure from the design of the iPhone 4, which has a flat glass back.

According to HardMac, the source has been reliable in the past, correctly confirming the inclusion of a camera on last year's iPod nano. Technical issues have been cited as the reason for the lack of a camera on last year's iPod touch model.

Although rumors of a camera-enabled iPod touch have persisted for several years, the June unveiling of Apple's FaceTime video call feature for the iPhone 4 served to strengthen the rumors. At that time, CEO Steve Jobs expressed plans to make the feature an "open industry standard" that works between different devices. When speculating which devices are likely to adopt the FaceTime standard, many analysts have kept the iPod touch at the top of their lists.



Reports from "supplier" sources corroborate the iPod touch camera rumor, although the details don't always match. In July, U.K. retailer John Lewis claimed the next iPod touch will have a 5 megapixel camera, while the Taiwanese publication Digitimes cited sources predicting a 3 megapixel camera.
post #2 of 63
Makes sense to differentiate the iPod Touch form the iPhone. The iPod Touch is a thing of beauty and a unibody design makes sense due to its robustness. The camera will make many many users upgrade even if they don't technically need to do so. For just about all kids under the age of 20 (25?) the lack of a camera is a BIG bummer.
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One thing to take note is the lack of the iTunes icon...
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I am wondering about the screen. Will they go Retina or leave it as is?
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Apple - add a camera, increase RAM to 512MB and give us something like 800Mhz processor and make it 16GB min. iOS will add a crapton of new users.
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I am wondering about the screen. Will they go Retina or leave it as is?

Would be nice but I find it doubtful. How much money do they want to dump into just the Touch? And how could they keep up demand for the iTouch's that are identical to the iPhone 4 when they can't even keep up with the iPhone 4 itself? Only about a month away till we find out!
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I am wondering about the screen. Will they go Retina or leave it as is?

They'll go Retinal with their push with OpenGL ES 2.0 Games.
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Would be nice but I find it doubtful. How much money do they want to dump into just the Touch? And how could they keep up demand for the iTouch's that are identical to the iPhone 4 when they can't even keep up with the iPhone 4 itself? Only about a month away till we find out!

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I am wondering about the screen. Will they go Retina or leave it as is?

I can't see them not going with a retina display. By ramping up the volume prices will come down. My guess is that the next iPad will likewise be fitted with a retina display.
post #10 of 63
One thing that's weird about that photo is that the iPod shows the dock from 3.1.3. You would think it would be running iOS4 (hopefully better than the old ones).
post #11 of 63
I'd much rather see the camera be on the front of the device for facetime over having one on the back. (both wouldn't be bad)

But seriously... why not have a front facing camera for facetime with this. It would be another way to push that standard.
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Photo illustrations supposedly obtained from iPod case manufacturers show a new version of the iPod touch with a camera and flash.

(...)Although rumors of a camera-enabled iPod touch have persisted for several years, the June unveiling of Apple's FaceTime video call feature for the iPhone 4 served to strengthen the rumors. At that time, CEO Steve Jobs expressed plans to make the feature an "open industry standard" that works between different devices. When speculating which devices are likely to adopt the FaceTime standard, many analysts have kept the iPod touch at the top of their lists.


I don't see a front facing camera, so how / why are there speculating that FaceTime will come to the iPod touch? And if so, it will become a WiFi phone, making a jump to the iPhone less needed. (especially if people jailbreak them and use FaceTime over 3G)

Or is my eyesight not 20/20?

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post #13 of 63
Nah, this is a mockup/fake from last year.

The iPod touch has always had the same display, CPU, graphics chip and overall style based on the iPhone.

This rumor is B.S.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post

I don't see a front facing camera, so how / why are there speculating that FaceTime will come to the iPod touch? And if so, it will become a WiFi phone, making a jump to the iPhone less needed. (especially if people jailbreak them and use FaceTime over 3G)

Or is my eyesight not 20/20?

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I thought facetime for touch was to be baked into the next point iOS release. If official it could mean you could use a rear camera to do chat. It would be awkward but possible.

I doubt we will see retina cause personally I don't see much of a difference. Please don't hate me too much Retina fans.
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I can't see them not going with a retina display. By ramping up the volume prices will come down.

The only reason I can see them foregoing the Retina Display is if there was a lack of supply to fill the iPhone demand that wont be met with the expected Holiday Season ramp up.

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My guess is that the next iPad will likewise be fitted with a retina display

As great as that would be I think we are years away from that reality. If they go with 2x the resolution (4x the pixels) like they did with the iPhone, it will still be under what could be called a Retina Display but would still be the best display on the market for a ~10 display and by a very wide margin. Im not even sure its feasible to go with 2x the resolution in the next iPad based on the known display tech and costs for that size display.
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post #16 of 63
This is a fake. Period.

If there is only one camera on the iPod Touch, I guarantee you it will be a front-facing Facetime camera. And we will not see the "old" rounded back iPhone design. Ridiculous.
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I doubt we will see retina cause personally I don't see much of a difference. Please don't hate me too much Retina fans.

Except then developers will have to choose...create a low rez screen that will look poor scaled up on an iPhone or create a high-res screen that won't scale down well, or at all, to the touch. Sure, Apple could tell developers to create screens/graphics for both resolutions, but that makes it that much more work.

Apple wants to encourage as much iOS development as possible. A Retina display on the touch would mean a single set of graphics would display well on iPhone, iPad, and the touch.
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I thought facetime for touch was to be baked into the next point iOS release. If official it could mean you could use a rear camera to do chat. It would be awkward but possible.

I doubt we will see retina cause personally I don't see much of a difference. Please don't hate me too much Retina fans.

I can easily see the difference, even without my glasses. EASILY.

Your argument is like someone saying "I doubt we'll see lossless playback in iTunes because 128MP3 sounds just fine to me".
post #19 of 63
Without the plastic case, that design could be just like the iPad. Makes sense to me!

(And I predict a retina display—but not on the bottom model.)

As for future iPads: I predict a res-doubling, either in the next model or the one after that. The resulting DPI would be about 264, vs. 286 as the alleged threshold for perceiving pixels at 1 foot with 20/20 vision. So, not quite a “retina display”... except that’s only a marketing term anyway. Change the name or justify the old name... either way, it’s just marketing, and wouldn’t stop the device being built. (And being worth the wait! I hope it comes within 6 months because I’m dying to get an iPad.)
post #20 of 63
Possible... but Doubtful

We'll See Soon Enough...
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post #21 of 63
It looks 'shopped to me.

And how is it a "clear departure from the iPhone 4"? It looks like last year's iPod Touch, with a camera 'shopped in. The iPod can't "depart" from something it didn't look like.

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This is a fake. Period.

If there is only one camera on the iPod Touch, I guarantee you it will be a front-facing Facetime camera. And we will not see the "old" rounded back iPhone design. Ridiculous.

The only way a 'front facing camera' would take precedence over a rear/video camera is if the iPod Touch is being repositioned as a communication device rather than (primarily) a media player, which is highly doubtful.

Chances are the next iPod Touch will feature a rear-facing still/video camera only so as to guarantee that there's no confusion as to its market position between the iPod Nano (video camera only) and the iPhone (both front and rear cameras)... call it a 'Feature Media Player' if you will.
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post #23 of 63
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Originally Posted by iPad999 View Post

One thing to take note is the lack of the iTunes icon...

The orange icon with the note says 'iTunes' underneath.
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Originally Posted by Wiggin View Post

Except then developers will have to choose...create a low rez screen that will look poor scaled up on an iPhone or create a high-res screen that won't scale down well, or at all, to the touch. Sure, Apple could tell developers to create screens/graphics for both resolutions, but that makes it that much more work.

Apple wants to encourage as much iOS development as possible. A Retina display on the touch would mean a single set of graphics would display well on iPhone, iPad, and the touch.

Actually it is not hard at all. All you need to do is add "@x2" at the end of the image file name and the OS will take care of it.
post #25 of 63
I think Apple is more likely to add a front camera than a rear camera. But in my opinion they will add both to achieve best FaceTime experience. I also think Apple will keep one of the current iPod touches as a base model at $199. Two new higher end iPod touches will probably have two cameras, Retina display, and Apple A4 chip at $299 and $399 for 32GB and 64GB, respectively.
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Actually it is not hard at all. All you need to do is add "@x2" at the end of the image file name and the OS will take care of it.

Yeah, but if you want to support 3GS, 4 AND iPad it starts to get complicated...
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Yeah, but if you want to support 3GS, 4 AND iPad it starts to get complicated...

It is not as complicated if the developer knows how to develop software. Furthermore, developers are not required by Apple to support all three devices. An app developed for the 3G or 3GS will work fine on iPhone 4 and iPad (not as good as native iPad app for sure). It is up to the developer to decide if he/she want to add quality to their apps by optimizing graphics and UI. Many developers choose to develop separate standalone apps for the iPad though.

You will be surprised to know that programing for all three devices is not as complicated as you might think. The SDK makes it less painful to develop a universal app. It is not that much different from developing software for computers with different display resolution.
post #28 of 63
I think the touch will continue to use the current display. After all the 8GB 3GS is still in production with that display.

I expect minimal changes to the case, just enough to accommodate the camera capabilities. I would personally prefer a still camera on the back, but I'm guessing it'll just get the low res front facing camera from the iPhone 4.

The addition of the camera and upgrade to A4 processor will allow Apple to avoid increasing the amount of storage, but as a result they'll have to keep the iPod Classic for one more year. Next year expect a 128GB touch to replace the Classic.

At that point my dream device might be able to be introduced. iNotePad with 5-6 inch iPhone shaped 2:3 ratio screen, two cameras, WiFi and 3G. The larger display and 3G capabilities would make it vastly more useful than the touch while still being small enough to fit in a pocket.
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I think the touch will continue to use the current display. After all the 8GB 3GS is still in production with that display.

Ridiculous. Apple will certainly want current iPod Touch users to upgrade. There's no way I'll upgrade my 32GB Touch unless there's a retina display. Even with the A4, a camera, whatever. No retina display, no upgrade. I think a lot of other latest generation Touch users would agree with me.
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

Yeah, but if you want to support 3GS, 4 AND iPad it starts to get complicated...

Sure, if you measure complicated in degrees of laziness and priority.
post #31 of 63
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Nah, this is a mockup/fake from last year.

The iPod touch has always had the same display, CPU, graphics chip and overall style based on the iPhone.

This rumor is B.S.

Correct. What distinguishes the two systems mainly is the Phone functionality.
post #32 of 63
I'd guess that's a mic, and not a flash.
post #33 of 63
Apart from all the points already posted, there's no black plastic panel on the back for a wifi aerial, like the current touch, and like the leaked photo of an iPod touch with a camera a few months ago.



Although, if the polished back photo above is the real thing, I am surprised they're going with that, I thought they might have made it a unibody aluminium back, like a mini iPad (but with a wifi aerial panel )
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Apart from all the points already posted, there's no black plastic panel on the back for a wifi aerial, like the current touch, and like the leaked photo of an iPod touch with a camera a few months ago.

Although, if the polished back photo above is the real thing, I am surprised they're going with that, I thought they might have made it a unibody aluminium back, like a mini iPad (but with a wifi aerial panel )

That's not a polished back. It's white plastic, as far as I can tell. It's an iPhone back and an iPod front. That's all.
post #35 of 63
There's no iOS4 on the picture, how could this possibly be real..
post #36 of 63
I doubt this is real. I suspect there will be one camera and no retina display due to manufacturing limits and cost. Prediction: This next touch upgrade will be evolutionary not revolutionary, but we will soon see either way.

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post #37 of 63
Ugh, so fake...

Next iPod Touch will have to be awesome like the iPhone4!
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Ugh, so fake...

Next iPod Touch will have to be awesome like the iPhone4!

I'm hoping for FaceTime and to be 5mm thick :/
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One thing to take note is the lack of the iTunes icon...

It is in the dock - different from what we are used to seeing but it is there.
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