Originally Posted by CraigAppleW ClicktoFlashers are no different than software pirates: Entitled, sophmoric, selfish, and shortsighted.
See, now you are insulting pirates. If they are going to steal something, they would at least steal something that works and doesn't lock up your browser.
I hate flash because 99% of the time my browser locks up, it's flash! If I kill flash in activity monitor, my computer leaps back to life - until some page re-loads flash again
I'd be more interested in what Adobe had to claim about flash if it didn't absolutely suck on Mac OSX vs Windows!
This is the crux of Apple's position - not that we hate Adobe, or even we hate flash. It's that they don't want Adobe to not focus on flash for the iOS when the next shiny thing comes along (ooh! Android!) and let the iOS languish with a sucky end user experience that they have no way to fix.
And I am with them! If Adobe seemed as interesting in making the Mac OS X and heck, Linux too, versions of Flash as optimized as Windows there would be less of a concern. I am concerned (and so is Apple) because Adobe has a long history of 2nd rate support for all but their chosen platform - and the difference in performance of their chosen platform and everyone else is a WIDE gap. And as others in the thread have pointed out, look at what is happening with WebOS and BlackBerry vs. Android for mobile flash. Exactly what Apple was worried about and cited as the chief reason for excluding flash is happening. Gee wiz, who would have thunk it?
Adobe has no one to blame but themselves. So far Apple has been the only one willing or able to call Adobe on their uneven treatment of platforms and say "enough is enough - were not interested!" Also Jobs has stated that if Adobe ever did get their act together with flash they aren't opposed to it. You would think that Adobe would be throwing themselves at proving Jobs wrong - if not with the iOS, than with Android, Blackberry, WebOS - something! Anything!
So Adobe, where's the beef? Who's the real villain here?